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BAVA METZIA (IYUN)

Bava Metzia 3aโ€“4a โ€” Iyun

When Does One Witness's Oath Carry as Much Weight as Two?

Part of Bava Metzia (Iyun) · 51:54

A detailed sugya on the single-witness oath, the principle of kal v'chomer linking self-admission to witness testimony, and when a sworn oath itself functions as payment.

Audio Transcript
Introduction to the sugya of Rav Chiya

Here in the Gemara, starting on ื“ืฃ ื’' ื‘ื‘ื ืžืฆื™ืขื ื“ืฃ ื’' ืขืžื•ื“ ื', goes through ื“ืฃ ื’' ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘', goes all the way through ื“ืฃ ื“' ืขืžื•ื“ ื', which is known as the sugya called the sugya of ืจื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื ืงืžื™ื™ืชื, the sugya a din of Rav Chiya. And the Gemara quotes two dinim Rav Chiya made, said. The first one we call ืจื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื ืงืžื™ื™ืชื, the first din of Rav Chiya, and then you have ืจื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืชืจื™ื™ืชื, the second din of Rav Chiya. Well, this is the first din of Rav Chiya. So it's a long ืืจื™ื›ื•ืช here just in the Gemara, I'll just try to make it bekitzur. Rav Chiya, it's ืชื ื™ ืจื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื, ืจื‘ ื—ื™ื™ื made a thought a din. We all know a din of ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช. Someone says, Reuven says to Shimon, \"You owe me $100.\" He says, \"I only owe you 50.\" So the 50 that he's modeh he pays, and the other 50 he has to swear, that's in a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช swears. It's one of the three ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. You know in the Torah there are, all the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช that the Gemara talks about, for this you swear, for that you swear, this is all ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. There are only three ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. One of them ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช, and I'm saying this because it'll be ื ื•ื’ืข to later, one is a ืขื“ ืื—ื“. If you

One witness versus two witnesses rules

have one witness. If I say you owe me money, you say you don't, and I bring a witness, so if I bring two witnesses, you have to pay. Witnesses say you owe the money, you have to pay, but if I bring one witness, it's ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ you a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, all it does is it makes you swear. So ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช swears, eid echad, and then you have ืฉื‘ื•ืขืช ื”ืฉื•ืžืจื™ื. If you're a shomer and you say it got lost, like say ืฉื•ืžืจ ื—ื ื, so you don't have to pay, but you have to swear. That's ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. So klal we know by ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช there is ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. Comes Rav Chiya and he says like this: ืžื ื” ืœื™ ื‘ื™ื“ืš, ืจืื•ื‘ืŸ says to ืฉืžืขื•ืŸ, \"You owe me $100.\" ื•ื”ืœื” ืื•ืžืจ, and the guy answers, \"ืื™ืŸ ืœืš ื‘ื™ื“ื™ ื›ืœื•ื.\" \"I don't owe you anything,\" which means the guy is ื›ื•ืคืจ ื”ื›ืœ. But ื•ื”ืขื“ื™ื ืžืขื™ื“ื™ื ืื•ืชื• ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื• ื—ืžืฉื™ื ื–ื•ื–. I have two witnesses that they know about 50. They don't know anything about the other 50. They don't say yes or no, 50, we know you owe. So here, ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื• ื—ืžืฉื™ื ื–ื•ื–, so Rav Chiya says you pay the 50, obviously, ื•ื™ืฉื‘ืข ืขืœ ื”ืฉืืจ, and the other 50, you swear. Why do you swear? Because he claims you become similar to a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช even though you're not. And he gives a ืœืฉื•ืŸ, ืฉืœื ืชื”ื ื”ื•ื“ืืช ืคื™ื• ื’ื“ื•ืœื” ืžื”ื•ื“ืืช ืขื“ื™ื, that the admission, if you admit yourself you're a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช, you have to swear, that is not stronger than when eidim say the same thing as you say. Right. Kal vachomer, that if

Kal Vachomer linking selfโ€‘admission and witnesses

when you yourself say, \"I owe you 50,\" you have to swear on the other 50, so when eidim say the same thing, he says you avadai have to swear. I have a kal vachomer. Kal vachomer. I have a kal vachomer that eidim say that avadai you have to swear, that's called, so let's refer to it ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช as the Gemara refers to ื”ื•ื“ืืช ืคื™ื•, your own mouth was modeh, and this is called ื”ื“ืืช ืขื“ื™ื. Different word, not ื”ื•ื“ืืช, not modeh or not ืžื•ื“ื”, ื”ื“ืืช ืœืฉื•ืŸ ืขื“ื•ืช. You have testimony of eidim, in this case of 50, we call it ื”ื“ืืช ืขื“ื™ื, and your ื”ื•ื“ืืช ืคื™ื•. So he says, \"I have a kal vachomer to prove that ืžื” ื“ืš that when you're modeh yourself you have to swear, if you're modeh to part, if eidim say the same thing, you avadai have to swear.\" Now, all the details, the Gemara back and forth, but let's go on to just the main points. Fregt the ื’ืžืจื, ืžืื™ ืงืœ ื•ื—ื•ืžืจ? How does the kal vachomer work? So the Gemara says like this: kal vachomer is: ืžื” ืคื™ื•, ืžื” ื“ืš ืคื™ื•, when you're ืžื•ื“ื” yourself, ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ื• ืงื ืก, if you're ืžื•ื“ื” yourself, the ื“ื™ืŸ is ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืงื ืก ืคื˜ื•ืจ. If a person is ืžื•ื“ื”, \"I owe you money,\" I have to pay, but that's only if I ืžื•ื“ื” in ืžืžื•ืŸ, but not in ืงื ืก. ืœืžืฉืœ, if a guy steals, you have to pay ืงื ืก, you have to pay ื›ืคืœ, you have to pay double. That's only if the ืขื“ื™ื find you, comes they take you to ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ and they testify, but if a guy comes to ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ himself and says, \"You know, I did teshuvah, I stole,\" if you're ืžื•ื“ื” yourself, you don't pay ืงื ืก. So ืžื” ื“ืš, if your own mouth is not so strong, it can't make you pay ืงื ืก, makes you a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, ืขื“ื™ื, ืฉืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืงื ืก, ืขื“ื™ื are stronger, they can even make you pay ืงื ืก, ืื•ื•ื“ืื™ ื ืžื™ ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, they can make you a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So comes the Gemara later on, I'm skipping around here because this, the Gemara says, how could you learn out ื”ื“ืืช ืขื“ื™ื from ื”ื•ื“ืืช ืคื™ื• as we just said? I could tell you maybe only if you're ืžื•ื“ื” you have to swear, because ื”ื•ื“ืืช ืคื™ื• has something stronger than ืขื“ื™ื. What's stronger? Always know this, ืขื“ื™ื is we all know the strongest thing. The answer, the vort is, there is not ืฉื™ื™ืš ื”ื›ื—ืฉื”. No one could contradict you. If a person is ืžื•ื“ื”, \"I owe you,\" you can have 25 ืขื“ื™ื coming and say you don't, you have to pay, cuz you're ืžื•ื“ื”. But ืขื“ื™ื, if other group of ืขื“ื™ื are ืžื›ื—ื™ืฉ, so this ืขื“ื™ื become ื‘ื˜ืœ. In other words, ืคื™ื• is stronger. Oh, if piv is stronger, maybe only peh, which is stronger, could make you swear, but not edim. So the Gemara says, you know what? We'll learn it out from an eid echad. Make the kal vachomer from an eid echad, from one eid. And this is how we'll make: ืžื” ื“one eid cannot make you payโ€”I mean, when one eid comes and says that you owe the money, you don't have to pay. Nevertheless, it could make you swear, cuz the din is eid echad makes you swear. Two edim that are stronger, they can make you pay, ืื•ื•ื“ืื™ they can make you swear. Comes the Gemara, and the Gemara says: How could you learn out from an eid echad? By eid echad you're swearing on what the eid is saying. The eid says you owe a hundred dollars. You got to, and you claim you don't, you got to swear to contradict the eid. What are we talking about here? The edim say you owe 50. What do you want to make you swear? On the other 50! So you're learning out something that doesn't make sense. So the Gemara says, okay, let's learn it out from ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of eid echad. This is another din. Any time a person is ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ a shevuah for a certain ื˜ืขื ื”, you could be meg alegel, you could already roll upon him, if this guy, the same guy has more ื˜ืขื ื•ืช to him, but ื˜ืขื ื•ืช that don't deserve a shevuah, you could tell him, force him, and this is a ื“ื™ืŸ ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, force him to swear on that too. Okay, so here, what'll happen? We

Eid echad and the forced oath

have a ื“ื™ืŸ ืขื“ ืื—ื“ comes, let's say, and says you owe a hundred dollars. You deny it, you have to swear. But in the meantime, I have other ื˜ืขื ื•ืช to you. So because of this eid echad, I could make you swear on things that the eid echad never said. What is the Gemara saying? Why couldn't you learn out that edim make you swear from eid echad? Because by eid echad you swear on what he said, and by edim it's not. But by ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” you swear on what he didn't say, and let's learn it out from there. Comes the Gemara, and the Gemara asks: You can't learn out from there, from a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, because by ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, then the Gemara says the ืœืฉื•ืŸ: ืžื” ืœื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ื”ื ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. It's not the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes you swear. Because he made you have a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” makes you swear another ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. But we're trying to learn out from by two ืขื“ื™ื. Two ืขื“ื™ื there is no ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that makes you swear, they make you pay the 50. So how do you know that money making you pay also can schlep? Here it's the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that schleps. So therefore the Gemara comes out maskana that you can learn out from a combination of both. It's not ื ื•ื’ืข so far, we learn out from ืคื” and ืขื“ ืื—ื“ together. I'm just going to focus on this last little piece. So here we had a hava amina and a maskana. We had first the Gemara thought that we could learn out that two ืขื“ื™ื make you swear from ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of ืขื“ ืื—ื“. Then the Gemara said you can't learn out from there because ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื“ ืื—ื“, the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” makes the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. But by two ืขื“ื™ื you don't have it. What was the hava amina? Everyone understands that by an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, how could he make you swear on something he never claimed? He doesn't even know about the second ื˜ืขื ื”. He says you owe the hundred dollars. The ื‘ืขืœ, the guy who I'm helping, knows ื˜ืขื ื•ืช, other things. So that's not from the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. So that's an obvious ืกื‘ืจื. The Gemara's ืงืฉื™ื why you can't learn out is so obvious, that it's the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that makes the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so how did the Gemara even have a hava amina? To learn from an ืขื“ ืื—ื“. To learn from ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื“ ืื—ื“. That's my, this part, the Gemara wants to learn ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื“ ืื—ื“, when ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื“ ืื—ื“, the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The shevuah brings a shevuah. And by ืขื“ื™ื there is no shevuah to bring a shevuah. In other words, pashut by eid echad, by ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืขื“ ืื—ื“, it's not what the eid echad says that makes you swear the second shevuah. The eid echad makes you swear on the first thing. That shevuah brings another shevuah. So how could we say that we learn out from the fact that an eid echad could do it, two ืขื“ื™ื could do it? Eid echad doesn't really do it. The shevuah does it. Right. So normally we would learn that the hava amina was that it's not like that, that the eid echad does it. The hava amina was that the eid echad, the guy who says that you owe the money, this causes the second shevuah. But how did he think so? I mean, how does he cause the second shevuah? He causes the first shevuah, and the first shevuah causes the second shevuah. So here we could explain it in a few ways. The

Foundation vs cause: ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื ื™ืŸ vs ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘

first way is based on this general chakirah that we have many times about different things. When you have one thing cause another, it could fall into one of the two categories. ืื‘ื•ืช ื•ืชื•ืœื“ื•ืช. Or, yeah, ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื ื™ืŸ or ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘, cause and effect. And ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื ื™ืŸ means foundation and building. The difference is, I mean I'll explain it, a ื™ืกื•ื“ is the whole foundation of the building. In other words, the whole building is standing on the ื™ืกื•ื“. And that, I'm finding if there was ื ืคืœ ื”ื™ืกื•ื“, ื ืคืœ ื”ื‘ื ื™ืŸ, you can't. A ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘, cause and effect, that this could cause something else, and the second thing now has an entity of its own. And even if the first thing falls away, the second thing stays. Some things are not like that. I'll give it a, always I use this simple example. You always say the cause is still in the effect in some in some way? No, we say thatโ€” No, pashut. I pushed this. What caused this to come here? My push. Now it's staying by itself. Don't have to have like like fifty ounces of mashal. The din is like this: if you owe me money, all your ื ื›ืกื™ื, all your property is ืžืฉื•ืขื‘ื“ to me. And therefore even if you sell a field to somebody else, I could come to that guy and take it. So the cause here is the fact that you owe me money. The effect is that your fields are ืžืฉื•ืขื‘ื“. When you pay me the money, you can't say, \"Whatever, the ืฉื™ืขื‘ื•ื“ the ืฉื™ืขื‘ื•ื“ is a din of its own.\" The whole ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช of the ืฉื™ืขื‘ื•ื“, the whole ื™ืกื•ื“ is the fact that you owe. The moment there is no yesod, there's no binyan. It's all... So even though it looks like two things: you owe me money is one thing, then there is the field is ืžืฉื•ืขื‘ื“ to me, it's really one. Sometimes we have a ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. This is on the business of ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. A mashal, even an example, there's a din when the Rabbanan made a takanah for a certain reason, the din is that even if the reason falls off, the takanah stays. The Gemara learns it... because they expressly said... Gemara says learns it out from ืžืชืŸ ืชื•ืจื”. Before ืžืชืŸ ืชื•ืจื” the Eibershter said to the people, \"Stay away from your wives,\" and the reason is because of ืžืชืŸ ืชื•ืจื”. When ืžืชืŸ ืชื•ืจื” was over, automatically the reason is not there. No, the Eibershter said, \"Go back.\" He gave them a heter. Why did he give them a heter? Because even though the issur was based on the reason, but the moment there's the issur, it stays. That's what the Gemara says: ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื‘ืžื ื™ืŸ, if the chachamim got together and made a ื“ื™ืŸ, ืฆืจื™ืš ืžื ื™ืŸ ืื—ืจ ืœื”ืชื™ืจื•. You have to get together again and take it away. Can't say, \"Because the reason isn't there, mimela the din doesn't stay.\" And many other places. So we see some things are ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื ื™ืŸ. Sometimes when you have two things, it's foundation and a binyan, which means the two are really one. The whole mahut of this second thing is the yesod of the first, that's only one. Or you could look at some things as ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. Let's apply here, too. Here we have like this: the guy has a ื˜ืขื ื”. The ื˜ืขื ื” that he says makes him swear. The guy says, \"I don't owe you the money.\" Now there's an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ against that ื˜ืขื ื”. So there's a ื˜ืขื ื” which has an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ fighting it. Because of that, this causes a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Now we could look at this in two ways: Do we look at it that the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is nothing but the ื˜ืขื ื”? It's like the ื˜ืขื ื” is the yesod of the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. In other words, if we say like this, it would mean that you claim, you're claiming you don't owe the money, now you have to swear. You know what swearing really means? Repeat your ื˜ืขื ื” with the tokef, with the strength of a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. It's not like another entity of a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. You could look at that the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื”, but the ื˜ืขื ื” under oath. M'meila what comes out that when you have to swear, that is the ื˜ืขื ื” that you're claiming. Or you could say, \"No, there's two ื“ื™ื ื™ื: there's a ื˜ืขื ื”. After you have the ื˜ืขื ื” and like the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ contradicts you, if the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ contradicts you, there's a ื“ื™ืŸ that you have to do something else.\" That's another, which is an effect. The second way is ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. The ื˜ืขื ื” is the ืกื™ื‘ื” why you have to swear, but the the the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘. It's a it's a ื“ื™ืŸ that the Torah put upon you based on because of your ื˜ืขื ื”. And the first way is it's not a ื“ื™ืŸ that the Torah it's a ื“ื™ืŸ of the Torah, obviously, but not a separate ื“ื™ืŸ. The Torah just said that ื˜ืขื ื” that you have, this is the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื” that you have. Ela mai? The ื˜ืขื ื” should be said in a form of a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Till now you ืกืชื said it, now we're ืžื—ื™ื™ื‘ it. Because there's an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ against the ื˜ืขื ื”, the ื˜ืขื ื” has to be said in the form of a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. What is the difference? This could be the difference: if the ื˜ืขื ื” is a if the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, I mean, is a separate entity, then we have three things here. We have your ื˜ืขื ื”, which an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is against, this causes a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Now, when it comes to ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, that for sure that the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” causes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. That's a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ, there's rolling over that because of that, you have to swear the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Why what's the first and the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? There's only one ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. No, no.

Applying the principles to other cases

I'm going now based on this to the other ื“ื™ืŸ. We started off by saying that there's a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that when you swear on something and you have a different ื˜ืขื ื”, this could cause you to have to swear. So I'm saying, but the Gemara said that you can't say this is the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ making you swear the second, because it's the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The question I'm asking is what is the ื’ื“ืจ of the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? If the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a separate entity from the ื˜ืขื ื”, so then the so we divide it like this: you have a ื˜ืขื ื”, the ื˜ืขื ื” deserves a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” because of the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. The ืขื“ ืื—ื“ make Since the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ says you owe, you claim you don't, that ื˜ืขื ื” deserves a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. If this the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a separate entity from your ื˜ืขื ื”, what comes out? That that there's a that so the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a separate entity. A ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is already not the ื˜ืขื ื” that the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is fighting. That's a a new ื“ื™ืŸ that you have. This ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So then we look at it that the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is not the one that made you have the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” made you have the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. If you're going to learn this as ื™ืกื•ื“ ื•ื‘ื ื™ืŸ... The ื˜ืขื ื” the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื”. And if the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื”, the ื˜ืขื ื” is what the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes you do. So if you say the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” makes the other ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, you know what the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is: this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื” which the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is fighting. The third one, the second one, the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” comes from the ื˜ืขื ื”. No, no, the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” comes from the ื˜ืขื ื”, right, since it comes from the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื˜ืขื ื”, so the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is there because of the ื˜ืขื ื”. And what's the ื˜ืขื ื”? The ื˜ืขื ื” is what the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is fighting. So it comes out that the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is the one that causes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So we had in the Gemara hava amina that the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ causes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Then the Gemara, no, it's not, ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So someone was asking, what are the two sides? I'm saying the hava amina was that it's ื™ืกื•ื“ ื”ื‘ื ื™ืŸ. U'memila, what is the pshat? That the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and the ื˜ืขื ื” is the same thing, u'memila the ื˜ืขื ื” is what the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is fighting, and that makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so really the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. HaGemara maskana is, no, the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a separate entity, the ื˜ืขื ื” is one thing, the ื˜ืขื ื” is the one that deals with the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. Then the Torah says, because of that there's a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a separate entity. Now that ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, which is a separate entity, makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so it's not the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. That's why the Gemara says that you can't learn out from here from ืขื“ ืื—ื“, because it's separate. That's one way to learn. Just a question on this. This is affecting when we learn this we're saying, okay, the nafka mina is affecting a third party, we're fitting it in, yeah? But how would a nafka mina affect the how would my nafka mina in the in the actual ein hachi nami, no nafka mina. Why do we have to say this? No, it's not it's in order to understand whether the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” third party, there was never a nafka mina. Ein hachi nami, this makes no difference. Makes no difference. Yeah, yeah. I want to say it another way along the same line of ื™ืกื•ื“ ื”ื‘ื ื™ืŸ and ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘, but a little bit different. Until now what we're saying ื™ืกื•ื“ until now we were speaking about the the ืกื™ื‘ื” ื•ืžืกื•ื‘ื‘ or ื™ืกื•ื“ ื”ื‘ื ื™ืŸ between the ื˜ืขื ื” and the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. I want to say something else now: the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. In the ืขืฆื, do we say like this, that the first that first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the ื™ืกื•ื“ of the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, that means the ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช of the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is the same thing is the same thing as the first, or we say no, there is a first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and that makes the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? Now that will be the difference. If the sec- and I'll explain why I would think that it's all a ื™ืกื•ื“. Because what's the pshat you swear your second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? It's basically you could say as if it's saying when he makes you swear, the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes a ื“ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. If there is a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” here, that same ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” gets broadened and ืžืชืคืฉื˜ to something more. That's how you could learn. Or you could learn no, the ื“ื™ืŸ is that you have to swear on this. Now the Torah says, if you have to swear on this and there's another ื˜ืขื ื”, this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” makes another ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Yeah, but you're saying it is a ืกื™ื‘ื”, you're not saying it's ื™ืกื•ื“. The Gemara talks, you bound to make a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, you like to make him another one. No, that's the ืžืกืงื ื of the ื’ืžืจื, because the hava amina was that that's that's one thing. So since the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes you swear, and that ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that he made you swear is extended, that means that who made the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? The eid echad! So that's the hava amina of the Gemara. And actually, if you look in Rashi the way he explains the hava amina of the Gemara, he says the ืœืฉื•ืŸ, let me just say, when about gilgul shevuah he says like this: ืื ื ืชื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืœืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืขื“ ืื—ื“, let's say a person is chayav a shevuah through a ืขื“ ืื—ื“, ื•ื”ื™ืชื” ืขืœื™ื• ื˜ืขื ื” ืื—ืจืช ืฉืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ื” ื—ื•ื‘ืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and there was another ta'anah which didn't need a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, ืžื’ืœื’ืœื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื• ืขื ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื–ื•, it doesn't say ืžื’ืœื’ืœื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื• we we roll it over to another shevuah, we roll it over with this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, ื•ื ืฉื‘ืข ืขืœ ืฉื ื™ื”ื, he swears on both, it doesn't say ื•ื ืฉื‘ืข ืขื•ื“ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Because it could have said, if you have a ta'anah and you have to swear and there's another ta'anah, so then this makes you should swear another shevuah. He makes the both shevuot into one shevuah. And that's how he's saying peshat in the hava amina. So I want to say this is the ื”ื•ื”. The hava amina was that the two shevuot are really ื™ืกื•ื“ ื”ื‘ื ื™ืŸ. So the ื™ืกื•ื“ the of of the second shevuah is the first, not that sibah: one shevuah makes another shevuah. If it's all one, so then it's the

Eid Echad Extends the First Shevuah to a Second

same thing, so the eid echad makes the first shevuah automatically, that's teitch he makes the shevuah which this shevuah is now extended, it's a little bit ืžืชืคืฉื˜ to the second ta'anah. And you can use that same language to say the other side. You can use the same language to say since it says because of this shevuah, that means the shevuah took on a category, an entity, a life of itself. Which shevuah? This first shevuah. No, that's what's I'm I'm saying now the first shevuah and the ta'anah go together, and that's not That was the before, the she'eilah is is the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” an entity in itself. I'm saying normally not, normally the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and the ื˜ืขื ื” that's one thing. And now we're saying this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that the eid echad made now causes a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the second one. So is the second one the same together with this, or it's a new ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? That's the ืฉืืœื”. How does the second ื˜ืขื ื” play a part, though? I mean, obviously the second this the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is because of the second ื˜ืขื ื”. We're not talking about that, really. No, but l'poal, if he knows if we know there is a second ื˜ืขื ื”, we say beit din will tell the guy, swear on the second thing, too. Yeah, but that's a ื™ืกื•ื“ for the the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Which one? The second ื˜ืขื ื”. No, why is that? That's for sure this the second. We're talking about about the ื“ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. That's Whatever the the ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is because of a ื˜ืขื ื”, but what made the ื“ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? The first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is is extended to the second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” because of the ื˜ืขื ื”. In a way not because of the first ื˜ืขื ื”, because of the second ื˜ืขื ื” in a sense. In a way not because of the first ื˜ืขื ื”, because of the second... First... No, but the second ื˜ืขื ื” doesn't deserve a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. But yet it causes it because that that causes the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. No, it doesn't. Second is a If there's no ื˜ืขื ื”, there's no ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, but it didn't cause the ื“ื™ืŸ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. That ื˜ืขื ื” is a ื˜ืขื ื”. Rashi means ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืขืœื™ื• ื˜ืขื ื” ืื—ืจืช ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžื•ื˜ืœืช ืขืœื™ื• ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The second ื˜ืขื ื” has no ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. I mean, I mean you've been asking for a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ. It's not an extra, a second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. It's part of this the same... Right, but I'm saying what kind of ื’ื“ืจ does it have then? See, I'm not even so expecting how l'poal he does it. He make it two ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช separately, or does he swear one ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” as a Whichever way, it makes no difference. The sevara, even if he makes one ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, could be considered two ื“ื™ื ื™ื. That include both. Or you could say that one din. The gilgul shevuah makes that the shevuah the first shevuah can be extended or not. And if the first shevuah is extended, it's all from the eid echad. The second shevuah is also from the eid echad. It's the same shevuah as the first. But if it's a second shevuah, it's the first shevuah that makes the second shevuah. Okay. But then this is all like but then there's a another way we could go into explain the Gemara. Gemara, that's already more ื‘ืืจื™ื›ื•ืช and more going into other things. To explain that, let's get back to a Tosafot ื“ืฃ ื™ืดื’ ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ืณ. And that Tosafot, yeah, Tosafot says something. We know a ื“ื™ืŸ, ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. Also in the Gemara like this, mechuyav shevuah, someone is mechuyav a shevuah, someone has to swear ื•ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข, and he can't swear, the din is ืžืฉืœื, because Okay, that's going to be a question. Why? What does the din, I want to explain the din. The

Rabbi Abbaโ€™s Silver Case and the Single Witness

classical din is like this: ื ืกื›ื ื“ืจื‘ื™ ืื‘ื, that's the famous case, a piece of silver of Rabbi Abba. The Gemara tells a story, there was a guy who grabbed away a piece, a chunk of silver from his friend. Let's say Reuven grabbed a chunk of silver from Shimon. And there was an eid echad who saw him do it. The guy called him to beit din. The guy said, 'Yeah, sure I grabbed it. It's mine.' And Rabbi Abba was sitting there, and Rabbi Abba said, 'I have no idea how to pasken'n this din. It's a strange din. What are we going to do here?' The klal the din is like this: wherever a case where had there been two eidim saying the same thing, you'd have to pay, if one eid says it, you have to swear. Okay, in this case, had there been two eidim that saw him grab it, he would have to give it back. But he explains it's his. He would not have to. He would. He would have. Sure. We don't care what he says. The klal is ื—ื–ืงื” ืžื” ืฉืชื—ืช ื™ื“ ืื“ื ืฉืœื• ื”ื•ื. So if two ืขื“ื™ื said, 'We saw the guy holding it and you grabbed it,' give it back. So you have to give it back. ืœืคื™ ื–ื”, if one ืขื“ says the same thing, you have to swear. What are you going to swear? What you have to swear by an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, you have to swear against the ืขื“. What did the guy ืขื“ say? 'You took it.' 'I agree, and sure I took it.' ืืœื ืžืื™, let him swear it's his. The ืขื“ ืื—ื“ never said it's not. So you can't swear. There is no shevuah against the so you can't swear. Let him pay, give pay. No, there are no two ืขื“ื™ื, on what basis should he pay? So the

When One Witness Can't Swear โ€“ He Becomes a Muniach

Gemara doesn't know what's going on here. The best thing is a ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, because if two ืขื“ื™ื would have been here, they would have paid, so ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes you swear. So this guy A ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช. He's completely not ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช, no, what kind of ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช? In general, because as an ืขื“ a shevuah, An ืขื“ ืื—ื“, you understand. but he can't, but he can't An ืขื“ ืื—ื“ says that you owe the money, and you say you don't. No, but it's not the same, owing is taking. But, yeah, ein hachi nami, that's why he can't swear. Let's say the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ would say, 'I know for sure it's not yours,' what would be the din? Then it would be great. Then it would be a ื—ื™ื•ื‘. He would swear, definitely. That's So here the ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is basically saying the same thing, because two ืขื“ื™ื would have made him pay. ืขื“ ืื—ื“ saying the same thing to them makes him swear. But lemaaseh, he can't swear. But the ืขื“ did state, 'So he took it from somebody else.' Right, so the document belongs to the other person. Right. Right, but you can't tell him to give it back based on what? But if ืขื“ as you But we don't trust an ืขื“ ืื—ื“. ืขื“ ืื—ื“ is only trusted enough to make you swear. ื—ื–ืงื”, it means he stole it. So you can't make him give it back because of his ื”ื•ื“ืื”. Mah nafka minah, if you're going with his what he's ืžื•ื“ื”, but he's ื˜ืขื ื”'ing it's mine! ื—ื–ืงื” ื“ืžืจื. Mah, azoy, why? No, that's when a person makes himself a ืจืฉืข. That's what we say. We don't say ืกืชื, because we can't figure it out we make him a ืจืฉืข? We on his own thing we can't make him give it back, because he says it's mine. ืืœื ืžืื™, because of the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. The ืขื“ ืื—ื“ doesn't make you give back either. It doesn't make you pay. It makes you swear what two ืขื“ื™ื would make you pay. So here we have a problem. The din is this guy is called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. That's what we call him, ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. But he can't swear. ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข, ืžืฉืœื. So you got to pay. That whenever you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ a shvuah and you can't swear, you got to pay. Well, he's ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ a shvuah because of because of the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. But he's not being ืžืฉืœื to the ืขื“ ืื—ื“. Right. So there's no But the ืขื“ ืื—ื“, the klal is if it whatever Two ืขื“ื™ื would say would make you pay the money, and an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ makes you swear. In this case, two ืขื“ื™ื would make him pay, so now he's ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ a shvuah with an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, but he can't swear. So he's ืžืฉืœื. Makes sense. We're going to wonder, why does it make sense? We'll see in a second. Then

Tosafot: The Rule Applies Only to a De'oraita Oath

Tosafot comes up with a new din. Tosafot here, Tosafot in ื“ืฃ ื” ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘. This klal of ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื is only by a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, not by a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. Okay. What we have to understand is two things: what is the logic behind ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื, why do you have to pay? See, I have I'll explain my she'eilah. If the guy can't swear because of his fault, lemashal, sometimes you have a case that you can't make him swear because he's a person that ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ suspect that he's going to lie even with a shvuah. So we don't want, we can't make him swear. Then you could say it's his fault that he can't swear. So be'emet you have to swear. A normal guy, what does it mean what is the taytsh when you have to swear? That if you don't want to swear, you pay. That's the whole idea: make you swear that you're right. If not So this guy, it's his fault he can't swear, or other reasons it's his fault. But here, it's not his fault! What What did I do? he says. I didn't do anything wrong! I'm just telling you the ืžืขืฉื” ื›ืžื• ืฉื”ื•ื. You're making me pay, on what basis? So why is there a logic of ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื? That he shouldn't have grabbed it. He should have settled his differences in a court of law. Oh, that's That sounds like a lawyer. Everybody got a lawyer. I mean, he saw the guy holding it and it's his, he took it. I I would do the same, no? See a guy holding my watch and I have a chance to take it, I would take it. You think I would go to I'll take him to ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ? No, I would take my watch, it's mine! He says it's his thing, he took it. I mean, he's not doing wrong. Why does he have to pay because he can't swear? Suppose he says, \"I don't want to swear,\" or \"I can't swear,\" the Torah did the the halachah doesn't let him swear. So, that's one she'eilah. Second she'eilah is, why by ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ not? Why if it's a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, we don't say the same thing? If it's ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. Now, some people hold that this whole din of ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื is a ื“ื™ืŸ ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. The Rabbanan said that. Then we understand. By a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, the Rabbanan didn't make takanot. They didn't make the Gemara uses the ืœืฉื•ืŸ ืชืงื ืชื ืœืชืงื ืชื ืœื ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ืŸ. A takanah to a takanah. But if we hold, mostly poskim hold, it's a de'oraisa. The Gemara learns it out from a pasuk. So then it's a de'oraisa, so there's not a takanah. So why by a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, yeah, and by ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, not? So, explain like this, which likhora you could say, normally we learn, what is the pshat of a shevuah? Shevuah means someone whatever whatever reason you're chayav a shevuah means that we can't accept your ta'anah unless you give it more more validity. How do you give your ta'anah more validity? If you swear, we accept, we assume that you're saying the truth. Now, sometimes we accept what you're saying without needing a shevuah. Let's say a case of a ื›ื•ืคืจ ื”ื›ืœ, and there's no ืขื“ ืื—ื“, so we accept the ta'anah that it's that you don't owe the money, and we don't ask you to strengthen it. If there's an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ against you, or as a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช ื”ื˜ืขื ื”, like this example, since you admitted half or something's there, we need to believe you for the other half with a shevuah. Same with ืขื“ ืื—ื“. Because if there's an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ against you, then we can't just say, okay, we believe you. The Torah said you've got to strengthen it. That's how we learn usually, normally, the geder of a shevuah. There are re'ayot, now I'll just mention very fast some of the re'ayot, that there's an a main other point by a shevuah. So, from from the practical point of view, I don't know how it'll be accepted. Well, I'm saying it because you know, in legal law, it's so practical. You know, nothing to do with ื”ืœื›ื”ื“ื™ืง things. The fact that you have to swear is a ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, payment. You you owe the guy you owe the guy a shevuah. And there are a few places, there's a Shitah Mekubetzet in Ketubot and Shitah Mekubetzet in in in in in Bava Metzia in Bava Kama, where it uses a ืœืฉื•ืŸ, ืฉื‘ื•ืขืช ืขื“ ืื—ื“, a shevuah, is ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ ื”ืŸ. It's a payment, and you owe the guy. Obviously, it's also to strengthen your ta'anah, obviously, that's also. But the

Understanding a Shevuah as a Form of Payment

main thing of a shevuah is, a shevuah is a chiyuv that you have to that person. Just like if the two edim come and they say you owe him money, here you owe him a shevuah. And that's the ืœืฉื•ืŸ they use. I'll give another re'ayah. Obligation. And not It's not Obligation is one thing. You owe it to him. It's a ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ. ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, it's payment. The Mishnah says in Shevuot, when shemittah comes, when you owe someone money, shemittah is mashmet. You don't owe it. If you have to swear, there's a tevi'ah and the halachah was you have to swear, shemittah comes, you're patur from the shevuah. Shemittah is mashmet. Mashmet means it takes away the loan. The Torah says, and the Gemara learns it out from a ืคืกื•ืง, ืžืฉืžื˜. But why does one person have It's a good But why do I owe you a loan? I mean, some guy comes to me, lies about me, all of a sudden I owe him something? Especially a shevuah? If it's an ืขื“ ืื—ื“! That's the thing. If it's two edim, some guy comes Okay, so say the Torah says two edim is that he owes him money, and a ืขื“ ืื—ื“, which I'll explain it even better, and a ืขื“ ืื—ื“ also makes you owe money. You owe him, if a ืขื“ ืื—ื“ says you owe him. The difference is if two edim say you owe him, you have no option. Right. And if a ืขื“ ืื—ื“ says you owe him, the Torah says you owe him the money, with an option of instead of paying it with the money, pay him with a shevuah. That's what it is. So basically, that's a form of payment. Paying with a shevuah is paying by... Ah, shemittah is mashmet. Now you start talking with the payment. Paying with a shevuah. When you paid, you do the shevuah is already... If the din is that if that's the din. Yeah, thank you very... I'll tell you even more. Yeah. We started explaining about shemitah and the shevuah. No, I said shemitah is mashmet money. So how could shemitah be mashmet the shevuah? You owe the guy, you have to swear. There is a din that there is an argument, there's a ืขื“ ืื—ื“, and you have to swear. You never got around to swear. Whatever it is, the court, I don't know, whatever. And then came shemitah and you're patur from the shevuah? Why? Because the loan... No, the loan had a... If you would have sworn before, you would not pay the loan. What are you going to swear now? You're not, aber to say no... You don't owe him anything anymore, so what are you... No, no. What do you mean, no? If there was a din shevuah... So the payment, it's it's never collectable. So ื‘ืฉืขืช ื”ืฉืžื™ื˜ื” wasn't collectable, it seems like. If a loan is not collectable in shemitah, then it's not mashmet. It's totally different, actually. No, this is So I'm trying to say that the shevuah is... But without the loan, there's no there's no shevuah. Right, but the loan is nothing, is batal. It's not, b'shemitah? If there's a loan that's not collectible during shemitah, shemitah is not mashmet. The... Really? Yeah, the Torah says ืœื ื™ื’ื•ืฉ. You can't demand. If it's a loan that you can't demand anyway, then the shemitah doesn't doesn't mashmet. Yeah, but still you should have made the shevuah or something right beforehand, made it collectable, and then it would the shemitah would have been a way around it. For the loan, yeah. But this But we're saying anyway, if the din is that he he has to swear, the din is he's not chayav to pay, he has to swear, and shemitah shemitah comes, shemitah is mashmet. ืžืฉืžืข that it's all because this is the place of the money. It's like the money, and the money shemitah is ืž- is also mashmet. Then there's another din. This is a This is a din that's even more... It's a din in

Ravโ€™s Opinion: A Sworn Oath as Payment

Bava Kama ื“ืฃ ื“ืฃ ืงื•, ืคื” Rav says, we don't ืคืกืงืŸ like him, but because we don't go that extreme, but Rav says a ืžื—ื•ื“ืฉ'ื“ื™ืงืข ื“ื™ืŸ. Someone says to somebody, \"You owe me $100.\" He says, \"ืœื”ื“''ื! I don't owe you a penny.\" And he went along and he swore. The guy said, \"Okay, if you'll swear, I'll accept it.\" With an edim? Once the No, there are no ืขื“ื™ื. And he And he swore. And the guy, \"Okay, you swore, you swore.\" Then the guy brought ืขื“ื™ื that he owes him the money. So to Rav, you got your shevuah, too bad, you can't take the money. What does that mean? If you look at it naturally, what I'm saying A ligner! A ligner! Yeah. What do you mean you got the shevuah? If the whole pshat of a shevuah is that you ื˜ืขื ื”, and in order to accept the ื˜ืขื ื” you got to put in make it valid, make it strong, now we found out that your ื˜ืขื ื” with your shevuah is all a bluff, it's all a lie. Two ืขื“ื™ื say! One ืขื“, you said two ืขื“ื™ื. No, no. Two ืขื“ื™ื came. You're chayav a shevuah, maybe ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช or whatever, there was a ืขื“ ืื—ื“, you're chayav a shevuah. No, even No, you were not chayav. He came like you were not chayav a shevuah, but he swore, and the guy accepted it. So Rav says, You accepted it. You got the payment. Rav's right. According to this, Rav's right! So I said we don't pasken like this because to go that extreme to say we wouldn't, aber the idea, this is the pshat. Right, shevuah is paying. Huh? Yeah, shevuah is a ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ื. You don't have to pay. Swear right away and get No, but the guy had to accept it. Rav's right. Yeah, if the guy accepted it. It takes this condition that people don't want to swear. It's over. Good. They're also saying that condition that people don't just swear No, that's You're right, and we trust him with the shevuah. But in the case where we found out that he's lied, as much as we assume people will say swear will not swear falsely, but what's he... What does that happen as much as it happens that people So maybe also the two ืขื“ื™ื are also... No. Well, that we don't say. No! No! The Torah says ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉื ื™ื ืขื“ื™ื ื™ืงื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ. What if the guy had to pay, but brings tomorrow two other ืขื“ื™ื? Then we ืžื›ื—ื™ืฉ them. That's right. No, we never say ืขื“ื™ื are not 100% because maybe he'll bring other ืขื“ื™ื. What happened to the ืขื“ื™ื somehow? What happened then? What do you mean? Can the two two ืขื“ื™ื can lie? Yeah. They can, but we don't No, we don't assume. If ืขื“ื™ื come and ืžื›ื—ื™ืฉ them, all right, but two ืขื“ื™ื come, that's it. We don't have If that guy happens to bring other edim, then bring other edim. But it's not a pshat that every time you bring two edim it's up for grabs, maybe it's true, maybe it's not. Two edim is two edim. So what I'm trying to bring out is that a shvua is payment, and basically what it is, regularly with two edim you got to pay. Here he's also chayav to pay, ela mai? You have a way to pay through a shvua. That's what it is, and that will be considered payment. If we learn like that, we right away understand why there's a ื“ื™ืŸ ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. Because if you can't swear, you got to pay, because it's not a pshat it's a ืงื ืก because you can't swear something, be'etzem You owe. When a ืขื“ ืื—ื“ comes, but the Torah says you got to swear, the Torah doesn't say you got to swear, the Torah really says you have to pay. The Torah just says we give you an option. The payment could be done through a shvua. By two edim, they gave no option, and here is an option. The option fell off, not your fault, because of the ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช, the case happens to be where there is no such option. So it's automatically, the payment is there. So we understand why the din is ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื, since he can't swear, he pays. This explains the pshat why, if it's a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, we don't say it. Now, I'll explain why it wouldn't say it based on this. When we say here that the shvua is payment, I would have to add that this is when there is a certain condition that's met, which is: we said this is like payment. You have payment of money, you have payment of the shvua. When it comes to pay money, this is also a little bit, we're splitting, trying to split a hair. When you owe someone money, u'meila you have to pay, there are two things here. There is, you owe, and then there's you have to pay. Now normally it goes together. If you owe, you have to pay. If you have to pay, that means you owe. No, we find that we could split the two in half. There's a possibility for a person to owe money and doesn't have to pay. You become, the Rebbe's writing about the case of Shemitah. But there's even a better, another case, not better. That means you could owe the money, then he doesn't owe... No, it's called a ืฉืขื‘ื•ื“, yes, it's called the ื—ื™ื•ื‘ is there. Okay, I'll give you an example from Shemitah that he mentioned. The Rebbe says that when Shemitah comes, no, it's actually in a Mishnah. The Mishnah says, ื”ืžื—ื–ื™ืจ ื—ื•ื‘ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืขื™ืช, ืจื•ื— ื—ื›ืžื™ื ื ื•ื—ื” ื”ื™ืžื ื•. If someone comes and says, \"Shemitah, there's no loan, but I want to pay you, I'm a nice guy,\" so I come to the... the din is here, I come to you and

Shemitah and Returning Money: The Obligation Debate

say, \"I'm going to pay the money.\" You have to answer, \"Sorry, it's Shemitah.\" But if I say, \"No, ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ื›ืŸ,\" you're allowed to take it. Not only you're allowed to take it, ื—ื›ืžื™ื says, \"Very good, it's a ื”ื™ื“ื•ืจ ืžืฆื•ื” to give it back.\" So they asked many she'eilot, but one of the two she'eilot he asked: How do you use the ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ืžื—ื–ื™ืจ ื—ื•ื‘ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืขื™ืช? How do you say you give back? It's not a ื—ื•ื‘ anymore! And second of all, why is Chachamim happy? If he doesn't owe him, the Chachamim say, \"I don't owe you any money, I'm giving you a present of a hundred dollars.\" All Chachamim are very happy why I gave you money? What has that got to do with this? So the Rebbe says therefore you must say, when Shemitah comes, the chov is still there. Shemitah doesn't mean there's no chov, Shemitah, the Torah just says the chov that you owe, you don't have to pay. We have that, many other... We have it, we mentioned so many times this idea. There is another place where we see something that we could split the two, and that's the whole idea of ืžื›ื™ืจืช ืฉื˜ืจื•ืช. There's a din you're allowed to sell a shtar. You owe me money, I could sell this shtar to you. Now you owe him. ืืžืจ ืฉืžื•ืืœ: ื”ืžื•ื›ืจ ืฉื˜ืจ ื—ื•ื‘ ืœื—ื‘ื™ืจื• ื•ื—ื–ืจ ื•ืžื—ืœื•, ืžื—ื•ืœ. You owed me, I sold him the shtar, I come to you, I'm mochal the chov. Machul the chov is machul. After you sold it? Even after I sold it to you. Well, what does that mean? He owes you money, I'm going to... I'm mochal a chov between you two? What's the pshat? Now the she'eilah is, some would ask, do I have to pay you because of that, because I made you lose money? You do have to pay that because of mazik, not because of the loan. I caused you a loss. Right. Just like the Rambam says ืขืœ ื“ืจืš, if someone, if I take a shtar that you have and I burn it, so I caused you a loss, you can't collect, but not because of the loan. Right. What's the pshat? How is that? If you owe him the money, how am I able to... The answer is very pashut. What I sold was the obligation to pay. The loan is still between me and you. In other words, I have a chov, you owe me, you have a... I have a chov on you without an obligation to pay. You have to pay him without a chov. That's the fact, that's what this din is. Yeah. So we see from here that we have this... That's the other one that's not Shemitah, that's the other example. This is not Shemitah, right, this has nothing to do with Shemitah. ืžื›ื™ืจืช ืฉื˜ืจื•ืช, selling a shtar which, ื•ื—ื–ืจ ื•ืžื—ืœื•, ืžื—ื•ืœ, so it's a crazy thing. She had to deal with this constantly, in today's world. Right, yeah. The chov and the obligation to pay, basically you're... I'm saying, right, I'm trying to split that, that there is a... you're chayav, in most cases normally, if you have a chov, you have to pay, but I'm saying there are two peratim here. We

Shevuah as Payment: Two Conditions Explained

said that paying, that a, giving a shevuah is also payment, so I want to say that giving a shevuah has the same two conditions, two peratim. You have a ื—ื™ื•ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and then there's the fact that you have to swear ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ. That you have to swear ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ. Pay with a shvuah. It's like payment. So the same, just like here, you have, sometimes you could have to pay ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ without having a ื—ื•ื‘. So you could have by shvuah also, you could have a ื—ื™ื•ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” without being called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the Torah says. Where would you find such a case? ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. I want to say when the ืจื‘ื ืŸ made you swear, the ืจื‘ื ืŸ did not make you become a ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The ืจื‘ื ืŸ did not make it that you are called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. I'll tell you even why, a few sevarot. One sevara is, when the ืจื‘ื ืŸ made a ืชืงื ื”, all they did was, they want to accomplish something. So they only made the ืชืงื ื” enough to accomplish what they wanted. They don't go further for no reason. Seder has ื“ื™ื ื™ื. If they wanted to accomplish something by you make you swearing, why would they have to put this ื—ื•ื‘ on you, make you a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? If they want you to swear, they say that you could swear. And that's all they want. They want you to swear, but they're not they didn't put a status upon you of ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. ื‘ืคืจื˜, we know that the ืจื‘ื ืŸ, that they're not optional. No, you have, just like what by the loan, when I sell the ืฉื˜ืจ, he must pay the money. It's not optional. But he doesn't have a ื—ื•ื‘ to you. So we see here the same thing. You're saying like when it's ื—ื™ื•ื‘ ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื? No, ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, when the the Torah made that's a ื—ื•ื‘, that's a you you call him ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So you are ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and you have to swear. When the ืจื‘ื ืŸ made it, not. ื•ื›ืœืœ, we know that the ืจื‘ื ืŸ don't have the power to change the status of something. They have the power to tell you what to do. That's the ื›ืœืœ. Also like ืื™ืกื•ืจ ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. When the ืจื‘ื ืŸ made ื—ืœื‘ ืขื›ื•ืดื ืืกื•ืจ, they didn't make it ื˜ืจื™ื™ืฃ. They can't. They can't make it, let's go ื—ืกื™ื“ื™ืฉืข ืฉืคืจืืš, they can't make it ืฉืœืฉ ืงืœื™ืคื•ืช ื˜ืžืื•ืช. How come you have to ื›ืฉืจ it? Because for you, you're going to have What I mean is the chachamim says, \"You are not allowed to drink it.\" And the rabbanan have a right to force you what to do. They have the authority, but they can't change. On the ื’ื‘ืจื. On the ื’ื‘ืจื. So if you have a keli which has it, and you're going to put stuff in there, it'll absorb the taste, so you're going to eat that taste, so you have to kasher it, whatever it is. So, same thing here. The rabbanan cannot change the status of a person who mid'oraita is not ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, put him into a status of a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. What they could say is, \"We want you to do something. We want you to swear.\" Okay. It makes sense that when is a shevuah in the place of payment? When you are ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” means that what the ื˜ืขื ื” that you have requires a shevuah, but that requires a shevuah is the payment. But in a case where it's only that you ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ have to swear, there you are not called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and if you're not called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, it's not ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ื. There it's a din the rabbanan made. Now we understand the Tosafos. ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื, we said why? Because this is in place of payment, and if you can't swear, you got to pay. A ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ is not a place of payment, because the rabbanan never said that you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘. ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ means it's not payment. He still owe. No, you don't owe lechatchilah. Chachamim ืžื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, if if it's a case of mid'oraita, you don't have to swear, means you don't have to pay, and you don't have to swear. If the case the rabbanan did, we want you to swear. The rabbanan didn't say you became a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, which ืžืžื™ืœื means that really they made you ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ if this made you to pay, you really have to pay, and now instead you're going to swear. They didn't do that. They said one thing: we want you to swear. So you're not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. When do you say if you're a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and you can't swear you pay? When you're a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. But here you're not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. If you're not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so then why should you have to swear? So now we understand peshat the Tosafos. Tosafos says that when do we say ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื? By a ื“ื™ืŸ ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. By ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ, we don't say it. And we ask why. Actually, Rabbi Akiva, he asks why, the Ketzos asks why. Why why should it not be? So I'm saying I have a sevara why. Because if the whole ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ืžืชื•ืš is because you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, actually that's the lashon of the Gemara. The Gemara says, ื”ืจื™ ื”ื•ื ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื•ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. The Gemara's pshat you have to be a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So without what I'm saying, we never think of dividing it: you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, if you have to swear, you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. No, I'm saying ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is another darga. There is a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and then there is you have to swear, and the Rabbanan never made you into a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So fine. ืœืคื™ ื–ื”, I want to say, What's the nafka mina, but if you're not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? Then you don't say ืžืชื•ืš, no that's You're saying in our case, but other an application otherwise? I don't know there is. What's the Should it I'll tell you what. B'foal, it's not. Look at the Shemitah, would Shemitah be ืžืฉืžื˜ this ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? Ah! If it's only Cuz we said ืฉืžื™ื˜ื” ืžืฉืžื˜ because it's a payment. But if it's not a payment, Shemitah wouldn't be ืžืฉืžื˜. According to this, Shemitah Yeah, Shemitah wouldn't be ืžืฉืžื˜ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. Yeah. So we would have old proof. But it's not. Well. No, it's not a pshat, it's not a pshat, because you could add another kvetsh there to make it, yeah. But the sevara would be nothing. Okay. What is all this ื ื•ื’ืข to what we started with the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? The

Rosh on ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and When Payment Applies

Rosh says later on on ื“ืฃ ืฆืดื— ืขืžื•ื“ ืืณ. I'll read inside an interesting Rosh. Here. Bava Metzia ืฆืดื— ืขืžื•ื“ ืืณ. ืžืฆื™ืขื. Okay, here. You know we have the ื“ืคื™ื here, then it's ืฆืดื˜. Should be in here, someplace. ืฆืดื—. ืฆืดื— ืขืžื•ื“ ืืณ. Okay, here. Yeah. All right. Here. Listen to the Rosh, the lashon of the Rosh: ืœื ืืžืจื™ื ืŸ ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื•ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. We only say that, ืืœื ื”ื™ื›ื ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืืช ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ืฉื ืชื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืขืœ ืขื™ืงืจ ื˜ืขื ืชื•. If it's a regular ื˜ืขื ื”, and on that ื˜ืขื ื” you deserve a you need to swear, and if you can't swear, you have to pay. Then he gives an example. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื”ื‘ืื” ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ, a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” that comes through a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ, ื•ืœื ืขืœ ืขื™ืงืจ ื˜ืขื ื”, not the original ื˜ืขื ื”, so there, we do not say that if he can't swear, ืžืฉืœื, ืืฃ ืขืœ ื’ื‘ ื“ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื. So, he makes a new chiddush, that when do we say ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื? By a regular ื˜ืขื ื” with a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. By ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, we don't. Why not? Based on what we said before, it comes out like this: that the Rosh holds a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is similar to a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื“ืจื‘ื ืŸ. It's de'oraita, but when you have a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” on the original ื˜ืขื ื”, you become a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So there, you say, since you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, it's ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื. ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is already secondary. There, the Torah says you've got to swear, but the Torah never made you a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. That answers the question. What about if you say that if you say No. If I I I don't If you say to what? The second ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is is is an expansion of the first ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? Yeah. So that's no That's why they talk about not That's a different sevara. That sevara will not fit here. We're saying a different sevara now. Does none of them give a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” from ืจื‘ื ืŸ anyway? No, ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ is a de'oraita. Huh? Sure it's de'oraita. So, we're saying This is what I'm saying. So, it comes out from this Rosh that a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. On the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ, you're only bepo'al have to swear. The Torah says, if you have this, you have to swear. And therefore? So, therefore, I explained before, when do you say ืžืชื•ืš ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื™ืฉื‘ืข ืžืฉืœื? When you're a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, so you're ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ. But if you're not ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, it's not ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ. You don't have to pay if you can't swear. That's what the Rosh says, that if you have to swear a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” and you can't, for whatever the case is, you don't have to pay. And we don't understand why. I'm telling I'm explaining why. Because the Rosh learns that a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, you're not ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘. It's just that you have to swear, but you don't have the category of ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. If you're not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, you're not ื‘ืขืฆื ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ. If you're not ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ, then you don't say ืžืฉืœื. It can't have an effect. Yeah. This explains another Rosh. Hagahot Ashri, the Rosh in our Gemara. The Rosh says in our Gemara, it brings a ืจืื™ื”, just ื‘ืงื™ืฆื•ืจ, brings a ืจืื™ื” that by a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, he says the guy who's claiming doesn't have to ask that he should swear the ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The second time. No, the first If you owe If you owe me a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, and then I have another ื˜ืขื ื” to you, so you don't have to On the second time you don't have to tell me, you know, on the second ื˜ืขื ื”, please tell him to swear a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. We have to do it by ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ. ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ's got to do it. So, and brings a ืจืื™ื” to it. Why do you need the ืจืื™ื” to it? What is that? No, no, not what it matters. If you didn't say, if you have to know, without ืจืื™ื•ืช, why is it different than every ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? Every ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, when you say ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช, you have to ask for a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”? If you're a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช, the ื‘ื™ืช ื“ื™ืŸ sees you're a ืžื•ื“ื”, make him swear. If I have an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ against you, you have to claim, you say, well, in that case I want him to swear. But if you don't say it, he don't swear. So why everyone here thinks different? ืคืฉื•ื˜, because the Rosh himself holds that this is a different ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Every other ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” you're ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืขืœ ืชืฉืœื•ืžื™ืŸ. So when you ื˜ืขื ื” and you ask for payment, you're asking for the shvuah. But here you're not asking for payment, you're not mechuyav. So here there would be an havah amina that you don't have that you do have to ask for the shvuah. That's why the Rosh says a re'ayah that you don't, but otherwise you would think so. There must be a consequence, by the way, of not asking for it. Once the person forgets to ask you, do you have Could they shut you back to make another shvuah, or you Did you give up your right to go and demand it? I mean, Oh, you're right. No, if you would have to ask and you didn't, you might give up your right. If you don't have to ask, Yeah, that's I just said, but why do we need that re'ayah then? Yeah, that's the al kol panim, getting back to our Gemara. So it

Gemara's View on ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”: Not a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”

comes out like this: that now we have in a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the bottom line is you're not mechuyav shvuah. So I could say that's the difference in the havah amina and the maskana of the Gemara. First, the Gemara thought that we could learn out from an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” of an ืขื“ ืื—ื“, that just like he makes you swear, so eidim could also make you swear. And the Gemara asked, how could you learn out from there? This is a different story. This is a shvuah makes a shvuah. The havah amina was that this ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a regular shvuah. It's a din like any shvuah. You're mechuyav shvuah. Okay, so if you're mechuyav shvuah, so just like here you're mechuyav shvuah to an ืขื“ ืื—ื“ even though it's something that you didn't ta'anah, so the same thing with two eidim. Answers the Gemara, no, this is a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, it's a second a secondary shvuah, which means it's not an original shvuah where you're mechuyav. It's a shvuah which you're not mechuyav. We want to learn out from here that the two eidim will make you swear like a modeh b'miktzat, as a mechuyav shvuah. So the Gemara not, so the havah amina, the maskana is the havah amina was that a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is a a regular shvuah. So the Gemara felt, just like here is a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, you can make like the two ืขื“ื™ื swear, make this swear also. ืงื ืžืฉืžืข ืœืŸ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื’ื•ืจืจืช ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. The Gemara says, no, it's a ื’ื•ืจืจืช, it only schleps the shvuah. So, it's a shvuah which is not ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘. Not ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘, we can't learn out from there to another shvuah, you know? ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” is d'oraita, why is it not ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘? No, they're not. So, the thing What did the Torah say by d'oraita? The Torah in this case said that you have to swear. The Torah never made you ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘. In other words, the Torah never made you a ื—ืฉื•ื“, man. Amazing. Even if it's from ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, yes, but what it is is That's what the Rosh says, even though it's d'oraita, but you don't say ืžืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ืœืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. So, it's kind of a mixture of d'oraita and d'rabbanan in this Not d'rabbanan. Well, because of the fact that you d'rabbanan, all d'rabbanan are like this, but d'oraita some could be, some not. And ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, the Rosh learns, is like that ื“ื™ืŸ, because it's not an original shvuah. Why can't they why can't the Why can't the Gemara be talking about, so what, it's not a shvuah. So let it be not a shvuah that's called a shvuah, let it be a half Because we want to say that the case of the ืขื“ื™ื like a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช. That's the only way we can make it swear like a ืžื•ื“ื” ื‘ืžืงืฆืช is a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Right, and that's d'oraita. Yeah. And that's called a shvuah. Called a shvuah, so we can't we don't find anything else but a ื’ืœื’ื•ืœ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. You have to take a ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”, but it's not called a ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. ืžื—ื•ื™ื‘ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื”. Yashar koach. Yashar koach. So it's not in the end, it doesn't come down to whether it's a whether it's a cause and effect, or that was just an issue. See if you can get your food. whatever, but better sharp change from Monday to Sunday. On Sunday, there's too many things going on. This is

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