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BEIT HAMIKDASH

Where Is the Ark Really Hidden?

Where Is the Ark Really Hidden?

Part of Beit Hamikdash · 13:39

Continues the search for the Ark's hiding place beneath the Temple floor, the Rambam's view on the silent Urim V'Tumim in the Second Temple, and the layout difference between the two Temples' inner sanctums.

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The mysterious ืคื™ื ืกื˜ืขืจืข ืชื•ืจื” and its orientation

light. So the Rebbe or whoever it is says Torah, they call it a ืคื™ื ืกื˜ืขืจืข ืชื•ืจื”, a ื‘ื™ื˜ืขืจืข ืชื•ืจื”. This is gonna be ืคื™ื ืกื˜ืขืจืข ืชื•ืจื”. Can't you hold it upside down then? Give it. You have that also in the iPhone. Why didn't you have actual Rambam? Oh, direction, yeah. You don't have to use the other book. No, the book has pictures. Okay. The light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the truth. ื“ืขืจ ืื•ื™ื‘ืขืจืฉื˜ืขืจ. I appreciate it. Twenty-four hours a day. Yeah. That's right. Okay, we'll try this the best we can do. Okay. ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ืขืจ ืจืžื‘ื ืื–ื•ื™: ืื‘ืŸ ื”ื™ืชื” ื‘ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื ื‘ืžืขืจื‘ื•, in ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, on the ืžืขืจื‘ side of the ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. Huh? Oh, you took the light? Yeah, that's that's enough. Good. But how you gonna hold it? Here, put this up on the thing. Just like this. Okay. That you can hold for your ืกืคืจ. Like this. It has no ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ in it, but you just want... Very, very bad. Okay. What else am I saying? Lernen. Yeah. Okay.

Stone on the western side of the Holy of Holies

Yes, there was a stone in ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, on the ืžืขืจื‘ side, on the west side, ืฉืขืœื™ื” ื”ื™ื” ืืจื•ืŸ ืžื•ื ื—. The Aron stood on that on that stone. ื•ืœืคื ื™ื•, and in front of that, was ืฆื ืฆื ืช ื”ืžืŸ, was the bottle of ืžืŸ, because when the ืžืŸ came down in the ืžื“ื‘ืจ, the ืื•ื™ื‘ืขืจืฉื˜ืขืจ told Moshe Rabbeinu to take a bottle and fill it up and put it away for all the years later. So that bottle was in the Beit HaMikdash, always standing next to the Aron. ื•ืžื˜ื” ืื”ืจืŸ, the stick of Aharon. Which stick of Aharon? The stick that he, when the ืื•ื™ื‘ืขืจืฉื˜ืขืจ said after the story of Korach, to put the twelve sticks into the into the ื”ื™ื›ืœ, into the ืื”ืœ ืžื•ืขื“, and whoever is going to grow fruit is going to show that that he's the chosen one. So this is the stick of Aharon that grew and it had ืฉืงื“ื™ื. ื•ื‘ืขืช ืฉื‘ื ื” ืฉืœืžื” ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ืช, when Shlomo HaMelech built the ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, ื•ื™ื“ืข ืฉืกื•ืคื• ืœื™ื—ืจื‘, he knew that it's going to eventually get destroyed, ื‘ื ื” ื‘ื• ืžืงื•ื ืœื’ื ื•ื– ื‘ื• ื”ืืจื•ืŸ, so he ืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื” built it with a place where to hide the ืืจื•ืŸ, ืœืžื˜ื” ื‘ืžื˜ืžื•ื ื™ื•ืช ืขืžื•ืงื•ืช ื•ืขืงืœืงืœื•ืช, he made big tunnels underground, tunnels, curvy ones, hidden ones, very deep that no one should know where it is, and the purpose was that if ever a time will come, not if, he knew it will happen, but when the time will come and it'll be destroyed, they should have a place to hide the Aron. And ื™ืืฉื™ื”ื• ื”ืžืœืš ืฆื•ื”, he commanded, ื•ื’ื ื–ื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉื‘ื ื” ืฉืœืžื”, he knew it and he hid the Aron in the place where Shlomo HaMelech made. ืฉื ืืžืจ, it says by Yoshiyahu it says, ื•ื™ืืžืจ ืœืœื•ื™ื, he said to the ืœื•ื™ื™ื, ื”ืžื‘ื™ื ื™ื ืœื›ืœ ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื”ืงื“ื•ืฉื™ื ืœื”ืณ, he said to them, ืชื ื• ืืช ืืจื•ืŸ ื”ืงื“ืฉ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืืฉืจ ื‘ื ื” ืฉืœืžื” ื‘ืŸ ื“ื•ื“ ืžืœืš ื™ืฉืจืืœ, put it into the house in the place where ืฉืœืžื” ื”ืžืœืš, the son of ื“ื•ื“, built. And then he said, ืื™ืŸ ืœื›ื ืžืฉื ื‘ื›ืชืฃ ืขืชื” ืขื‘ื“ื• ืืช ื”ืณ ืืœืงื™ื›ื. Now, you don't shouldn't carry, from now on you won't carry it ื‘ื›ืชืฃ. That is, now you have to carry it on your shoulders, but from then on you're going to hide it and it won't be there anymore to carry. And

Yoshiyahuโ€™s hidden Aron and the accompanying sacred items

when they hid it, ื ื’ื ื– ืขืžื• ืžื˜ื” ืื”ืจืŸ, the stick of Aharon was hidden together, ื•ื”ืฆื ืฆื ืช, and the bottle of ืžืŸ, ื•ืฉืžืŸ ื”ืžืฉื—ื”, also the oil that they anointed that Moshe Rabbeinu made, that was also hidden. Now, it was needed really. Why? Because in order to make a Kohen Gadol, you have to anoint him with the ืฉืžืŸ ื”ืžืฉื—ื”. But the din is that if you don't have the ืฉืžืŸ ื”ืžืฉื—ื”, just by him putting on, for the sake of becoming a Kohen Gadol, the eight ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื, that itself. So for seven days in a row you put it on, you take them off. So, but be'emet if they had the ืฉืžืŸ ื”ืžืฉื—ื” it would have been better, but they hid it. So, ื•ื›ืœ ืืœื• ืœื ื—ื–ืจื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™, and all these that we mentioned did not come back. They were not there in the second Beit HaMikdash. ื•ืืฃ ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™, and also the ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื that had the second ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืžืฉื™ื‘ื™ืŸ ื‘ืจื•ื— ื”ืงื“ืฉ. See, there were two things. There was the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ, and the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ had with in middle, it was folded over, was like this: the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ was this big, let's say, but really it was made up of material this big, was folded over, and here they set the stones. And in the fold, they had the ืฉื ื”ืžืคื•ืจืฉ. And it's because of that that they used to ask questions and it would light up and give answers. So in the

Rambam on the silent ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื in the Second Temple

second Beit HaMikdash, Rambam says, they had the ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื, but it didn't answer ื‘ืจื•ื— ื”ืงื“ืฉ, ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ื ืฉืืœื™ืŸ ื‘ื”ืŸ, and they couldn't ask it, ืฉื ืืžืจ, because it says by the end of the first Beit HaMikdash that you'll have to wait ืขื“ ื™ืขืžื•ื“ ื›ื”ืŸ ืœืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื, until you'll get to the ื›ื”ืŸ and ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื, and that will not happen until Mashiach will come. ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ืŸ ืื•ืชืŸ, and the reason they made the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ, ืืœื ืœื”ืฉืœื™ื ืฉืžื•ื ื” ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื ืœื›ื”ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ, in order to have the complete eight ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื. Did they put the ืฉื ื”ืžืคื•ืจืฉ inside it? Huh? It was empty? There was no... Yeah, it was empty. That wasn't a problem? It wasn't a problem, because it's not part of the ื‘ื’ื“ื™ื. I mean, there's a ืžื—ืœื•ืงืช here. See, the Rambam learns that the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ is called ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื. That's why he says you have to have the ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื anyway. Rashi learns in Chumash that the ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื was not the ื—ื•ืฉืŸ. The ืื•ืจื™ื ื•ืชื•ืžื™ื was the ืฉื ื”ืžืคื•ืจืฉ. The ื—ื•ืฉืŸ is called ื—ื•ืฉืŸ, that's it. But I want to say together with in this Rambam, the Rebbe has a whole arichut, such a mamash a ma'amidikhe geshm a ke. And he

Rambamโ€™s view of the Aronโ€™s true location

wants to say a whole idea that when Yoshiyahu hid the ืืจื•ืŸ, it wasn't that he hid the ืืจื•ืŸ. By him putting the ืืจื•ืŸ in those tunnels, he put it back to the to the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. In other words, the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื must have an ืืจื•ืŸ, and there's no such thing as the ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™ should not have an ืืจื•ืŸ. It wouldn't be a ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ. Without an ืืจื•ืŸ, it's not a ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ. The only thing is you could have the ืืจื•ืŸ, you know, in a place where you could see it. Oh, that's why! And you could have an ืืจื•ืŸ in the place where you can't see it, but it's still the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. So that's why, cuz the she'eilah is what's nogea to know? The Rambam writes that... It's deep, deep in the earth. How can it be in the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื? Because it's the ื ืชืงื“ืฉ ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื is mekudash all the way down, ืขื“ ื”ืชื”ื•ื. So when David was mekadesh the place, and Shlomo was mekadesh the place, he was ืžืงื“ืฉ ืขื“ ื”ืชื”ื•ื, to the bottom. So really, this is all ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. So that's why the Rambam says that or that Shlomo builded it, builded with this part, and lechatchilah knew, because it's not a peshat that something knew that he, cuz be'emet the kashya is, why did the Rambam say that he built it? Why can't it be that they had a ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, when Yoshiyahu Hamelech saw that it's going to get destroyed, he made tunnels? Then we wouldn't have the ืงืฉื™ื. The Rambam, he made it ืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื” for this purpose, so he knew ืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื”, ื•ืžืžื™ืœื, it was ืžืงื•ื“ืฉ ื‘ืงื“ื•ืฉืช ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, and then when he put it in, so that and the ืืจื•ืŸ was there, so it was all the time. So when Yoshiyahu put it in there, the Rebbe has a whole kind of ื“ื™ื•ืงื™ื, so many ืงืฉื™ื•ืช, so many ืงืฉื™ื•ืช on this Rambam, but this this answers all the ืฉืืœื•ืช, that when he said, he didn't say hide the ืืจื•ืŸ. ืชื ื• ืืช ืืจื•ืŸ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ, put it. Just like when they put it on top, they put it into the Here also it was a way of putting it into the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. Well, you know if if it's ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจ ืžืžืฉ, if it's ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจ ื - ืื•ื ื˜ืขืจ, so then people can find it. But you don't know how to get in. You don't know how to get to it. You don't know how to get to, cuz he made it such tunnels and such curvy and this, he made it so that people shouldn't be able to get to it.

Attempts to locate the hidden Aron and tunnels

Sure people knows about this. Sure everyone knows about this. It's a Rambam. They tried, at one point they were working on trying to find it. Where did they look? And the the... That the high priest goes in? Yeah, ืžื—ื™ืœื•ืช. And the the ืจื‘ ื”ื›ื•ืชืœ used to be a Rav Getz, no, Getz, no, what was his name? I forget who was the ืจื‘. So he wrote to the Rebbe about it, that they're looking and trying to find... Harav Eliezer... Yeah. And the Rebbe answered him, \"Take it from me, stop that! Don't allow anybody to look for it!\" Cuz you're not allowed to go to the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. Now how could he stop who? How could he stop who? The rabbi in the... How could he stop him? Who? He was in He was He was running it. Rabbi Goren? Yeah, he was running that group. Not Goren. Goren wasn't the ืจื‘ ื”ื›ื•ืชืœ. Goren was a ืจื‘ ืฆื”\"ืœ and then later he was the ืจื‘ ืจืืฉื™. No, he was ืจื‘ ื”ื›ื•ืชืœ, he was the first ืจื‘... What about the ืฉื‘ืจื™ ืœื•ื—ื•ืช that that was also in that went with the ืืจื•ืŸ when they went to war? What did they put in that? According to one opinion, that's in the in the ืืจื•ืŸ. In this ืืจื•ืŸ you had the ืฉื‘ืจื™ ืœื•ื—ื•ืช. Oh, what about the other? Well, there was a second ืืจื•ืŸ. Yeah, that went to ืžืœื—ืžื” with them. Yes, where did that one go? That nobody knows? No. It's supposed to be in Vatican? Africa! They claim it's there. Yeah, they claim it's there. Who knows? Okay, ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ืขืจ Rambam ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืขืจ. Shlomo knew there'll be a ื—ื•ืจื‘ืŸ? Huh? He prepared for a ื—ื•ืจื‘ืŸ? Did he foresee there'll be a... Yeah. He knew it, not Yeah, and it's not only that he he was afraid there might be a ื—ื•ืจื‘ืŸ. He knew it. The Rambam says, what is the lashon here? ื™ื“ืข ืฉืกื•ืคื• ืœื”ื™ื—ืจื‘. Uh-huh. Okay.

The original wall separating ืงื•ื“ืฉ and ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื

ื•ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ื›ื•ืชืœ ืžื‘ื“ื™ืœ ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, in the first ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, between the ืงื•ื“ืฉ and the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื there was a wall, ืขื•ื‘ื™ื• ืืžื”, the thickness was an ืืžื”. ื•ื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™, when they build the second ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, ื ืกืชืคืง ืœื”ื, they had a ืกืคืง, ืื ืขื•ื‘ื™ ื”ื›ื•ืชืœ ืžืžื™ื“ืช ื”ืงื•ื“ืฉ, ืžืžื™ื“ืช ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. Was the wall part of the ืงื•ื“ืฉ or part of the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื? In other words, the the ืงื•ื“ืฉ had the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื was 20, 20 by 20 ืืžื”, yeah? The ืงื•ื“ืฉ was 40. So this wall was part of the 40 or part of the 20? What ืงื“ื•ืฉื” did that wall have? So when they came to build the second ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ, they didn't know, if they're gonna put in a wall, will this wall take up a little bit an ืืžื” of the ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื or an ืืžื” of the ืงื•ื“ืฉ? So what did they do? ืœืคื™ื›ืš, ืขืฉื• ืงื•ื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื ืขืฉื• ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื ืขืฉืจื™ื ืืžื” ืชืžื™ืžื•ืช, so they made the ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื 20, ืขืœ ืกืคืง, ื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื•ืขืฉื• ื”ืงื“ืฉ ืืจื‘ืขื™ื ืืžื” ืชืžื™ืžื•ืช, and they made it 40, ื•ื”ื ื™ื—ื• ืืžื” ื™ืชื™ืจื”, and they left the extra ืืžื” ื‘ื™ืŸ ื”ืงื“ืฉ ื•ื‘ื™ืŸ ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, extra ืืžื” between the ืงื“ืฉ and ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, ื•ืœื ื‘ื ื• ื›ื•ืชืœ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™, but the second ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ they

Second Temple layout: two curtains instead of a wall

didn't build a wall there, ืืœื ืขืฉื• ืฉืชื™ ืคืจื•ื›ื•ืช, they made two ืคืจื•ื›ื•ืช. There was like a area of a ืืžื”, on both sides of this ืืžื” was two ืคืจื•ื›ื•ืช, ืื—ืช ืžืฆื“ ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื ื•ืื—ืช ืžืฆื“ ื”ืงื“ืฉ, one on the side of ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, one on the side of ืงื“ืฉ, ื•ื‘ื™ื ื™ื”ื ืืžื”, and between was an empty space of an ืืžื”, ื›ื ื’ื“ ืขื•ื‘ื™ ื”ื›ื•ืชืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืจืืฉื•ืŸ, which is the space of the thickness of the wall. But they didn't take away not from the ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, it was ืขืœ ืกืคืง. But for some reason they didn't build a wall, they built two ืคืจื•ื›ื•ืช. Now this is what happened when the ื›ื”ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ had to go on Yom Kippur into the ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, what did he do? He took went to the curtain, to the ืคืจื•ื›ืช, moved it away, and then went in, walked through that space, and then went to the end, the other end, and went into the other end of the other ืคืจื•ื›ืช and went to the ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื. That's how it was there. I think they learned from the ืขืžื•ื“ื™ื. ื›ืœ ืขื‘ื™ืจื”. ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืงื“ืฉ ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ืœื ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื ืืœื ืคืจื•ื›ืช ืื—ืช ื‘ืœื‘ื“, in the first ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ there was only one ืคืจื•ื›ืช, ืฉื ืืžืจ, it says, ื•ื”ื‘ื“ื™ืœื” ื”ืคืจื•ื›ืช. Oh, so that's the she'eilah what does the Rambam mean. So some want to say that when he says ืžืงื“ืฉ ืจืืฉื•ืŸ, he really means the ืžืฉื›ืŸ, because in the ืžืฉื›ืŸ there was one ืคืจื•ื›ืช in between. And some say no, it's not that, there was a wall there, and besides the wall there was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช. And there's a re'ayah in the Gemara that was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช, because the Gemara it says that the ื‘ื“ื™ ื”ืืจื•ืŸ, you had the ืืจื•ืŸ there and the ื‘ื“ื™ื stuck out very long, and they stuck out that they they even indented into the curtain. Protruded into the curtain that you could see it, it says and it looked like ืฉืชื™ ื“ื“ื™ ืืฉื”. On a woman you could see sticking out two breasts, so that's like ืฉืชื™ ื“ื“ื™ ืืฉื”. So a siman there was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช in the ื‘ื™ืช ืจืืฉื•ืŸ. This can't be talking about ื‘ื™ืช ืฉื ื™ because there was no ืืจื•ืŸ there, so ื‘ื™ืช ืจืืฉื•ืŸ. So obviously the Rambam says there was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช, what's the peshat? There were both things, there was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช right on the wall. So there was a wall with a door. How did he get in, the ื›ื”ืŸ ื’ื“ื•ืœ? With a door. And then there was a ืคืจื•ื›ืช, and this thing is sticking out on the ืคืจื•ื›ืช. How could it go through the wall? Huh? How did it go through the wall? Huh? It didn't go through the wall. Yeah, no one could see it, because the wall blocked it. Bepo'al

Dimensions of the Exilic Templeโ€™s massive ื”ื™ื›ืœ

that's how zogt der Rambam vayter, ื”ื”ื™ื›ืœ ืฉื‘ื ื• ื‘ื ื™ ื”ื’ื•ืœื”, the ื”ื™ื›ืœ that the people from the ื’ื•ืœื”, meaning the second ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ built, ื”ื™ื” ืžืื” ืืžื” ืขืœ ืžืื” ืืžื” ืขืœ ืจื•ื ืžืื”. The ื”ื™ื›ืœ was 100 ืืžื”, and the ื”ื™ื›ืœ we said before it refers to the whole thing, to ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, everything, the walls, ืงื“ืฉ ื”ืงื“ืฉื™ื, ืงื“ืฉ, the ืื•ืœื, everything. So it was 100 by 100 ืขืœ ืจื•ื ืžืื”, the height of it was 100. We don't picture how high the ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ was. 100 amah! How is 100 amah? A minimum of 150 feet. Huh? A 30 story building, and maybe according to some shitot it was 200 feet high. You can imagine nowadays we think we think we went to a building, the building was so big, and And we'll see exactly how the height was. Yeah, there were two floors there, but you see sometimes they even have a picture to show the proportion of the person, because like this we imagine the person stood by the door, by the Kodesh. The proportion of the person Yeah, they show very small so you should realize how ืืคื™ืœื• here you see also. What you see here? People are here, this is the building. Why did they make it like it's so high? It's much much nicer. There's a pasuk

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