The Menorah, the Arch of Titus, and the Chabad Custom
The Menorah, the Arch of Titus, and the Chabad Custom
Part of Chanukah
A talk continuing the discussion of the Temple Menorah's true shape, the materials and cost of a kosher Chanukah menorah, why Chabad doesn't place the menorah in a window, and why the Roman Arch of Titus can't be trusted as an accurate depiction.
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versions they make, he made the emblem straight, etc. On these words, what the Rebbe said that comes out that it was straight and 讗讬谉 讞讜诇拽 讘讚讘专, there is nobody arguing, so here we have a 讛注专讛, 讛注专讛 43. 讛注专讛 43 the Rebbe says like this: he brings that seemingly there is another opinion, another opinion that holds that it was round. 讘讝讬转 专注谞谉, the 住驻专 讝讬转 专注谞谉, the 讘注诇, he give a, 讘住驻专, 专讬砖 驻专砖转 讘讛注诇讜转讱 诪驻讜专砖, in the 讝讬转 专注谞谉 it says clearly, 诪讛 砖讻转讜讘 讘住驻专讬 讝讜讟讗 讜讛讜讘讗 讘讬诇拽讜讟 砖诪注讜谞讬, says in 住驻专讬, and it said, brought down in the 讬诇拽讜讟 砖诪注讜谞讬 it says, 专讬砖 驻专砖转 讘讛注诇讜转讱 砖讛诐 讞讜讝专讬谉 讞诇讬诇讛 讻诪讬谉 注讟专讛, that they went around like a crown. So the, the 诪讚专砖 says clearly that they went like a crown, round. And he says from that comes out 砖讛拽谞讬诐 讘注爪诪谉 讛讬讜 注讙讜诇 讻诪讬谉 注讟专讛, that the 拽谞讬诐, the branches, were round, like a crown is round, so this is also was round. So this was like a crown. 讗讘诇 诪住讬讬诐 砖驻讬专讜砖 讝讛 讚讞讜拽, but he himself says that this 驻砖讟 is a 讚讞讜拽, it is not the real 驻砖讟. What is the real 驻砖讟 there when it says it was like a, like a crown? 讜砖诐 诇驻谞讬 讝讛, there it says like this, a different 驻砖讟: 讛诇砖讜谉 诪砖诪注 讚住讘讬专讗 诇讬讛 砖讛拽谞讛 讛讗诪爪注讬 讛讬讛 讘讗诪爪注, it is 诪砖诪注 from that 诇砖讜谉 that it was like a crown, that the middle branch was in the middle, 讜砖砖讛 拽谞讬诐 诪拽讬驻讬谉 讗讜转讜 住讘讬讘 讻诪讬谉 注讟专讛, and the six branches were around like a crown. Not, in other words, there is no discussion there whether it went up this way straight or it went this way round. This is a different discussion. We know that the
诪谞讜专讛 was flat. The whole 诪谞讜专讛 was, there was one in the middle sticking out and it was flat. This is an opinion that the branch was in the middle and all around were the six branches, like a 砖讘转, a 砖讘转 诇讬讬讻讟注专. A 砖讘转 诇讬讬讻讟注专, you have a 砖讘转 诇讬讬讻讟注专, you have the middle one and then you have branches coming out from all sides. That is what it means, and that is a different opinion. 讗诐 讻谉 讛专讬 讝讛 驻讬专讜砖 砖诇讬砖讬, that is a third opinion. That is not the opinion whether it was straight up or around, that is another opinion, and that is 讘讻诇诇 not the way we accept it. And he brings from 转讜专讛 砖诇诪讛, 诪讬诇讜讗讬诐, there he talks about this that what? That there is another opinion, yeah, that is something else. But no one brings that opinion that the 诪谞讜专讛 was not flat, but circular. And now he says, let us learn the 砖讜诇讬 讛讙诇讬讜谉, on the bottom, the star goes to the bottom, 讜砖诐, there he brings, 砖讝讜 讛讬讗 讙诐 讻讜讜谞转 讛讗讘谉 注讝专讗. This is what the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 means in 驻专砖转 转爪讜讛, and in 驻讬专讜砖 讛拽爪专 in 驻专砖转 转专讜诪讛, 讗砖专 砖砖转 讛谞专讜转 讛讬讜 讻讞爪讬 注讬讙讜诇. The 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 says that the six candles were like a half of a circle, and some people think 驻砖讟 in the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 that it means that it was round like a half a circle instead of straight. And that is what he brings, I mentioned yesterday, that is what 讗专讬讛 拽驻诇谉 in his, in his Living Torah brings, that the 砖讬讟讛 of the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 is that it was round, not like the 专诪讘状诐, not like 专砖状讬. That is not the 驻砖讟. When the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 said that it was like a half a circle, he means this way, not this way, this way around! 讛讬讬谞讜 砖讛拽谞讬诐 讛拽讬驻讜 拽谞讛 讗诪爪注讬 讻诪讬谉 注讟专讛, that the branches surrounded the middle one like a crown. The only problem is, huh? 讗讘诇 转诪讜讛, the Rebbe says, but it is not clear, 讻讬 讘住驻专讬 讝讜讟讗 住转诐, 住转诐 there it says in 住驻专讬 讝讜讟讗, 讞讜讝专讬谉 讞诇讬诇讛 讻诪讬谉 注讟专讛, it goes around, is 诪砖诪注 that it goes like a circle all around, 砖诪砖诪注讜 诪拽讬驻讬谉 讗讜转讜 住讘讬讘 诪讻诇 讛爪讚讚讬诐, there it is 诪砖诪注 that it was from all sides, like a 诇讬讬讻讟注专. A 诇讬讬讻讟注专 is that it have one in the middle and then you have all around, and that is what is 诪砖诪注 in 住驻专讬 讝讜讟讗. But 诇讗 讻讞爪讬 注讬讙讜诇, not like a half a circle. So what does the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 mean like a half a circle? So the Rebbe says, 讜讛讜讗 讛讻讜讜谞讛 砖讛拽讬驻讜 专拽 诪诇驻谞讬诐, could be it was a half a circle. Yeah, that there was a middle one and only on, in the front did it go around, and in the back it was straight. This means that you have one thing, and then coming out, there is one over here, one over here, one over here, six, this way. And it, in other words, you could take it and put it flat to the wall, and from that would come out, and sometimes you see things, chandeliers hanging, not from the ceiling, but from a wall, coming out of a wall. How is it? It goes this way, like a half a circle, and the back is flat. half, and here it's like a half a circle. That's what he learned, 讻讚讜讙诪转 讞爪讬 讙讜专谉 注讙讜诇讛 讘住谞讛讚专讬谉. But we find the 诇砖讜谉 in 住谞讛讚专讬谉, and it says, how did the 住谞讛讚专讬谉 sit? So the 讙诪专讗 says that the 住谞讛讚专讬谉 sat like a 讞爪讬 讙讜专谉 注讙讜诇讛, in a half a circle. The reason was because the head of the 住谞讛讚专讬谉 that sat in the middle should be able to see everybody. So if you have lines one after another, you can't see the back. So they all sat like this. So it was a wide, wide half a circle, but it was a half a circle. And that's how this was. 讜讻诪讚讜诪讛, the 专讘讬 says, I think, 砖讬砖谞诐 注讟专讜转 讛诪拽讬驻讜转 讗转 讛专讗砖 专拽 诪诇驻谞讬诐. You have certain crowns that only surround the head from the front, not from the back. Usually we except we think of a crown, you put on a round crown, you put on the head. But the 专讘讬 says he thinks there are some crowns that you just put on a half a crown, and it just fits to the head. So therefore when it says it was like an 注讟专讛, like a crown, it means this way. And this is what the 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 means. But the bottom line it comes out that there is no opinion that says anywhere that the branches went circular up. This 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 who says that it was like a circle, does not mean a circle going from the 拽谞讛 circularly all up, cuz even according to 讗讘谉 注讝专讗 it went straight. But went straight could be all on one on the side, or straight means like a 诇讬讬讻讟注专, but straight, coming out of the 拽谞讛 here, and here, and here, and here, all sides. And that's what the 专讘讬 says before that 诇诪住拽谞讗, 讗讬谉 讞讬诇讜拽 讘讚讘专, there is no argument, no one argues on this point that it was round, that the branches came out round. And therefore the 专讘讬 says we should change that from now on that way. Now
讛注专讛 44, he says, 讜注诇 驻讬 讝讛 诪拽讜诐 诇讜诪专, based on what he says here, it makes sense to say, there's a place to say, 砖讙诐 讛讞谞讜讻讬讜转 诇讬诪讬 讞谞讜讻讛, also the 诪谞讜专讜转 for 讞谞讜讻讛, 讻讚讗讬 诇注砖讜转 拽谞讬讛诐 讘讗诇讻住讜谉, 讻讚讗讬 to make that their branches should come out straight. 讜讘诇讗讜 讛讻讬 爪专讬讱 诇讜诪专 砖讗讬谉 讘讝讛 讞砖砖 讗讬住讜专 讚诪谞讜专讛 讚转讘谞讬转 诪谞讜专讛. 讘讻诇诇, he says there is no problem by thinking that you shouldn't do it because you'll be copying, imitating the 诪谞讜专讛, which you're not allowed. Why not? And he brings the 讙诪专讗 in 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 from the 专诪讘状诐: 讻讬 诪砖谞讛 诪住驻专 讛拽谞讬诐, because anyway, their branches are a different number. Over there, the branches are six and the middle one, and here it's going to be eight. Huh? Yeah, but that would be, that's if he'd make seven without the cups, it'll still be an 讗讬住讜专. To make a 诪谞讜专讛 with seven branches, even without the cup, the 讙讘讬注讬诐 and all that, still a problem, because these 讙讘讬注讬诐 are not 诪注讻讘 讘讚讬注讘讚. Not only that, the 讙讘讬注讬诐 are only needed, 专诪讘状诐 says, when did they make the 讙讘讬注讬诐 and the buttons and the flowers? Only if the 诪谞讜专讛 was made of gold. But the 诪谞讜专讛 could have been made of other metal, too. What
did 诪谞讜专讛 did they have after 讞谞讜讻讛, when they, by the time of 讞谞讜讻讛? It was 诪谞讞讜砖转. A 诇砖讜谉, it says it was made of, it says a 诇砖讜谉 注抓, but it's not 注抓, it's 讘注抓. 讘注抓 is like 讘讚讬诇, it's like a like a kind of lead. It was made of that metal, that material, cuz wood is a 砖讗诇讛 if you're allowed to make it of wood. And if you make it of any other metal, you don't any other material, you don't have to have these ... even if it's not on the side, it's not 诪注讻讘 讘讚讬注讘讚. These things are all 诇讻转讞讬诇讛, not 讘讚讬注讘讚. If it's gold, then it has to be 诪拽砖讛, and it has to, all the 讚讬谞讬诐 that the 转讜专讛 says is only if it's gold. And the 讚讬谉 is if you don't have gold, if they were poor, they didn't have to make it of gold. 诇诪砖诇, they made the 诪谞讜专讛 now, you have this group in 讗专抓 讬砖专讗诇 who's making all the 讻诇讬诐 of the 诪拽讚砖, because 诪砖讬讞 is coming right away, and 诪砖讬讞 will come tomorrow, and they would need the 诪谞讜专讛, you'll need the 诪讝讘讞, so they're making everything. So they made a 诪谞讜专讛. But they made a 诪谞讜专讛 of silver, too expensive to make it of gold, they couldn't afford it. To make the 诪谞讜专讛 of a 讻讻专 讻住祝 of 讻讻专 讝讛讘 讟讛讜专, you know how much it would be? They made a 讞砖讘讜谉, this is in the millions and millions of dollars. Gold, with the price of gold, to make the weight of a of the 诪谞讜专讛 the way it was, I don't know the 讞砖讘讜谉, but it's 10 million dollars, 20 million, I mean big millions of dollars. So they made of silver. Gold color, they didn't make of gold. Huh? They made a second one, I think. The very first one they made another one, they made as a straight one. Yeah, the first they made a round like thing, then they changed it. They have all the 讻诇讬诐, but they made this of silver, because 注诇 驻讬 讚讬谉, it would be it'll be 讻砖专 of silver. No, it doesn't have to be. Doesn't have to be 诪拽砖讛 and doesn't have to be, I think they did make the 讙讘讬注讬诐 and the 讻驻转讜专讬诐 and everything they did make, but it's made of silver. Because 注诇 驻讬 讚讬谉 it'll be 讻砖专. It says 诪驻讜专砖, if you don't have enough money to make it of gold, 专诪讘状诐 says you can make of silver. Huh? All the 讻诇讬诐? No. Some included the building? I don't know. I don't know exactly. Obviously, they think it's not. Anyway, so the 专讘讬 says, so the question of making the 诪谞讜专讛 of 讞谞讜讻讛 of with straight branches to be a 砖讗诇讛 that you're not allowed to imitate the original 诪谞讜专讛 is not a 砖讗诇讛, because the number of the branches anyway different. So, therefore, 讜诇诪讛 诇砖谞讜转 讘讙讜祝 爪讜专转 讛诪谞讜专讛, why to change the actual 爪讜专讛, form of the 诪谞讜专讛, 砖拽谞讬讛 讛讬讜 讘讬讜砖专 讜诇讗 讘注讬讙讜诇, that its branches were were straight and not round? In other words, what he's trying to say is if you're making it already, why shouldn't you have a 讝讻专 of the 诪谞讜专讛? And 讟讗拽注 by seeing 诪谞讜专讜转 of 讞谞讜讻讛 straight, this was the thing that brought into the attention of the whole world that the 诪谞讜专讛 was really straight. Otherwise, the 专讘讬 said it. But here, constantly you go around, everyone knows, they call it a 诇讬讜讘讗讜讜讬讟砖注专 诪谞讜专讛. A 诇讬讜讘讗讜讜讬讟砖注专 诪谞讜专讛 is one straight, but it's there. So this reminds everybody that the 诪谞讜专讛 in the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 really was straight, not round, so this helps to know the truth of the way the 诪谞讜专讛 looks. But obviously this is only if you buy a 诪谞讜专讛 that has branches. For 讞谞讜讻讛 many 诪谞讜专讜转 don't have branches. 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 there's small 诪谞讜专讜转, but this even the silver or even some gold they don't have branches, so then there is no 注谞讬谉. I think the 专讘讬's 诪谞讜专讛 himself that he used in the house was a 诪谞讜专讛, small a low 诪谞讜专讛 with a back. Did the previous also? With a back. Actually, the 专讘讬 once explained this this The 专讘讬 spoke about this and then and in a 讛注专讛 in a letter. The whole started like this. Maybe I mentioned it once. I think I mentioned it, that the 专讘讬 walked home every day, used to walk home. Rabbi Rivkin, 专' 讘注专诇 专讬讘拽讬谉, was from the 讗诇讟注 讞住讬讚讬诐, was a 专讗砖 讬砖讬讘讛 in 转讜专讛 讜讚注转, is it? So, he moved in. He used to live someplace else, anyway he moved in to the corner building, 706, what the corner building? What the corner, Eastern Parkway and Brooklyn? 706. And he lived, that's, on the third floor or something, on the second or third floor, upstairs. And the 专讘讬 walked by 讞谞讜讻讛, walked home, used to walk home, he looked up, he saw his 诪谞讜专讛 in the window. So the
专讘讬 spoke about it by 驻讗专讘专注谞讙注谉, 讞谞讜讻讛, that the 诪谞讛讙 讞讘状讚 is that we don't put a 诪谞讜专讛 in the window, even though in 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱 it says if you can't put it outside by the door you should put it by the window for 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗. So the 专讘讬 spoke about it and said that 诪谞讛讙 讞讘状讚 is not to put it by the window and you should put it by the door, even though it's not outside, and it's across the 诪讝讜讝讛, all the things. Then the 专讘讬 went into the 注谞讬谉 and explained what the 讞住专讜谉 is in putting it up in the window. So he says like this: that usually, many 诪谞讜专讜转 have a wall in the back. So how are you going to put it? If you're going to put the 诪谞讜专讛 facing to the outside, and that's the whole purpose the outside should see, then it's 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛. For the outside it's 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛, and the 讚讬谉 is a 诪谞讜专讛 that's put higher than 注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛 is 驻住讜诇. So for outside it doesn't work. If you're going to turn it around for the people inside, so what's the purpose of the window? So the window doesn't accomplish anything. And therefore the 专讘讬 said not to put it by the window for this and you Remember later the 专讘讬 gave It was a a 诪讻转讘 讻诇诇讬 for 讞谞讜讻讛. 讛专讘 讞讚拽讜讘 gave over that the 专讘讬 wants that this 注谞讬谉 should be written up 讘拽讬爪讜专. And the 专讘讬 added it as a 讛注专讛. 讛讜住驻讛 诇讗讞专, 诇拽讜讟讬 砖讬讞讜转, a 讛讜住驻讛 诇讗讞专 讝诪谉 to that letter and 讛注专讛 when it mentions that, in 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗 he mentioned this 注谞讬谉. But it was basically that the 专讘讬 explained, but he said because many 诪谞讜专讜转 have the back. And when the 专讘讬 said many 诪谞讜专讜转, because the 驻专讬注专讚讬拽注专 专讘讬'住 诪谞讜专讛 had a back and the and many Nowadays, I think more people have more 诪谞讜专讜转 that are with with with 拽谞讬诐, 驻砖讜讟, the simple reason: people have more money and people are able to afford it more. In old things it was I mean, people were poor, so they they had smaller ones, and they had a small one, like say a silver one, but it's small, didn't take up so much silver, so it was easier to get. But the But if you have a 诪谞讜专讛 made of 拽谞讬诐, so the 专讘讬 said it's 讻讚讗讬 to have the 诪谞讜专讛 that the 拽谞讬诐 should be straight. Huh? You could put it on the window, but it depends, it's not on the second floor. Because if you The purpose of If, even though for the people in the house it'll be, but for the people in the house it doesn't have to be at the window, and for the people outside, and second floor it's 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛. And which way Good, that's a different That's a small 砖讗诇讛, which way would they light. If they meant for outside, you have to stand in this way and light. But anyway, 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛 is no good, so this doesn't No, but it was But people It's always for people outside, yeah, if it's the second floor, but a first floor, if it has no back, maybe there's a 注谞讬谉 to put it by the window. But if it has a back, even by the first floor it doesn't work. So that's what the 专讘讬 said, 讘讻诇诇 this whole 注谞讬谉, especially that that the The second floor doesn't work, even the bottom floor if it has it doesn't work. 诪诪讬诇讗 most 诪谞讜专讜转, most situations it won't work by the window, and, but besides it, 注诇 驻讬 拽讘诇讛, 注诇 驻讬 讞住讬讚讜转 it shouldn't be by the window. How about being 讬讜爪讗 by the window? No, that's not being 讬讜爪讗, 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗, not as being 讬讜爪讗, the 驻专住讜诐. Who are you make the 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗 for? If it's a 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗 for outside, the 讙诪专讗 says that 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛 is no 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗. Why? Because, because 诇讗 砖诇讟讗 讘讛 注讬谞讗. No, 诇讗 砖诇讟讗 讘讛 注讬谞讗, the 讙诪专讗 says that the eye doesn't catch. 驻专住讜诪讬 谞讬住讗 means that people will 讻讗驻. 诇讗 砖诇讟讗 讘讛 注讬谞讗, the eyes don't catch. 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛, people don't see. Now, it doesn't mean people don't see, you could see. So there is a 讛注专讛 from the 专讘讬 in that in that same I think it's in the same letter, where the 专讘讬 asks a 砖讗诇讛, we find in 讙诪专讗 讘讻讜专讜转, 讘谞讜讙注 诪注砖专 讘讛诪讛, that it says that how much 讘讛诪讜转 do you need to be 讞讬讬讘 诪注砖专 讘讛诪讛? 谞讜, we just learned it, 10. What happens if a person has two groups of animals, one in this field, one in another field, here he has five, here he has five, are they 诪爪讟专祝 or not? So the 讙诪专讗, 诪砖谞讛 says that if it's as far as the 注讬谉 of the shepherd could see, it's 诪爪讟专祝. And the 讙诪专讗 says, how much is that? 15, I think the 讙诪专讗 says 15 诪讬诇. So the 砖讗诇讛 is, but we see here 15, maybe one 诪讬诇, maybe one 诪讬诇, not 15 诪讬诇, maybe one 诪讬诇. Anyway, but it's more than 20 讗诪讛. So here we see that you could see even if it's far. So the 专讘讬 注谞讟驻注专讟, no, up you can, up you get also. The 讜讜讗专讟 is not whether you could see or not. The 讜讜讗专讟 is, will it catch your eye? If a person is intending to see, you could see higher than 20 讗诪讛. What so it says by a 住讜讻讛, why a 住讜讻讛 that the 住讻讱 is higher than 20 讗诪讛 is 驻住讜诇? Same reason, 诇讗 砖诇讟讗 讘讛 注讬谞讗. That means you pick up your head, you can't see the 住讻讱? When you look normal, and you don't try to look, you look average like this, and if the 住讻讱 is very high, what you'll see is the wall. It's a wonder, you'll pick up your head, and you'll try to see the 住讻讱, you'll see the 住讻讱, but it doesn't catch you. You have to put in effort or you have to do something to see it. So by over there, by the 专讜注讛, like by the 专讜注讛, talks about how far the 专讜注讛 could see if he's looking to see, maybe it's like a one 诪讬诇, I think one 诪讬诇, because if you look hard, and you want, and it's a flat thing, you could see whatever the 讞砖讘讜谉 there is. You look. So here it doesn't mean that, here it means to attract attention. Anyway, 诇诪注诇讛 诪注砖专讬诐 讗诪讛 it doesn't work, 诪诪讬诇讗, where it will go, so it should go by the by the door. And that's the 诪谞讛讙 讞讘状讚 anyway, to go by the door because of other reasons. It says that you have the 诪讝讜讝讛 on one side, and the 诪谞讜专讛 on the other side, and in the middle you have which 诪爪讜讛? Which 诪爪讜讛? You have the 诪爪讜讛 of 诪讝讜讝讛, the 诪爪讜讛 of 讞谞讜讻讛, and in the middle you have what 诪爪讜讛? 爪讬爪讬转. A person is standing in the middle and he's wearing the 爪讬爪讬转. So you have what did he say? Okay. 驻讜专讬诐 砖诪讞! The 诪讚专砖 says you have these three things. You have 诪讝讜讝讛 诪讬诪讬谉, 谞专 讞谞讜讻讛 诪砖诪讗诇, and 讟诇讬转 爪讬爪讬转 讘讗诪爪注. And 注诇讬讛诐 讛讻转讜讘 讗讜诪专 that 讞讜讟 讛诪砖讜诇砖 诇讗 讘诪讛专讛 讬谞转拽. If you have a triple 讞讜讟, then it doesn't tear. So then that's why. And 注诇 驻讬 拽讘诇讛 also it has to do with it crosses the 诪讝讜讝讛, there's a connection to the 诪讝讜讝讛, all kinds of 注谞讬谞讬诐. That's how we have it. Anyway, let's go 讜讜讬讬讟注专 here in the 砖讬讞讛. We're holding here 注' 注诪讜讚 讗'. 讚注专讘讬讬 拽讜诪讟 拽讜诪讟 讚注专爪讜 谞讗讱 讗谉 注谞讬谉. Another 注谞讬谉 the 专讘讬 is going to say concerning why we shouldn't have, we shouldn't make the pictures of the 诪谞讜专讛 round, but straight. Besides the fact that that's the truth, the truth is, the 诪谞讜专讛 was straight. But this has another point here. 讚注专 爪讬讜专 讛专讙讬诇 驻讜谉
讚注专 诪谞讜专讛, the common picture of the 诪谞讜专讛, 讗讝 讚讬 砖砖转 讛拽谞讬诐 讝讬讬谞注谉 讜讜讬 讞爪讬 拽砖转, that the six branches are like half a circle, 讗讬讝 注诇 驻讬 讛砖注专讛, the 专讘讬 says, I assume, he says clearly, he doesn't know, he says, I assume. It's a 讛砖注专讛 he says. 讗 谞讗讻诪讗讻讜谞讙 谞讗讻诪讗讻讜谞讙 驻讜谉 讚注诐 爪讬讜专 讛诪谞讜专讛, this is an imitation of the picture of the 诪谞讜专讛 讜讜讗住 谞讬讟-讗讬讚谉 讛讗讘谉 诪爪讬讬专 讙注讜讜注谉 讘专讜诪讬, that the 讙讜讬诐 made in Rome, 讗讜讬驻谉 谞讬爪讞讜谉-讗专拽注, it's called the 谞讬爪讞讜谉-讗专拽注, it's the the victory gate, 讚注诐 砖注专 讛谞讬爪讞讜谉 驻讜谉 讟讬讟讜住 讬诪讞 砖诪讜. It's called the 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住. It's also called it's because the the Arch of Titus. So there, on the Arch of Titus, they have a picture of the 诪谞讜专讛. But the picture over there is that they have the 讗讬讚谉 carrying the 诪谞讜专讛, the 诪谞讜专讛 is slanty, and they have the 诪谞讜专讛, it's not so clear now, all the details of the 诪谞讜专讛, because it's already closer to 2,000 years old, this Arch of Titus, 诪诪讬诇讗 things have rubbed out, but the 诪谞讜专讛 there, there is the feet of the 诪谞讜专讛, and you could see it very clearly, and the 诪谞讜专讛 is round, and what it's supposed to be is they're supposed to symbolize that the 讗讬讚谉 are that the 讙讜讬诐 are carrying the 诪谞讜专讛 away from 讗专抓 讬砖专讗诇, that when they conquered 讬专讜砖诇讬诐, the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, they destroyed it and they took away the 诪谞讜专讛 and this is supposed to be. And Titus, when he came back, the 专讘讬 is going to say, Titus when he came back, he made this arch to celebrate his 谞爪讞讜谉. And this arch was used till not so long ago, that whenever they would force the Romans would force 讗讬讚谉 to walk under this arch, because walking under this arch was supposed to be a symbol to them that the 讗讬讚谉 are giving themselves over, 诪讘讟诇 themselves, to the 讙讜讬诐, to the ones that conquered 讬专讜砖诇讬诐. And that's why there was a 诪谞讛讙 by 讗讬讚谉, 讘讚讜拽讗 an 讗讬住讜专, in Rome, an 讗讬住讜专 by 讗讬讚谉 to walk through this arch. Not to walk through. When I was
there, they warned me, don't walk under the arch, because you're not allowed to walk under the arch. Okay, now you couldn't walk anyway, they have like a little gate there, they don't want you to walk under. But they said, you're not allowed to walk under, by 讗讬讚谉 they know that you don't walk under. But this was the whole purpose of the arch. And it says on it, whatever it writes here, we'll see in a minute, explains what it is. 讜讜注谉 讟讬讟讜住 讛专砖注 讛讗讟 讞专讜讘 讙注诪讗讻讟 讚注诐 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, when 讟讬讟讜住 讛专砖注 destroyed the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, 讛讗讟 注专 讙注讛讬讬住谉 讗讜讜注拽谞注诪注谉 讗讜讜注拽爪讜谞注诪注谉 讻诇讬 讛诪拽讚砖, he said to take away the 讻诇讬 of the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, 讗讜谉 讝讬讬 讘专注谞讙注谉 拽讬讬谉 专讜讬诐, to bring it to Rome. 讗讜谉 诇讻讘讜讚讜 驻讜谞注诐 专砖注, and in honor of this 专砖注, 讛讗讟 诪注谉 讗讬谉 专讜讬诐 讙注讘讜讬讟 讗 砖注专 讛谞爪讞讜谉, they built in Rome a gate to celebrate his 谞爪讞讜谉, his victory, 讜讜讗住 讟专讗讙讟 讝讬讬谉 谞讗诪注谉, 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住, which has his name till today it's called 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住. There's another gate there which has a different name, which is not 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住, also a 砖注专 that goes back, I think, 2,000 years, but this is the famous 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住. 讗讜讬祝 讚注诐 砖注专 讛讗讟 诪注谉 诪爪讬讬专 讙注讜讜注谉 讜讜讬 诪注谉 讟专讗讙讟 讚讬 讙注驻讗谞讙注谞注 讻诇讬 讛诪拽讚砖, there they made these pictures of how they're carrying the captured 讻诇讬 of the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, 讜讘转讜讻诐 讚讬 诪谞讜专讛, and amongst them the 诪谞讜专讛. 讗讜谉 讗讬谉 讚注诐 爪讬讜专 驻讜谉 讚讬 诪谞讜专讛 讗讬谉 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住 讝注谞注谉 讚讬 砖砖讛 拽谞讬诐 讻讞爪讬 拽砖转, and on this gate, on this arch, there the 诪谞讜专讛 is round. Huh? Okay, we'll see in a second. And so the 专讘讬 says he assumes, the 专讘讬 says he assumes, and also he brings in note 45 that that's 拽讗驻讞 writes, also the reason that people do it is because this is what seems to be the 诪谞讜专讛, and if it's the 诪谞讜专讛, so here we have testimony that was written, close to the time of of the 讞讜专讘谉, that the 诪谞讜专讛 was round. And that's why people started making the picture of the 诪谞讜专讛 round. So the
专讘讬 says here, 讜讜讗住 谞讬讟 谞讗专 讗讝 讚注专 爪讬讜专 讛诪谞讜专讛 驻讜谉 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住 讗讬讝 讻诇诇 谞讬讟 诪讚讜讬拽, that 讘讻诇诇, the 诪谞讜专讛 the way it's on this gate, on this arch, is not 诪讚讜讬拽 for sure. It doesn't fit to the way the 讞讝诇 tell us. Besides that, so 诪诪讬诇讗 we can't bring a 专讗讬讛 from there. 注住 讗讬讝 讚讗讱 讙注讟讗谉 讙注讜讜讗专谉 讘讻讜讜谞讛 讻讚讬 讗专讜讬住爪讜讘专注谞讙注谉 讚讬 砖诇讬讟讛 讗讜谉 讛注专砖讗驻讟 驻讜谉 专讜讬诐 讗讬讘注专 讗讬讚谉, 专讞诪谞讗 诇讬爪诇谉. The reason they made this arch and they put this picture on it is to show that Rome controls the 讗讬讚谉. 讜讜讬 注住 讗讬讝 讚讗专讟 讗讜讬讱 讗讬讬谞讙注拽专讬爪讟 讗讬谉 讻诪讛 诪拽讜诪讜转 讚讬 讜讜注专讟注专, they carved out the words in many places, Judaea Capta, which means 讬讛讜讚讛, that 讗讬讚谉 is 讙注驻讗谞讙注谉, that 讗讬讚谉 are captured, are conquered. I tried to see, I didn't see it on it. Huh? No, but there are no words there. I don't remember, I don't think there are words there. I mean, there are pictures of it, everyone could see it. If I remember for tomorrow, I'll bring my pictures. Oh, you had the picture of it? Oh, and you found the words? There were words there? I remember looking to small sides, trying to I climbed up on on the side there, trying to look, because it's not so low, it's high, so I climbed up and tried to see to the But I don't remember, I don't think there are words there. They probably did get it, so, yeah, but it doesn't mean it's the 诪谞讜专讛. We'll see, the 专讘讬 explains what this is. They probably did get it. Huh? The 专讘讬 is going to explain it, but I think you'll have to wait till tomorrow for that. 讗讜谉 住'讗讬讝 讙注讜讜注谉 讝诪谞讬诐 讜讜注谉 诪注谉 驻诇注讙讟 诪讻专讬讞 讝讬讬谉 讗讬讚谉 爪讜 拽讜诪注谉 爪讜 讚注诐 砖注专, 爪讜 拽讜诪注谉 爪讜 讚注诐 砖注专, they would force sometimes 讗讬讚谉 to go to the 砖注专, 讝讬讬 讝讗诇谉 讝注谉 讜讜讗住 讚讗专讟 讗讬讝 讙注砖专讬讘谉 讗讜谉 讙注爪讬讬讻谞讟, they should see what's there, what's on it, 讻讚讬 爪讜 讚注专谞讬讚注专讬拽谉 讜讻讜诇讬, to make them to make them low, to make them feel low. So, in other words, the whole source of having the 诪谞讜专讛 round comes from 讟讬讟讜住 讛专砖注, which is against the 讗讬讚谉. Like I said before, they used to if ever they wanted the 讗讬讚谉, they would make them go through, that's what someone told me, I think it was after the Six-Day War, the 讗讬讚谉 of Rome walked through the 砖注专. show that now 诪'讗讬讝 诪谞爪讞 or maybe it was 转砖讻状讝, or whatever it depends, whatever he said. It sounds What this is So, 诪诪讬诇讗, the 专讘讬 is going to explain it makes no sense that we should, 讚讜讜拽讗, copy what it says there against what the 专诪讘状诐 writes. I, 诇讻讗讜专讛, it's a 专讗讬讛. So, the 专讘讬 is going to explain that it's not a 专讗讬讛 from there and he's proved, and he's mentioned before, that the whole thing is not 诪讚讜讬拽 and in the order explain it's not 诪讚讜讬拽, it's not exact. There are things that the 专讘讬 says there is a picture of like a 讚专拽讜谉, like a snake, which is a symbol of 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛, which certainly was not on the 诪谞讜专讛, and it's over there. So, that shows that this 诪谞讜专讛 is not really a copy of the 诪谞讜专讛, of the real 诪谞讜专讛 in the. What it is, the 专讘讬 will explain what it is, and therefore, this is not the right picture and the right way is what the 专诪讘状诐 writes and 专砖状讬 writes. Because the 诪谞讜专讛 was straight. So, we're holding here, middle of page 170. And after the 专讘讬 was 诪住讘讬专 that we see from the 专诪讘状诐 and from 专砖状讬 that the branches of the 诪谞讜专讛 were going diagonal, that means straight up in a diagonal form rather than circular, the 专讘讬 continues by saying that it seems that where did the world, or people get this idea that the 诪谞讜专讛 was round is taken from the way is drawn on the Arch of Titus. Because when Titus conquered the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, he took away the 讻诇讬诐, they made in his honor an arch, an arch of victory, and they put a picture of the 诪谞讜专讛 on the arch to show that he conquered the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. So, the 专讘讬 says, so first of all, we know that what he made what what's written what's put on this Arch of Titus is not exact. It's number one. Besides that, the whole idea they did this is in order to show that they control the 讬讬讚谉. And this is what we're holding, the last paragraph on the page 170, 拽讜诪讟 讗讜讬住 讗址讝 讚讗指住 诪爪讬讬专 讝讬讬谉 讚讬 拽谞讬 讛诪谞讜专讛 讻讞爪讬 注讬讙讜诇, that by by drawing the 诪谞讜专讛 in a circular form, 驻讬专讜砖 讚讗指住 讗讬讝 讚讗指讱 诪爪讜讬专 讗讜讬祝 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住, as it's 诪爪讜讬专, it's drawn on the gate of the the the the Arch of Titus, 讚讗址专祝 讚讗指住 讗址专讜讬住专讜驻谉 讗址 讙注讜讜讗址诇讚-讙注砖专讬讬. That should bring out a a a protest, a strong protest, 谞讬讟 谞讗指专 讜讜讗指住 讚讗指住 讗讬讝 讚讗指讱 驻讗址专拽注专讟 驻讜谉 专诪讘状诐 讜专砖状讬 讜讻讜壮. Besides the fact that when we make that picture, it's against the 专砖状讬 and against the 专诪讘状诐, but besides that, it's supposed to bring out a protest, 谞讗指专 讗讜讬讱 讜讜讬讬诇 讚讗指住 讙讬讟 讗址 讙注讜讜讬住谉 讛住讻诪讛, 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐, because by making that picture where it's as if we're agreeing, 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐 讜专讞诪谞讗 诇讬爪诇谉, 爪讜 讚注诐 爪讬讜专 讗讜讬祝 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住, to the picture the way it's on the Arch of Titus, 讜讜讗指住 讗讬讝 讙注诪讗址讻讟 讙注讜讜讗指专谉 讻讚讬 爪讜 驻讗址专讙专注住注专谉 讚注诐 讝讬讙 驻讜谉 讟讬讟讜住 讗讜谉 讚讬 谞讬讚注专讬拽讬讬讟 驻讜谉 讗讬讚谉, which was made to hurt 讬讬讚谉 and to lower them. So, by
us doing this, making the picture that way, we're giving validity to the Arch of Titus, which is made against the 讬讬讚谉, to lower the 讬讬讚谉. 转诪讜专转 讝讛, 讜讜讗指住 讚注专 爪讬讜专 驻讜谉 讚注专 诪谞讜专讛 讚讗址专祝 讚注专诪讗指谞注谉 讗讬谉 讗讬讚谉, 讗址讝 讝讬讬注专 转驻拽讬讚 讗讬讝 爪讜 讝讬讬谉 讗址谉 状讗讜专 诇讙讜讬诐状 In in contrast to what the 诪谞讜专讛 really is supposed to show the 讬讬讚谉. When we make a picture of the 诪谞讜专讛, it's supposed to remind the 讬讬讚谉 that we are supposed to be a light unto the nations. The 诪谞讜专讛 was a light and we're supposed to be a light, too, just like the 诪谞讜专讛 was 注讚讜转 讛讜讗 诇讻诇 讘讗讬 注讜诇诐 砖讛砖讻讬谞讛 砖讜专讛 讘讬砖专讗诇. The 诪谞讜专讛 was a testimony to all the people of the world that 讛砖诐 is among the 讬讬讚谉. So, that's supposed to remind us that we're supposed to bring light to the world. So, instead of that, 讜讜注专讟 讚注专 爪讬讜专 驻讜谉 讚注专 诪谞讜专讛 讙注诪讗址讻讟 讘讗讜驻谉 讻讝讛, the 诪谞讜专讛 is made in such a way, 讜讜讗指住 讚注专诪讗指谞讟 讚注诐 讛讬驻讱 诪诪砖, which brings out the complete opposite, 讜讜讬 专讜诪讬 讛讗指讟 诪谞爪讞 讙注讜讜注谉 讚讬 讗讬讚谉, 专讞诪谞讗 诇讬爪诇谉. on how Rome actually was 诪谞爪讞, won, came out victorious against the 讬讬讚谉. So, by making the 诪谞讜专讛 in a round way, we're giving 讻讞 to the opposite of 讬讬讚谉, to to Rome, to Titus and to the way they conquered the 讬专讜砖诇讬诐.
讜讬讛讬 专爪讜谉, so the 专讘讬 says, 讗址讝 讘拽专讜讘 诪诪砖 讜讜注讟 拽讜诪注谉 讚讬 讙讗讜诇讛 讛讗诪讬转讬转 讜讛砖诇讬诪讛, that soon we should have 诪砖讬讞, 讗讜谉 诪壮讜讜注讟 讛讗指讘谉 讚讬 诪谞讜专讛 讻驻砖讜讟讛 讜讘砖诇讬诪讜转讛, and we will have the 诪谞讜专讛, 驻砖讜讟, in a simple simple way, 讗讬谉 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 讛砖诇讬砖讬, in the third 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, 讗讜谉 讗址诇注 讜讜注诇谉 讝注谉, 讜讜讬 讚讬 诪谞讜专讛 讝注讟 讗讜讬住. And everyone will see, we won't have any questions, we'll see what the 诪谞讜专讛 looks like, 讜诪砖讛 讜讗讛专谉 注诪讛诐, quotes from 转讜住驻讜转 in 驻住讞讬诐 that 诪砖讛 and 讗讛专谉 will be with us, because the 讙诪专讗 asks there are certain things how will we know what to do when it comes to build the third 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. So, the 讙诪专讗 answers, don't worry about it, 诪砖讛 and 讗讛专谉 will be there and they will tell us what to do. 讗讜谉 诪注谉 讜讜注讟 讝注谉 讘注讬谞讬 讘砖专, 注讬谞讬谞讜 转专讗讬谞讛, we will see with our physical eyes, 讚注诐 拽讬讜诐 讛爪讬讜讜讬, how the commandment will be fulfilled. Which commandment? 讚讘专 讗诇 讗讛专谉, 讘讛注诇讜转讱 讗转 讛谞专讜转, the 诪爪讜讛 of lighting the 诪谞讜专讛, 爪讬谞讚 讚讬 诪谞讜专讛, 讻驻砖讜讟讜 诪诪砖 讜讘诪讛专讛 讘讬诪讬谞讜 诪诪砖, 驻砖讜讟 讻驻砖讜讟讜 讜讘诪讛专讛 讘讬诪讬谞讜 we will see the 诪谞讜专讛 and there won't be any discussions. Now let's learn 讛注专讛 45 and 46 and on. 45 we learned, 46. The 专讘讬 said before in the 驻谞讬诐 that we can't rely on the way the 诪谞讜专讛 is drawn on the Arch of Titus because it's 讘讻诇诇 not 诪讚讜讬拽. The way the drawing is there, it's not exact at all. So the 专讘讬 says, 讻诪讜 砖讛注讬专讜 讻诪讛 讜讻诪讛, as many pointed out, 砖讗讬谉 讘讜 专讙诇讬讬诐 讜讻讜诇讬, that it has no feet. In the picture on the Arch of Titus there are no feet to the 诪谞讜专讛, 讗祝 砖讘诪谞讞讜转 诪驻讜专砖 砖讛讬讜 专讙诇讬讬诐. In 诪谞讞讜转 it says in the 讙诪专讗 clearly that it had feet. And 专砖状讬 in 讞讜诪砖 in today's 讞转状转, today's 讞转状转 actually, 专砖状讬 says that the 诪谞讜专讛 had three 专讙诇讬讬诐, three feet. So that's for sure that it's wrong. So will someone dare to bring a 专讗讬讛 from the Arch of Titus that the 诪谞讜专讛 did not have any feet, any 专讙诇讬讬诐, if it's against the 讙诪专讗? So 诪诪讬诇讗 we see already that the 诪谞讜专讛 the way it's there is not exact, so we can't prove anything from there. Then the 专讘讬 continues to try to explain so where does the 诪谞讜专讛 on the Arch of Titus come from? There is a 诪谞讜专讛 there and it's round. If the 诪谞讜专讛 in the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 was not round, why did they make it? Where does it come from? So the 专讘讬 says like this: 讬砖 讗讜诪专讬诐, some say, 讗砖专 讛诪谞讜专讜转 砖谞砖讘讜 注诇 讬讚讬 讟讬讟讜住, that the 诪谞讜专讜转 that was captured taken through Titus, 讛讬讜 诪讛-讬壮 诪谞讜专讜转 砖注砖讛 砖诇诪讛. Was not the 诪谞讜专讛 that was in the 讛讬讻诇 that they used to make the do the 诪爪讜讛, to light the 诪谞讜专讛. We know that 砖诇诪讛 讛诪诇讱 made 10 more 诪谞讜专讜转, and they were put in different places. So maybe one of those 诪谞讜专讜转 is the 诪谞讜专讛 that Titus took, and that one taken was round. And that's where it came, but that's not the 诪谞讜专讛. Sounds like a good explanation. 讗讘诇 the 专讘讬 says, but 谞讜住祝 诇讝讛 砖诪住转讘专 诇讜诪专, besides the fact that it makes sense to say, 砖讛诪谞讜专讜转 讚砖诇诪讛 诇讗 讛讬讜 讘讘讬转 砖谞讬, first of all, it doesn't it seems like the 诪谞讜专讜转 that 砖诇诪讛 讛诪诇讱 made did not exist in the second 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. And Titus destroyed the second 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. The second 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 was 490 years after the 讞讜专讘谉 of the first 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, because it stood for 420 and there was 70 years in between the first and the second. So by that time it doesn't seem to be true that there were the the 诪谞讜专讜转 that 砖诇诪讛 made. See, all the things of the first 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 were taken away. The 讗讬讚谉 had to make new 讻诇讬诐. So it would make sense that when they destroyed the first 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, they took away all the 10 诪谞讜专讜转 of 砖诇诪讛. When they rebuilt the second 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, there is no reason to to assume that they made another time the same 10 诪谞讜专讜转 of 砖诇诪讛, because there is no 讞讬讜讘 to do it. So the real 诪谞讜专讛 they had to make because there is a 讞讬讜讘 to make a 诪谞讜专讛, but they didn't make those 10 诪谞讜专讜转. So 诪诪讬诇讗 it would make sense that those 诪谞讜专讜转 weren't there in the 讘讬转 砖谞讬. So how could we say that the 诪谞讜专讛 that Titus took was one of those 10? 讛专讬 讙诐 讗诐 谞讗诪专, so 讘讗诪转 even if we will say, 砖爪讜专转 讛诪谞讜专讛 砖诇 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住 讛讬讗 讻爪讜专转 诪谞讜专转 砖诇诪讛, even if we'll say, yeah, that the 诪谞讜专讛 there was a shape of the as one of the 诪谞讜专讜转 that 砖诇诪讛 made, 讘驻砖讟讜转 谞专讗讛 诇讬 砖诪谞讜专转 砖诇诪讛 谞注砖讛 讻爪讜专转 诪谞讜专转 诪砖讛. The 专讘讬 says, I think, I assume, that the 10 诪谞讜专讜转 that 砖诇诪讛 made were in the same shape as the 诪谞讜专讛 in the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, as the regular 诪谞讜专讛. In other words, this would not be a good answer. We want to say that the Titus, the 诪谞讜专讛 on 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住 is from one of those 10, and that's why it's round, because those 10 were round and not straight, different. The 专讘讬 says, I think no. I think that even those that he made were exactly the same. And if the 诪谞讜专讛 in the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 was straight, the 诪谞讜专讜转 of 砖诇诪讛 would also have been straight. Why? 讻讬 谞讜住祝 诇讝讛 砖讻谉 诪驻讜专砖 讘驻讬专讜砖 专砖状讬 注诇 讛转讜专讛 讘驻专砖转谞讜. First of all, 专砖状讬 says it very clear, 诪驻讜专砖. 专砖状讬 says in this 驻专砖讛 that we'll open the 专砖状讬, 讻状讛 讟壮, 讻讻诇 讗砖专 讗谞讬 诪专讗讛 讗讜转讱 讗转 转讘谞讬转 讛诪砖讻谉 讜讗转 转讘谞讬转 讻诇 讻诇讬讜 讜讻谉 转注砖讜. 讛砖诐 said to him, whatever I'm showing you now, that's how you should do. So 专砖状讬 says, 讜讻谉 转注砖讜, 诇讚讜专讜转, 讗诐 讬讗讘讚 讗讞讚 诪谉 讛讻诇讬诐, when one of the 讻诇讬诐 will get lost or you will make it 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 讻讙讜谉 砖讜诇讞谞讜转 讜诪谞讜专讜转 讜讻讬讜专讜转 讜诪讻讜谞讜转 砖注砖讛 砖诇诪讛. He says clearly that when 讛砖诐 showed him all the 讻诇讬诐 how they are supposed to be, he said when 砖诇诪讛 will make his 诪谞讜专讜转, he should make it exactly like I am showing you. So the way 讛砖诐 showed the original 诪谞讜专讛, that is how 砖诇诪讛 made other 诪谞讜专讜转, too. So, 讛谞讛 讙诐 注诇 讚专讱, so that is in 专砖状讬 in 驻砖讟. But 讙诐 注诇 讚专讱 讛诇讻讛 诪住转讘专 诇讜诪专 讻谉. Even according to 讛诇讻讛, it makes sense because 讻讬 number one, 诇诪讛 讬砖谞讛 讜讬讞讚砖 爪讜专讛 讗讞专转? Why would when 砖诇诪讛 made other 诪谞讜专讜转, why should he change the shape? Why should he not make it the same way as the original one? What was the purpose of changing it? Number two, 诪驻讜专砖, it says 诪驻讜专砖 and the 专讘讬 quotes different places in the 讘专讬讬转讗 讚诪诇讗讻转 讛诪砖讻谉, 讬专讜砖诇诪讬, 转讜住驻转讗, 砖讙诐 诪谞讜专讜转 砖诇诪讛 讛讬讜 讻砖专讬诐 诇注讘讜讚讛, that 砖诇诪讛's 诪谞讜专讜转, even though they were not the original one made for the 诪爪讜讛, but you could have used them for the 诪爪讜讛, too. In other words, if the 诪谞讜专讛 that you had was not available or something, you could have used 砖诇诪讛's, one of 砖诇诪讛's 诪谞讜专讜转. 讜讻谉 诪讜讻讞 讘诪谞讞讜转, in 诪谞讞讜转 爪状讞 it says 诪爪讬讘讬谉 讛诪谞讜专讛 and talking from that 讙诪专讗, obviously it seems that you could have used 砖诇诪讛's 诪谞讜专讛. 讜诇驻讬专讜砖 专砖状讬, according to 专砖状讬, 诇讚注讛 讗讞转, according to one 讚注讛, 讛讬转讛 讛讚诇拽转 讛诪谞讜专讛 诇驻注诪讬诐 专拽 讘砖诇 砖诇诪讛. According to 专砖状讬, according to one opinion, 讘驻讜注诇 诪诪砖 there were times that they lit only that 诪谞讜专讛 and they 讟讗拽注 did the 诪爪讜讛 with the 诪谞讜专讛 of 砖诇诪讛. 讜讻谉 住转诐 讘诪讚专砖 讛讙讚讜诇 驻专砖转 爪讜, 讛诪讚专砖 讛讙讚讜诇 says clearly that the 诪谞讜专讛 that 砖诇诪讛 made was used for the 诪爪讜讛, too, sometimes. 讜诪诪讬诇讗, this explanation we gave does not stand hold water at all, to say that what was the 诪谞讜专讛 on the 砖注专 讟讬讟讜住? That is one of the ten 诪谞讜专讜转 that 砖诇诪讛 made, because that also, first of all it was not there, hard to say, but even if it was, the 诪谞讜专讛 of 砖诇诪讛 was also made exactly like the original 诪谞讜专讛, and if this 诪谞讜专讛 was straight, that one was also straight. Yeah? Yeah. I think the 专讘讬 brings it someplace, no? Does not bring it here? No. No, I do not see. I thought the 专讘讬 brings it here. No, he does not. Maybe someplace else he says it. The 专讘讬 talks about this 注谞讬谉 in a different 砖讬讞讛, too. 砖讬讞讛 of 驻专砖转 转爪讜讛, 讞诇拽 which 讞诇拽 was it? 讞诇拽 讻状讜. He talks about the he talks about the 讞讜砖谉, the the 爪讬抓. He talks about the 爪讬抓. Give a look. Take out 讻状讜. Open up the 诪驻转讞 in the beginning, the index. And look in 驻专砖转 转爪讜讛 if it talks about the 爪讬抓. Then I will see if that is the 砖讬讞讛. Then bring it to me. Give a look. Open it up in the front. Just where it says in short what the 砖讬讞讛 is about. You do not even Take 讻状讜. Open up. You see look at 转爪讜讛. In the beginning, when it says What are the 砖讬讞讜转 in 讻状讜 转爪讜讛? There is a 砖讬讞讛 about the 爪讬抓? A 诪讞诇讜拽转 how the 爪讬抓 was made? Huh? No? Yes? So, you want to bring me that Want to bring me that 讻专讱? Or pass it down, you know. Pass it down. Okay. After this