Measuring the Manna -- and What 'Tirosh' Really Means
Measuring the Manna -- and What 'Tirosh' Really Means
Part of Yom Kippur · 17:28
A sugya on how the manna's quantity was measured, whether 'tirosh' in Tanach refers to wine, and the halacha against smearing oneself for comfort on Yom Kippur.
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Zogt di Gemara do azoy. 讜讻讘专 讛讬讛 专讘讬 讟专驻讜谉 讜专讘讬 讬砖诪注讗诇 讜讝拽谞讬诐 讬讜砖讘讬诐, 讜讛讬讜 注讜住拽讬诐 讘驻专砖转 讛诪谉, and they were talking about the parashah of the man, because this whole sugya is about the man. Over there where you have the marker. 讜讛讬讛 专讘讬 讗诇注讝专 讛诪讜讚注讬 讬讜砖讘 讘讬谞讬讛诐, and Rabbi Elazar HaModai was amongst them. 谞注谞讛 专讘讬 讗诇注讝专 讛诪讜讚注讬 讜讗诪专, Rabbi Elazar HaModai got up and said: 诪谉 砖讬专讚 诇讛诐 诇讬砖专讗诇, the man that came to the Yidden, 讛讬讛 讙讘讜讛 住' amah, and it fell 60 amah. 60 amah is high, which is 90 feet. 讗诪专 诇讬讛 专讘讬 讟专驻讜谉, Rabbi Tarfon to 讛诪讜讚注讬, 注讚 诪转讬 讗转讛 诪讙讘讘 讚讘专讬诐 讜诪讘讬讗 注诇讬谞讜? You gathering things, you bring it to us? Where do you get this from? Vos far a min zach iz 60 amah? 讗诪专 诇讬讛, so he said, 专讘讬, 诪拽专讗 讗谞讬 讚讜专砖. I have a pasuk. Okay? Pasuk goes like this: It says by the Mabul, 讞诪砖 注砖专讛 讗诪讛 诪诇诪注诇讛 讙讘专讜 讛诪讬诐, that the water came 15 amah high. Now, higher, yeah, 15 amah higher. Now, pshat it means 15 amah over the earth. 讜讻讬 讟\"讜 讗诪讛 讘讘拽注讛, 讟\"讜 讗诪讛 讘讛专讬诐? What, it could be 15 amah here and 15 amah here, as if the water is like 讚讻诪讬讗 砖讜专讗 砖讜专讗 注讘讬讚? What, is it like layers, that it goes like this and it's all over 15 amah? Can't be. 讜住讜祝, 转讬讘讛 讛讬讻讬 住讙讬讗? If it's like that, then how did the 转讬讘讛 get to the highest mountain? 转讬讘讛 was lower and it's all over 15 amah, how did the 转讬讘讛 get up there? 讗诇讗 诪注讬拽专讗 讻转讬讘, the pshat is like this: First it says 谞讘拽注讜 讻诇 诪注讬谞讜转 转讛讜诐 专讘讛, in the beginning the 诪注讬谞讜转 from the underground, the wells opened up. 注讚 讚砖讜讜 诪讬讗 诇讟讜专讬, it opened up and it came till finally the water came even with mountains. 讜诇住讜祝 讞诪砖 注砖专讛 讗诪讛 诪诇诪注诇讛 讙讘专讜 讛诪讬诐, and then on top of that, which on top of the mountain is 15 amah, fine. That was by the Mabul. And the Mabul is something bad. Okay, 讗讬讝讜 诪讚讛 诪专讜讘讛? What's better, greater, 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 or 诪讚转 驻讜专注谞讜转? Is it
good things or bad things? 讛讜讬 讗讜诪专 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 诪专讜讘讛 诪诪讚转 驻讜专注谞讜转. So 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 is better. Where do we see it? No, so we know it because Rashi brings from, from here it says 讚' remembers three generations, and there it's 2,000 generations. Anyway, Chazal says 500 times more, but one thing is clear, that 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 is not less than 诪讚转 驻讜专注谞讜转. Good is not less than bad. Okay. 讗讘诇 诪讚转 驻讜专注谞讜转 住诪讬讱, so by the bad, by the, from the 诪讘讜诇 it says, 讜讗专讜讘讜转 讛砖诪讬诐 谞驻转讞讜. It says the lashon, how did this all happen? Because the 讗专讜讘讜转, the windows of Shamayim opened up. 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 讻转讬讘, by 诪讚转 讟讜讘讛 it says 讚诇转讬 砖诪讬诐 驻转讞. It says the doors of Shamayim opened up. Here it says doors. And then it says, 讜讬诪讟专 注诇讬讛诐 诪谉 诇讗讻讜诇, he opened the doors, and he let the mann come down. Now, how much is that more? Tana, we learned, 讻诪讛 讗专讜讘讜转 讬砖 讘讚诇转? How many windows is there in a door? 讚' 讚'. There is four, four in each door is four. So it comes out, here there were two doors? Huh? I guess. Four windows in a door. 讛专讬 讻讗谉 讞'. You have two doors, so you have eight. So it comes out like this: So if from 讗专讜讘讜转, from two windows came 60 讗诪讛, came 15 讗诪讛, and this is four times as much, 60. So 谞诪爪讗, it comes out, 诪谉 砖讬专讚 诇讛诐 诇讬砖专讗诇, 讙讜讘讛讜 讛讬讛 住' 讗诪讛, so it came out like 60 讗诪讛. I guess they didn't answer him anything, so he got the right, a good re'aya. Huh? Dos iz nit di kashya, that's a different kashya. Tanya, we learned, 讗讬住讬 讘谉 讬讛讜讚讛 讗讜诪专, 诪谉 砖讬专讚 诇讛诐 诇讬砖专讗诇, the mann that came down to the 讬讬讚谉, 诪转讙讘专 讜注讜诇讛, and stronger, up and up, 注讚 砖专讜讗讬诐 讗讜转讜 讻诇 诪诇讻讬 诪讝专讞 讜诪注专讘, from all over the world they could see the mann piled up. 砖谞讗诪专, it says 转注专讜讱 诇驻谞讬 砖诇讞谉 谞讙讚 爪讜专专讬, that you made a table 谞讙讚, against 爪讜专专讬, my enemies. The enemies could see the table. 讻讜住讬 专讜讬讛, and then it says the 驻住讜拽 讻讜住讬 专讜讬讛. 讗诪专 讗讘讬讬, 砖诪注 诪讬谞讛, from the words 讻讜住讬 专讜讬讛 we know, 讻讜住讜 砖诇 讚讜讚 诇注讜诇诐 讛讘讗, the 讻讜住 of 讚讜讚 讛诪诇讱 in the future, 诪讗转谉 讜注砖专讬谉 讜讞讚 诇讜讙讗 诪讞讝讬拽, it's going to hold 221 诇讜讙. 砖谞讗诪专, it says 讻讜住讬 专讜讬讛. 专讜讬讛 讘讙讬诪讟专讬讗 讛讻讬 讛讜讬. 专讜讬讛 is two hundred, 200 is a 专, and six, 16, 221. What's he going to do with it? Huh? What's he going to do with it? He has to drink it, of course. That's what they took. You know, that the, if you look at it, the Eibershter wanted everyone to see it. But the Gemara asks your she'eilah: How could you compare? 讛讗 诇讗 讚诪讬讗, you compared, you brought 50, 60, 60 year, because it's four times as much as over there. How could you compare it? 讛转诐 诪壮 讬讜诐, 讛讻讗 讞讚 砖注转讗. There, it kept on run raining for 40 days, and here it's just once. The 诪谉 came down and finished. Another thing, 讛转诐 讚讻讜诇讬 注诇诪讗. There the water came down for the whole world. 讛讻讗 诇讬砖专讗诇 诇讞讜讚讬讛, only for the Yidden, maybe much less? For the whole world it would be a lot. So, how could you So the Gemara You can absolutely ask there's much more there. So the Gemara says, you're right. You can, the cheshbon is not cheshbon. 讗诇讗 讚讘诇讗 讛讗 谞诪讬 讚讗讬转 驻转讬讞讛 驻转讬讞讛 讙诪专. You look at it from the beginning. There it says it came down: 讗专讜讘讜转 讛砖诪讬诐 谞驻转讞讜. Opened. Here it says: 讚诇转讬 砖诪讬诐 驻转讞. Opened. And what it says over there is the beginning, an opening. The opening is 讗专讜讘讜转. So you have 15 It's not because how much came down, but we know a cheshbon of 15 for two windows, so for for here we have to know four times as much. So just like It's basically a gezeirah shavah, more than a sevara. Here it says a sevara, it's that much, that's no sevara cuz there it was for much more people and lasted for 40 days. Yeah, like that. 讝讗讙讟 讚讬 Gemara, another inyan. The Gemara says that 转讬专讜砖 means wine. 驻专注讙讟 讚讬 Gemara: 讜转讬专讜砖 讞诪专讗 讛讜讗? Is 转讬专讜砖 wine? 讜讛转谞讬讗, it says in a beraita: 讛谞讜讚专 诪谉 讛转讬专讜砖, if someone makes a neder he's not going to eat 转讬专讜砖, 讗住讜专 讘讻诇 诪讬谞讬 诪转讬拽讛. He can't eat anything that's sweet, 讜诪讜转专 讘讬讬谉, and wine is allowed, because wine is not 转讬专讜砖. So l'chorah it's not. The Gemara goes back: 讜讘诇讗 转讬专讜砖 讞诪专讗? Now you tell me it's not it's not wine? I'll prove you it is wine. Katav, it says: 讜转讬专讜砖 讬谞讜讘讘 讘转讜诇讜转. It says 转讬专讜砖 will open up will will open up things which are like 讘转讜诇讜转. Just like a 讘转讜诇讛 the idea of a 讘转讜诇讛 she's closed, and 转讬专讜砖 will open up. Which means what could open up the hidden things? Wine. You drink wine, opens you up, 谞讻谞住 讬讬谉 讬爪讗 住讜讚. So l'chorah, the re'ayah from here: 转讬专讜砖 is wine, because it says wine will open up the the hidden things. 转讬专讜砖 will open up, but what's 转讬专讜砖? Wine. Answered the Gemara: 讚讘专 讛讘讗 诪谉 讛转讬专讜砖 讬谞讜讘讘 讘转讜诇讜转. It doesn't mean 转讬专讜砖 itself. 转讬专讜砖 could go on grapes, cuz we said anything sweet is 转讬专讜砖. And the wine, takeh not, you could say. 转讬专讜砖, when it says 转讬专讜砖 will open up the hidden things, means what comes from the 转讬专讜砖, that's the wine that comes from 转讬专讜砖. Freigt di Gemara, but there's another pasuk. Vekatav it says a pasuk: 讜转讬专讜砖 讬拽讘讬讱 讬驻专讜爪讜. The 转讬专讜砖 of your 讬拽讘, it's going to be so much, it'll open up. It'll It'll It'll pass, it'll gate so far. What's that What's 讬拽讘? 讬拽讘, Rashi explains 讬拽讘 is the bed, yeah, that the bed that's in front of the 讙转. And then there over there, it's not there's no grapes, there there is wine. And here it says, the 转讬专讜砖 of of your 讬拽讘 is going to 讬驻专讜爪讜. So that's similar that 转讬专讜砖 is wine. Answered the Gemara: the same thing. 讚讘专 讛讘讗 诪谉 讛转讬专讜砖 讬拽讘讬讱 讬驻专讜爪讜, what comes from the what the 转讬专讜砖 that comes from 转讬专讜砖 and goes into the 讬拽讘, but it's not the 转讬专讜砖 itself. Then the Gemara it says, asked, 讜讻转讬讘, it says: 讜讻转讬讘, 讝谞讜转 讜讬讬谉 讜转讬专讜砖 讬拽讞 诇讘, that 讝谞讜转 and wine and 转讬专讜砖 will take your heart. That means that will make you drunk, will take you take away your heart. So l'chorah, here it says 转讬专讜砖. Okay, yeah, but it looks like it's the same thing. But the Gemara does here He doesn't bring the answer, but the Rosh in the Rosh that they quote here, it says: 讛诇讱
讗讞专 诇砖讜谉 讘谞讬 讗讚诐. 讗讬谉 讚专讱 诇拽专讗 诇讬讬谉 转讬专讜砖, 诇讻讱 诪讜转专 讘讬讬谉. The Gemara answers that be'emes you're right, 转讬专讜砖 is wine. The whole re'ayah we thought we brought that 转讬专讜砖 is not wine, because it says if you make a neder from 转讬专讜砖, you're mutar to drink wine. So the answer is, by a neder we go not of what the word really means, but 诇砖讜谉 讘谞讬 讗讚诐. And people do not call wine 转讬专讜砖. So, but 转讬专讜砖 sweet, yeah, obviously, in those days, people would call sweet things, they would call 转讬专讜砖 and not wine. No, that's that's the kashya. Yeah. So we see 转讬专讜砖 is wine. And the answer is that 转讬专讜砖 is takeh wine, but why did we say before that if you say 转讬专讜砖, you're mutar in wine? Because that's people don't go. That's the din, takeh. The Rambam says More in Nedarim all over that sometimes it says that if you say this you're chayav in this, if you say this neder, that neder, so the klal is it's all if there is no 诇砖讜谉 讘谞讬 讗讚诐, or people are not medayek. But in any place which is 诇砖讜谉 讘谞讬 讗讚诐, this is what people say, so that's that's what that neder means. A person says, I make a neder not to eat meat. Is he asur in chicken? Well, depends. If people call meat, chicken also meat, then he's asur in chicken. If it's a place where people don't, it's mutar. It depends on 驻砖讜讟 诇砖讜谉 讘谞讬 讗讚诐. Why over here does it say 转讬专讜砖 and wine? Why did they use both? No, because they're both wine, ad'rabah, they're both two types of wine. They're two types of wine. Like you said, old and new. Yeah, one is old and one is new. Wine is more alcohol. Yeah, yeah. 讬讬谉 讜砖讻专 it says also. 讬讬谉 讜砖讻专 讗诇 转砖转. What's 讬讬谉? What's 砖讻专? People think 砖讻专 is beer. We call 砖讻专 beer. Rashi says 砖讻专 means old wine, which is stronger wine. 讬讬谉 讛诪砖讻专. Both are wine. Then the... So there's three types of wine? What? There's three types of wine? How do you mean three types? 砖讻专, 讬讬谉, and 转讬专讜砖? No, it could be beer. 砖讻专 is the same, it could be. Then the Gemara says, 诪讗讬 拽专讬 诇讬讛 讬讬谉 讜诪讗讬 拽专讬 诇讬讛 转讬专讜砖? 讘驻讜注诇, why do we say wine and 转讬专讜砖? 讗诪专 专讘 讬爪讞拽, it said 讬讬谉 砖诪讘讬讗 讬诇诇讛 诇注讜诇诐. 讬讬谉 means something that brings a 讬诇诇讛 is a crying, a curse to the world. What happens? If you drink wine, all kind of 爪专讜转 come out. It says, all this 讝谞讜转, everything, wine to get drunk. Being drunk, that's the problem. And 讬诇诇讛 is 诇砖讜谉 转讗谞讬讛 讜讬诇诇讛, it's bad. And 转讬专讜砖, why is it called 转讬专讜砖? 砖讻诇 讛诪转讙专讛 讘讜 谞注砖讛 专讗砖. 专砖 is poor. Everybody that gets involved in it, 诪转讙专讛 means angereytzt with it. Angereytzt is enticing? Drawn into? Yeah, becomes poor. First of all, you drink, you spend all the money on it, and 讘专讜讞谞讬讜转 you become poor because 诇砖讜谉 haRambam is that everything comes from drinking. All the problems come from drinking. Why is it we spoke about last time, why is it that by 讻诇 讛专讜讗讛 住讜讟讛 讘拽诇拽讜诇讛 If you see a sotah you should 讬讝讬专 注爪诪讜 诪谉 讛讬讬谉. Why is 驻专砖转 住讜讟讛 next to 驻专砖转 驻专砖转 谞讝讬专? You know why? Because if you see a sotah, then stop drinking wine. Because what's a sotah? She did something wrong. You realize that it all comes from the wine. It says even in the Gemara in Sotah when they talk to her and they they wanted her to be 诪讜讚讛 that they shouldn't have to write Hashem's name and erase it and whatever, one of the things, 讛专讘讛 讬讬谉 注讜砖讛. No, admit! You could admit that you drank wine and you got stuck. That's when you're lightheaded. Not lightheaded, you got drunk. You get drunk, people fine, and we drink alcohol, we drink, it's a chasidishe farbrengen, but the velt drinks, the goyim where they drink, it's totally different. However, if she was drunk, that's not an excuse. No, not an excuse, but they want to get her to admit. When the velt drinks, it says it becomes... The velt drinks and all the all the zenut and everything that happens is from drinking. Drinking or taking drugs, it's the same idea. Is that an application of defense to rule what happened? No, no. No, but b'foal we want to get her to admit, so we tell her all these things. 专讘 讻讛谞讗 专诪讬, 专讘 讻讛谞讗 asked a she'eilah. 讻转讬讘 it says 转讬专讜砖, 转讬专砖, 讜拽专讬谞谉 转讬专讜砖. It says without a 讜 in the Torah, but we read it 诇注讜诇诐 转讬专讜砖. 讝讻讛 谞注砖讛 专讗砖, because 专讗砖 转讬专讜砖 comes from the word 专讗砖, which is a head. Without a 讜 it's 专砖. 专砖 is poor. Depends, if you're zocheh, in other words, if you drink it in the right way, you drink wine in a 讞住讬讚讬砖注 驻讗专讘专注谞讙注谉, 谞注砖讛 专讗砖, you become a 专讗砖. 讜诇讗 讝讻讛 谞注砖讛 专砖. If you're not zocheh, you become poor. Now the word zocheh doesn't here pashut means if you merit. Chassidus 讟讬讬讟砖讟 zocheh, if it's oisge'eidelt. 诇砖讜谉 讝讻讜转. If you drink it eidel, then it's very good. If you don't, then you become poor. 专讘讗 专诪讬, 专讘讗 asked a she'eilah. 讻转讬讘 it says 讬砖诪讞, 讜拽专讬谞谉 讬砖诪讞. It says with a 砖. So it says 讬砖诪讞, and we read it 讬砖诪讞. It says a letter that you... No, the letter 砖 in the Torah doesn't have a period, doesn't have a dot. It's written, you could read it with a 砖, you could read with a 砖. Which pasuk is this talking about? 讬讬谉 讬砖诪讞. Yeah, 讬讬谉 讬砖诪讞, yeah. Same whether it says 讬砖诪讞 or 讬砖诪讞.
Today a client a Megillah with all the nekudot. A real Megillah? Yeah. A real Megillah. He told me it's kasher. He said it was he had a sofer, he spent extra $700 putting in all the nekudos and everything. What's the problem with with all the nekudos? With the trop also? The trop? No. Just with the nekudos, so you can read it. Otherwise, it's like this, they read it like this. Hm. And so the answer is 讝讻讛 诪砖诪讞讜, if you're zocheh, it makes you happy. 诇讗 讝讻讛 诪砖诪诪讜. Shamem means shimammon, makes you meshuga. 讛讬讬谞讜 讚讗诪专 专讘讗, that's what Rava said, 讞诪专讗 讜专讬讞讗 驻拽讞讬谉. Wine and a good smell makes you smart. In other words, you could have it the right way and it makes you smart. Okay. Finished that. The word zocheh is saying if he drinks it moderately, or zachah if he if you ever overindulges? So using a word that means two different things and... No, zachah? Yeah. He's saying if... He's meritorious, if he if he drinks moderately... Doesn't say that. That's the pshat. The pshat is, when are you when are you zocheh? You don't overdrink. But another pshat is, the chidush pshat is zocheh you drink it in an eidele way. The last thing he said about the smell, you drink wine that has a good smell? No, no. You taste smell a good smell also gives you, opens up your mind. Or if you drink... Wine or any smell? No, any smell, yeah. And wine... to respect the fact that... It doesn't have to be a good smell, I don't know, it will have a good smell, I mean yeah. Wine has a bouquet. In the old in the old days they smell... has a good smell to enjoy it. Not to not to open up your... Oh, it'll open the other, your sinuses, I don't know, but not to... but not to open up your brain. You'll have it all figured out. Then it says like this:
One of the inuyim on Yom Kippur is you're not allowed to smear. Where do we know that smearing is called the Torah says 注讬谞讜讬, 转注谞讜 讗转 谞驻砖讜转讬讻诐. Where do we see that 住讬讻讛 讗讬拽专讬 注讬谞讜讬? Ksiv it says, by Daniel it says, 讜住讜讱 诇讗 住讻转讬, and I didn't smear. And ksiv it says, another 驻住讜拽, 讗诇 转讬专讗 讚谞讬讗诇, he said to him don't be afraid 讚谞讬讗诇, 讻讬 诪谉 讛讬讜诐 讛专讗砖讜谉 讗砖专 谞转转 讗转 诇讘讱 诇讛讘讬谉 讜诇讛转注谞讜转 诇驻谞讬 讗诇拽讬讱 谞砖诪注讜 讚讘专讬讱. From the day that you first day that you put your heart to understand and to be 诪注谞讛 in front of Hashem, your words are heard. This is a this told by the malach, right? But the raayah we see, what did he do? He didn't smear, and he calls it that you were 诪转注谞讛. So we see smearing, not smearing is a inuy. That's, because the Gemara this is basically from the Gemara which quotes how do we know all the five inuyim. So the Gemara brings raayot: Eating and drinking is one thing, and then how do you know smearing or washing? So they bring all pesukim that if you don't do it, that's inuy. And the pasuk on this is the inuy of smearing because it says 讜诇讛转注谞讜转. Couldn't find more in the pasuk, or or these are a klal is... These are places that we found in the Torah using the word inuy. And by Yom Kippur it says 注讬谞讜讬, 转注谞讜 讗转 谞驻砖讜转讬讻诐. Did we find any other inuyim like this? We... you know, uncomfortable things? You have to make people uncomfortable? Yeah, it doesn't say. Just whatever the Torah says. Just, well yeah, 转砖诪讬砖... No. It's just not... you took pillows or whatever the heck, you know, kinds of things. No, halacha is just the... Only minhag? Yeah, the halacha is this: Some usually have minhag, some have a minhag to sleep on the floor and to sleep... So why you looking for minhagim? Haynt, don't sleep on the floor. Don't, because if you don't... Uh but those who have such a minhag they have to... All's minhag, it's not halacha. Not like sleeping in the sukkah. No, that's...