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SHEMOT

Fish for Free in Egypt -- But Not in the Desert

Fish for Free in Egypt -- But Not in the Desert

Part of Shemot · 20:51

Aggada on the complaint about losing free fish from Egypt in exchange for the manna, the five flavors never tasted in it, and a side note on the origins of the kesubah.

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Disagreement on the pasuk โ€œื•ื ื—ืฉ ืขืคืจ ืœื—ืžื•โ€

here we are in the middle of ื“ืจืฉื 'ื™ื ื’, the Gemara is ื“ืจืฉื 'ื™ื ื’ ืคืกื•ืงื™ื. We ื“ืจืฉื 'ื“ this pasuk, that Now we're ื“ืจืฉื 'ื™ื ื’ another pasuk in the middle of ืกืดื”. The pasuk says: ืดื•ื ื—ืฉ ืขืคืจ ืœื—ืžื•ืด. A snake, his bread is sand, sand. Rav Ami veRav Asi, these are all pesukim that there's a ืžื—ืœื•ืงืช ืคืฉื˜ between Rav Ami veRav Asi. ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says, what the pasuk means to say: ืืคื™ืœื• ืื•ื›ืœ ื›ืœ ืžืขื“ื ื™ ืขื•ืœื, he could eat the most tastiest food, ื˜ื•ืขื ื‘ื”ื ื˜ืขื ืขืคืจ, they all taste like sand, they all taste the same. ื•ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says, ืืคื™ืœื• ืื•ื›ืœ ื›ืœ ืžืขื“ื ื™ ืขื•ืœื, the other way, even if he eats the tastiest food, ืื™ืŸ ื“ืขืชื• ืžื™ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืขื“ ืฉื™ืื›ืœ ืขืคืจ. He only feels good, he eats sand, sand is the best thing, he could eat the best, nothing. That's the kelalah the Eibershter gave him. ืชื ื™ื, it says in a ื‘ืจื™ื™ืชื, ืืžืจ ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™, ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™ said: ื‘ื•ื ื•ืจืื”, come and see, ืฉืœื ื›ืžื™ื“ืช ื”ืงื“ื•ืฉ ื‘ืจื•ืš ื”ื•ื ืžื™ื“ืช ื‘ืฉืจ ื•ื“ื. The ways of a human being is not like the way of Hashem. So we'll see it in a second. So he says, look, the Eibershter is not like a person. ืžื™ื“ืช ื‘ืฉืจ ื•ื“ื ืžืงื ื™ื˜ ื—ื‘ื™ืจื•, the midah by a person is, if a person gets you angry, ื™ื•ืจื“ ืขืžื• ืœื—ื™ื™ื•, you'll do everything till he goes into the grave, so to speak, to get him always make only tzarot to him, you'll try to take revenge, everything. ื”ืงื“ื•ืฉ ื‘ืจื•ืš ื”ื•ื ืื™ื ื• ื›ืŸ, ื”ืฉื is not like that.

Eibershterโ€™s curse versus human revenge

ืงื™ืœืœ ืืช ื”ื ื—ืฉ, yeah, he gave him a curse, and what is the curse he gave him? That he should eat sand. You know, what that's a maalah. ืขื•ืœื” ืœื’ื’ ืžื–ื•ื ื•ืชื™ื• ืขืžื•, he goes up to the roof, he has food there; ื™ื•ืจื“ ืœืงืจืงืข, goes down to the ground, ืžื–ื•ื ื•ืชื™ื• ืขืžื•, he has food. So, lichorah the Eibershter wanted to curse him, he should have cursed him all the way, he should have hard have a hard time. In the curse ligt a gute zach. ืงื™ืœืœ ืืช ื›ื ืขืŸ, cursed Canaan, what did he make him, into a eved, it's a curse. ืื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืจื‘ื• ืื•ื›ืœ, he always has food. Cause his master always has food, so his master gives him what he what he has. ืฉื•ืชื” ืžื” ืฉืจื‘ื• ืฉื•ืชื”, he drinks what his master drinks, so he's food is always available. ืงื™ืœืœ ืืช ื”ืืฉื”, he cursed the woman. ื”ื›ืœ ืจืฆื™ืŸ ืื—ืจื™ื”, look, everyone is running after her. ืงื™ืœืœ ืืช ื”ืื“ืžื”, cursed the ground, earth. ื”ื›ืœ ื ื™ื–ื•ื ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ืžื ื”, everyone gets all the food you get is from the ground. So, the Eibershter is not completely, now even if he curses, he's not like a person, a curse and goes all the way to the end, he leaves some good things. Yeah, but it's the koach of the Eibershter. Right. The pasuk

Yidden complaint: fish vs manna in the desert

says that the Yidden complained in the midbar: ืดื–ื›ืจื ื• ืืช ื”ื“ื’ื” ืืฉืจ ื ืื›ืœ ื‘ืžืฆืจื™ื ื—ื ืืด, we remember the fish, we complain against the mann, we only have ืžืŸ, ืดื‘ืœืชื™ ืืœ ื”ืžืŸ ืขื™ื ื™ื ื•ืด, only mann, we remember the fish that we ate in Mitzrayim for free. So, Rav uShmuel, there's an argument between Rav uShmuel in peshat. ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says dagim. It takeh means fish. They were complaining that they had fish, and here they didn't have fish. ื•ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says ืขืจื™ื•ืช. It doesn't mean they're complaining against the not having fish, the fact that they were forbidden, certain marriages, certain relations were forbidden. How does that have to do with fish? Because by fish, ืดื•ื™ื“ื’ื• ืœืจื•ื‘ ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ืืจืฅืด, ื•ื™ื“ื’ื• means to multiply, so it has to do with the inyan of relations, so they complained about that. The Gemara explains both peshatim. ืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื’ื™ื, the one that says it means pashut fish, ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘ it says ืดื ืื›ืœืด, it says we remember the fish that we ate in Mitzrayim. If it means the other thing, what kind of food is, it's not food. ืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ืขืจื™ื•ืช, the one that says ืขืจื™ื•ืช, is the lashon is ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘ it says ืดื—ื ืืด. It says for free. Now, fish, or food, they got for free in Mitzrayim? How hard did they have to work and they got things for free? They didn't get it for free. So the word chinam shows more something else that they didn't have to pay for, and what is that, that's ืขืจื™ื•ืช. But the fish doesn't fit to the word chinam. On the other hand, the word ื ืื›ืœ, eating, fits more to fish than to ืขืจื™ื•ืช. Then the Gemara continues: ื•ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ืขืจื™ื•ืช, ื”ื›ืชื™ื‘ ื ืื›ืœ? So now let's understand, the one that says it means ืขืจื™ื•ืช, how does he answer the peshat that it says for eating? The Gemara says, ืœื™ืฉื ื ืžืขืœื™ื ื ืงื˜. It's a special lashon, a lashon nekiyah, Torah doesn't want to speak in, but it uses that lashon, there's a lashon for ืขืจื™ื•ืช or for having relations, sometimes the Torah refers to it as ืื›ื™ืœื”. ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘ it says: ืดื›ืŸ ื“ืจืš ืืฉื” ืžื ืืคืช ืื›ืœื” ื•ืžื—ืชื” ืคื™ื” ื•ืืžืจื” ืœื ืคืขืœืชื™ ืื•ืŸืด. That's the derech of a woman who's committed adultery, she eats and wipes her mouth and she says, I didn't do anything wrong. This is only a mashal, it doesn't mean she eats and she wipes her mouth, it means something else. But we don't, ah? Mishlei. Mishlei, there's a mareh makom here. So this is a mashal, so sometimes the Torah uses the lashon of a mashal. So m'meila it says ืืฉืจ ื ืื›ืœ, we ate the fish, doesn't mean the fish, according to this pshat, doesn't mean I ate, ืขืจื™ื•ืช, and we had the the the relations. Then the Gemara goes the other way: ื‘ืฉืœืžื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ืขืจื™ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘ ื—ื ื. M'meila, if it's ืขืจื™ื•ืช, that's what it says ื—ื ื, we ate for free because for ืขืจื™ื•ืช, they didn't have to pay. ืืœื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื’ื™ื, ืžืื™ ื—ื ื? But they had fish, what kind of ื—ื ื is it? They ate it for free? So the Gemara answers, yeah. Punkt fish they used to get for free. ื“ื”ื•ื• ืžืฉื›ื—ื™ ื•ืžื™ื™ืชื™ ืžื”ืคืงืจ, they would find fish and bring it from hefker. ื“ืืžืจ ืžืจ, like we learned, it says: ื›ืฉื™ืฉืจืืœ ืฉื•ืื‘ื™ืŸ ืžื™ื, when the Yidden were drawing water in ืžืฆืจื™ื, ื”ื™ื” ื”ืงื“ื•ืฉ ื‘ืจื•ืš ื”ื•ื ืžื–ืžืŸ ืœื”ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืžื™ื ื“ื’ื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื. Takeh dem, der Eibershter made a nes that they would get a lot of fish. So the fish takeh they had for free. That's the only river they had was the Nilos that they had fish from. The only river in Mitzrayim was... From the river, from the river. Yeah. No, the nes that everyone got always. Yeah. And then the Gemara says: ื‘ืฉืœืžื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื’ื™ื, ืžื™ืœื if you hold that they ate fish, ืื‘ืœ ืขืจื™ื•ืช ืœื ืคืจื™ืฆื•, but you say they remembered the fish, they didn't complain that we were able to do all kinds of ืขืจื™ื•ืช and now we're complaining that now we can't. Why? Because they never were into ืขืจื™ื•ืช. ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘, if they're not into ืขืจื™ื•ืช, that's the pasuk. It says ื’ืŸ ื ืขื•ืœ ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื›ืœื”, that ืื—ื•ืชื™ ื›ืœื”, my sister, is closed. What is closed? They're closed to ืขืจื™ื•ืช. ืืœื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ืขืจื™ื•ืช, but if you say it's ืขืจื™ื•ืช... Well, it's a machloket. But if you hold it means that they're remembering the ืขืจื™ื•ืช, ืžืื™ ืžืขื™ืŸ ื—ืชื•ื? What does the pasuk mean? The pasuk is praising them that they were, when the Yidden were in Mitzrayim, they were ืžืขื™ืŸ ื—ืชื•ื. Their ืžืขื™ืŸ, which their ืžืขื™ืŸ refers to that ืขื ื™ืŸ, so was ื—ืชื•ื, was sealed, closed. If you say that they did ืขืจื™ื•ืช and they were complaining now because they liked the ืขืจื™ื•ืช? So the Gemara answers: ื”ื ืš ื“ืืกื™ืจื™ืŸ ืœื ืคืจื™ืฆื•. The ones that they were asur. In other words, they, there was two things: there's something that's asur for goyim also, for ื‘ื ื™ ื ื—. And then there are the new ืขืจื™ื•ืช that Yidden are not allowed. The ืขืจื™ื•ืช of goyim are very few. That's what it means. They were into ืขืจื™ื•ืช that later on became asur, but they did it before. A lot of things that a Yid is not allowed to marry, a ื‘ืŸ ื ื— is allowed. So that they were into before. But they were still closed from those that were forbidden for them. Which were what? ืœืžืฉืœ, a daughter is mutar to a goy. That's why the famous kashya by, by, like, what's, the Ramban asks: what's the big problem, a goy is allowed to marry his daughter, if he is with his daughter? The answer is it's not nice, it's this, whatever. So they're very, there's six, they're only, yeah, daughter, a daughter. A goy, yeah. So they're only six ืขืจื™ื•ืช, very few. ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ is the main one, and then you have a ื–ื›ืจ, and an animal, and then what do you have? A mother. There's six, which are... So we just learned it not long ago. What about a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”? A sister. What about a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”? A sister or a... a ื’ื•ื™ื”, or an aunt, or a grandmother. I forgot already, but there's six, only six ืขืจื™ื•ืช. So that's what the Gemara, the ืคืกื•ืง means. That those that were asur they kept, ืžืขื™ืŸ ื—ืชื•ื, but the rest they didn't. That's a locked garden because of an ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ and a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”? Not a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”, why a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”? What could do a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”? No, it's not a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”. It was talking about ืขืจื™ื•ืช, the relatives which are asur, besides ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ. ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ is asur to a ื’ื•ื™ also. Then the Gemara asks: ื‘ืฉืœืžื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ืขืจื™ื•ืช, ืžื™ืœื the one that says they're complaining about the ืขืจื™ื•ืช, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘, that fits what the, what the ืคืกื•ืง says there: ื•ื™ืฉืžืข ืžืฉื” ืืช ื”ืขื ื‘ื›ื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ื•, that when ื™ื™ื“ืŸ complained, Moshe heard the ื™ื™ื“ืŸ crying to the families. What does it mean families? ืขืœ ืขืกืงื™ ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช ืฉื ืืกืจื• ืœื”ื, ืจืฉืดื™ brings down. It means they were crying about the families, now there's new family members that became ืืกื•ืจ to them! They were crying. And the ืคืกื•ืง makes sense. ืืœื ืœืžืืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื’ื™ื, but if you hold all that happened was fish, ืžืื™ ื‘ื›ื” ืœืžืฉืคื—ืชื™ื•? What does it mean they were crying about the ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช? There's nothing to the ืžืฉืคื—ื•ืช! So he answers: ื”ื ื•ื”ื ื”ื•ื™, he says the ืคืกื•ืง ื“ื’ื™ื means takeh ื“ื’ื™ื. ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ they had cried about the ืขืจื™ื•ืช also! They had both problems. And this ืคืกื•ืง refers to the ืขืจื™ื•ืช that they complained about. Did they have, they were crying that they had to divorce now or they had to... No, not to divorce, but they couldn't from now on take, certain relatives they couldn't take, they couldn't marry. And the ones that were there prior, I guess they can still stay. They could stay. Like Moshe himself! Moshe married a ืžื“ื™ื ื™ืช, and he was allowed to stay with her. He technically didn't stay with her for 40 years. Well, the, okay, Rashi says ื’ื™ืจืฉื”, he divorced her, but he was allowed. Because it was ืขืœ ื“ืจืš like it says, ืขืœ ื“ืจืš like it says in the Gemara in Yevamos, if a Kohen Gadol gives Kiddushin to an almanah, he wasn't a Kohen Gadol yet, he gave Kiddushin to an almanah, and then he was ื ืชืžื ื”, he became a Kohen Gadol, so he's allowed to continue, he's allowed to give her nissuin, because he took her ื‘ื”ื™ืชืจ. So even though now the matzav is that it's assur, but he's allowed to. Same thing here, what the Yidden took before Matan Torah, they were allowed to continue. She is considered a giyores? Tzipporah? Huh? All the Yidden were gerim! All the Yidden were gerim, so she went through gerut with everyone else, a ger too. She wasn't, a Midyanit can marry, and from Midyan is even a giyores, isn't a giyores? A goy avadei nisht. Then they said they remembered the Huh? Just a second. Just to understand Rashi's peshat, the dag had to do with the mon, they complained about, they got the Yeah, so it's different ืคืฉื˜'ืก. If they complain If the peshat is they complained about the fish, it was the mon. If they complained about the mishpacha, it has nothing to do with the mon. They said they remembered the ืงื™ืฉื•ืื™ื, ื•ืื‘ื˜ื™ื—ื™ื, ื•ืืช ื”ื—ืฆื™ืจ, ื•ืืช ื”ื‘ืฆืœื™ื, ื•ืืช ื”ืฉื•ืžื™ื. What are they? Kishuim is melons, avatiach Watermelon. Watermelon. Chatzir is leeks, onions, betzalim, right? Shumim is is garlic. These are the things that they remembered, that they were complaining about. Why? So

Rav Ami & Rav Asi on the nature of the complaint

Rav Ami and Rav Asi argued what the complaint was. ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says, ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื ื›ื•ืœื ื˜ืขืžื• ื‘ืžืŸ. They felt any taste of any food that a person could want, if you wanted it, you could feel it in the mann. ืžืŸ, ื˜ืขื, ื•ื”ื˜ืขื. Aval these ื—ืžืฉืช ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื ืœื ื˜ืขืžื• ื˜ืขืžื. These five they couldn't. And the reason Rashi says is because these are things which are not good for a pregnant woman and for a nursing woman. Is the taste that bad? Huh? What if the taste makes them nauseous? So, ื•ื•ื™ื™ืก ืื™ืš, is, yeah, is according to this, even the taste not that. Not only is not this, that's this pshat. But ื—ื“ ืืžืจ, one says a different pshat: ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื ื›ื•ืœื ื˜ืขืžื• ื˜ืขืžื ื‘ืžืŸ ืžืžืฉืŸ. All the things they felt the taste, but everything else they felt the taste and the texture. And these ื—ืžืฉืช ื”ืžื™ื ื™ื, ื˜ืขื ื˜ืขืžื ื•ืœื ืžืžืฉืŸ, the texture wasn't there, it wasn't really like it. So according to this pshat, what's bad for a nursing woman is is the thing itself, not just the taste. The taste they felt. But that's a machloket what was their complaint about. Then the pasuk goes vayter, it says that the Yidden are complaining on the mann, and the Eibershter said, \"You're complaining, ื•ื”ื•ื ื›ื–ืจืข ื’ื“ ืœื‘ืŸ, it's like the seed of a gad, white.\" Now,

The five species not tasted in manna

what's a gad? ื’ื“ is a certain is a is a gidul, is a coriander, it means zera, coriander seed. Now, coriander seed is not white. It's not white. Bleached? Huh? Bleached. No, no. So, explains, ืืžืจ Rav Asi, said Rav Asi, they're two separate things. It's not like a white seed of coriander, of of of gad, they're two inyanim. It was ืขื’ื•ืœ ื›ื’ื™ื“ื, it was round like the seed of the of the ื’ื“, and ืœื‘ืŸ ื›ืžืจื’ืœื™ืช, it was white like a like a like a pearl. So, it was both two separate inyanim, not like we learn pshat pshat, like a ื–ืจืข ืœื‘ืŸ, ื–ืจืข ื’ื“ ืœื‘ืŸ. It was two separate inyanim. Now, what's so special about these two things? The Torah says, oh, the mann was so gevaldig, it was round. And if it'd be square, who could care? And if it's triangle, what the maalah is? And also the color was lavan. Nu, if it'd be green, who cares if it's green? So, definitely must be like that: round is a circle is in olam hazeh the only symbol for bli gevul, because there's no end. You can go on and on and on and on and on, no stop, there's no end. This mann, even coming lematah, it was it was ืจื•ื—ื ื™ื•ืชื“ื™ืงืข ืขื ื™ื ื™ื. So even when it came lematah, when the Yidden ate it as physical food, it remained with the quality of ruchniyut. So therefore, even in the ื’ืฉืžื™ื•ืชื“ื™ืงืข sense, it expressed the inyan of ein sof, of bli gvul. And white is also a color that's a ื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืขืฆืžื™. All colors are specific. White is a ื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืขืฆืžื™, that's all that's ืœืžืขืœื” from the ื”ื’ื‘ืœื•ืช of of colors. That's all to show, they're complaining on the man, but you know what the man is? The man is such a holy thing that even ืœืžื˜ื” it remained with the quality of ืœืžืขืœื”, of of bli gvul. Where do we see it? It's round and white. ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ื™ Gemara ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืขืจ, ืชื ื• ืจื‘ื ืŸ, ืจื‘ื ืŸ learn, ื’ื“ ื“ื•ืžื” ืœื–ืจืข ืคืฉืชืŸ ื‘ื’ื‘ืขื•ืœื™ืŸ. This ื’ื“, this the seed is like the seed of flax when it's still in the stalks. ื•ื—ื›ืžื™ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื, why is it called ื’ื“? ื’ื“ ื“ื•ืžื” ืœื“ื‘ืจื™ ืื’ื“ื”. It's like ื“ื‘ืจื™ ืื’ื“ื”, what we're learning now. Learning ืื’ื“ืชื. What's ืื’ื“ื”? ื”ืžื•ืฉื›ื™ืŸ ืœื™ื‘ื• ืฉืœ ืื“ื. ืื’ื“ื” pulls the heart of a person. You learn, eppes, a shtikel tipe Gemara, tipe Tosafot, nu. People who have a geshmak in learning, it's fine, but it doesn't pull stam the heart of a person. ืื’ื“ืชื, that's what it is. Tales? Huh? Like stories, yeah, yeah. Some people call it, you're not allowed to use the word, but someone called it legend. Legends the English translation of one of the ืื’ื“ืชื of Ein Yaakov is \"Legends of the Talmud\". Not legends. The she'elah is if everything means kefshuto or everything has remezim. See, everything in halacha is kefshuto. In ืื’ื“ืชื, some things are not, so many, most things are, many things are. Okay. Vayter. ืชื ื™ื ืื™ื“ืš, We learn another ื‘ืจื™ื™ืชื.

Seed analogy and the role of ืื’ื“ืชื

ื’ื“, comes from the word magid. It would tell. ืฉื”ื™ื” ืžื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ. The man told the ื™ื™ื“ืŸ ืื ื‘ืŸ ืชืฉืข ืœืจืืฉื•ืŸ, ืื ื‘ืŸ ื–' ืœืื—ืจื•ืŸ. But a child who is a safek, let's say a man divorced his wife or died, and then she remarried right away, and she had a child after seven months. Now you don't know if it's the child from the first husband or the second husband. How would you know? There's no way to find out. Maybe nowadays you do a DNA test, what did they do then? So the DNA test was the man. Why? Pashut. The man, no matter how much a person collected, he came out with an omer for every member of the family. So if the first husband got the omer extra, we know that that guy is his son. If the second husband got the omer extra, then we knew it was the son of the second one. So the man told over who they are. Why does a child need an omer as much as an adult? Huh? Why does a child need an omer as much as an adult? Because this omer lasted for a whole day, which was not so much, so it was blessed in the stomach. So by a child, he needed, in other words, they finished it through the day, because even derech nes, even the collection was derech nes, so if a child didn't eat, so he finished it and it was enough for him. An adult needed more, so this became more. But they didn't leave it over. So they didn't need the DNA test, they had ruach hakodesh. Huh? It's not a ruach hakodesh, it was a gashmiyut, it was showed. And why ืœื‘ืŸ? ืœื‘ืŸ means ืฉืžืœื‘ื™ืŸ ืขื•ื ื•ืชื™ื”ื ืฉืœ ื™ืฉืจืืœ, it whitens the aveirot of the Yidden. So was this brought a kaparah for the aveirot. Tanya, we learn a ื‘ืจื™ื™ืชื, ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™ ืื•ืžืจ, ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™ says: ื›ืฉื ืฉื”ื ื‘ื™ื ืžื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ, just like the ื ื‘ื™ื would tell the ื™ื™ื“ืŸ ืžื” ืฉื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ื•ืžื” ืฉื‘ืกื“ืงื™ื, things that are hidden, that no one knows, but the ื ื‘ื™ื was able to tell, ื›ืš ื”ืžืŸ ืžื’ื™ื“ ืœื”ื ืœื™ืฉืจืืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื ื•ืžื” ืฉื‘ืกื“ืงื™ื. The ืžืŸ would tell the ื™ื™ื“ืŸ what the hidden things. ื›ื™ืฆื“? So gives an example: ืฉื ื™ื ืฉื‘ืื• ืœืคื ื™ ืžืฉื” ืœื“ื™ืŸ, two people came at a ื“ื™ืŸ ืชื•ืจื” to ืžืฉื”. ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืขื‘ื“ื™ ื’ื ื‘ืช, this ืขื‘ื“ is mine, you stole it. ื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืžื›ืจืช ืžื›ืจืช ืœื™, you know, you sold him to me, it's mine. ืืžืจ ืœื”ื ืžืฉื”, so ืžืฉื” said, ื“ื™ื ื• ืœื‘ืงืจ ืžืฉืคื˜, wait for tomorrow, we'll see. What is tomorrow? ืœืžื—ืจ, the next day, ืื ื ืžืฆื ืขื•ืžืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช, ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืจื‘ื• ืจืืฉื•ืŸ, if the extra ืขื•ืžืจ was in the house of the first master, ื‘ื™ื“ื•ืข ืฉื–ื” ื’ื ื‘ื•, we know that he's stolen. ื ืžืฆื ืขื•ืžืจ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืจื‘ื• ืฉื ื™, if the extra ืขื•ืžืจ was in the second one, ื‘ื™ื“ื•ืข ืฉื–ื” ืžื›ืจื• ืœื•, that's why he sold it. ื•ื›ืŸ ืื™ืฉ ื•ืืฉื” ืฉื‘ืื• ืœืคื ื™ ืžืฉื” ืœื“ื™ืŸ, a man and a woman came, a husband and a wife came to a din Torah. ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ ื”ื™ื ืกืจื—ื” ืขืœื™, he says she did something wrong about me, and therefore I want to divorce her, and I don't want to give her the kesubah. That's the klal: if a woman, if the din is that a woman has to get divorced, if it's her fault why, then she loses the kesubah. If it's his fault, he has to give. So he says, she says he says ื”ื™ื ืกืจื—ื” ืขืœื™, she did, I don't want to give the kesubah. Was kesubah an enactment later by the Rabbanan? Well, depends according to who. In the kesubah you're right, every in the kesubah, if you remember the lashon of the kesubah, that the guy in the kesubah it says that I'm going to give you this and this amount ื“ื—ื–ื™ ืœื™ื›ื™ ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืžืŸ ื”ืชื•ืจื”. So it says in the kesubah that you're chayav to pay the ื›ืชื•ื‘ื” ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. What do we learn that? It says, that's the nusach of the kesubah. Yeah. And the Gemara says that the whole inyan of kesubah was established by the ื—ื›ืžื™ื ืฉืœื ืชื”ื ืงืœื” ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื• ืœื”ื•ืฆื™ืื”, he shouldn't be able to divorce his wife. Tosafot ืงืฉื™ื. The ืกืคืจื“ื™ื ื˜ืืงืข don't write the word ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื in the kesubah. Doesn't say, ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ื ื ืœื™, what I have to give you. So, but by us, we write by a ื‘ืชื•ืœื” ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, by a divorcee this we write ืžื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, but a ื‘ืชื•ืœื” is ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, Tosafot asks. So obviously we pasken like the shita that it's ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel according to. In the kesubah we pasken like that, otherwise we don't. ืžื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ or they don't write nothing? They don't write anything. Yeah. Because there's no reason. By us, you're writing ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื because there's a chiluk: ืืžืืœ is ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, ืืžืืœ is ืžื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. If it's always ืžื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, it's a big main she'eilah, how do you write mid'oraita? So there's all kinds of teirutzim on it.

Kesubah origins and legal discussions

The reason the man is by by the house of either the husband or the boy, one of them, the reason because when they pick it, really they pick whatever they they want to pick, when they get home Right, there is always came out enough for every member of the family, whether you picked a little or you picked a lot. Whatever you took, you put it at home You put it at home, and it turned out, you checked how much you have, for all the members of the family. Aha. So this would show, bichlal this would show if a woman chas veshalom was mezaneh, and the child was not her husband's, this was a problem. I mean, yeah, the man would show that really if she belongs to How would the man show that? You didn't find the man? No, no, they came and collected. They collected it and they brought it home, they put it away. No matter, if they have five members in the family, you would have five omer's. If you have six members, you'd have six omer's. So if this is not a member of his family, if really one child was born because she was mezaneh Son of a different man, so he's the child of that guy. Would find only four omer. Would find four. Yeah, and that guy would find six. You'd have to go to the beit din right away because it would rot, and it's, and it's only The next day would be gone. Oh, you'd figure it out.

Handling Cases When the Mother Is Away From Home

What happens if they're away from home? Huh? If she if she's away from home, she's staying somewhere else or Where somewhere else? It was in a ืžื“ื‘ืจ. Where did they go? I guess, or if they have I thought you said it has to be at home. Yeah, your home or they knew where she went. I mean it doesn't matter. Well, how come it's not done? The one about to say ืคืจืฉืช ื”ืžืŸ, because in the Alter Rebbe's Siddur he didn't put it in. I mean, but it's not a Do you know the Satmar Rebbe's vort? What? He says, saying ืคืจืฉืช ื”ืžืŸ is a segulah for parnasah, but it's only good till 8:00 in the morning. From 8:00 you've got to work. He says, from 8:00 in the morning it's no segulah anymore.

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