Why Was the Shechinah Absent From the Second Temple?
Why Was the Shechinah Absent From the Second Temple?
Part of Beit Hamikdash · 18:28
Explores why the Divine Presence didn't rest as openly in the Second Temple, traces the nations descended from Yefes, and surveys the giants of Hebron.
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learned yesterday learned that claimed that if the Yidden would have gone up with Ezra to second Beis HaMikdash, then the Shechinah would have been there. He said because they didn't go up, that's why it was not the Shechinah wasn't there like the first Beis HaMikdash. The Gemara says here, ื' we're holding, ืื ืืชื ืกืืื ื', the beginning of ื'. This is ื' I see, it was before. ื' is before. ืื ืืชื ืืงืืื ืืจืื ืืืื ื, and they came to Rabbi Yochanan, who was it that came who said it before? Reish Lakish. When they came to ืจืื ืืืื ื, ืืืจ ืืื, so he said, ืืื ืืืื ื ืืขืื. This is not the reason. The reason the Shechinah wasn't there in the second Beis HaMikdash the same as the first is not what you said. ืืื ื ืื ืกืืืงื ืืืืื ืืืื ืขืืจื, had everyone gone up with time of ืขืืจื, ืื ืฉืจืื ืฉืืื ื ืืืงืืฉ ืฉื ื, the ืฉืืื ื would not have been there. ืืืชืื, it says right away at the beginning: ืืคืช ืืืงืื ืืืคืช ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืฉื. Right in the beginning, the Oibershter said it'll beautify for Yefet, and Yefet was good because Yefet was the one that his descendants built the second Beis HaMikdash, and nevertheless, ืืืฉืื ืืืืื ืฉื, He only is going to rest in the ืืื that was made by Shem, which is by Yidden. ืืฃ ืขื ืื ืืืคืช ืืืงืื ืืืคืช, even though there's Yefet, the beauty for ืืคืช, ืืื ืืฉืืื ื ืืฉืืื ื ืฉืจืื ืืืืื ืฉื. Shechinah is only ืืืืื ืฉื, so therefore the second Beis HaMikdash, the Oibershter ืืืชืืืื said it's not going to be the Shechinah there. The same way, obviously, the Shechinah was there, but on a different level. Huh? I know, but there was I know, but with the reshut of of of Yefet, of the goyim, and that's that's why the Oibershter ืืืชืืืื it's not going to be. Who built the second Beis HaMikdash? Through the ืคืจืกืืื. So
obviously we're saying that ืคืจืกืืื are from ืืคืช. Rega, the Gemara: ืคืจืกืื ืื ืื ืืืืคืช? Also, how do we know they takeh come from ืืคืช? Huh? Yeah, we'll see. So the Gemara answers, ืืืชืื, it says like this: ืื ื ืืคืช, in pasuk it says the children of ืืคืช are ืืืืจ, ืืืื, ืืื, ืืื, ืชืืื, ืืฉื, ืืชืืจืก. Okay, who are they? So ืืืืจ ืื ืืจืืืื. Now, I don't know exactly these countries, maybe it's Germany, but in the English Gemara I see they have pictures and stuff, yeah. So that's ืืจืืืื. ืืืื ืื ืงื ืืื. I don't think it's Canada. Yeah, yeah. ืืื is ืืงืจืื ืื. Okay, is ืืงืจืื ืื. ืืื is ืืืฉืืขื, ืืื is Greece. ืชืืื is ืืืช ืืื ืืงื. ืืฉื is ืืืกืื. And ืชืืจืก, oh, ืคืืืื ืื ืจื ืกืืืื ืืจืื ื, Rav Simai and the Rabanan argue. ืืืจื, some say it was Rav Simin and the Rabanan argued, ืื ืืืจ ืื ืืืช ืชืจืืืงื, that ืชืืจืก is ืืืช ืชืจืืืงื, ืืื ืืืจ ืื ืคืจืก. That sounds like a town like Turkey. That's what the English guy says? Okay. And
one guy says it's takeh Paras, it's Persia. So Where? Where, what? Where? Kutim, you mean There's no Kutim now, Karaim, you mean. There's no Kutim, the Karaim, the Karaim. Yeah, the same, the philosophy is the same. I mean, the Rambam says they're Jews. Rambam says they're Jews, like this. If they're Jews, it's terrible, then they're mamzerim. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. And that's where the Karaim comes from them? I don't know, I don't know. The Rambam talked about the Karaim. Rambam held they're Jews, other people hold they're not. Yeah, yeah, that they made, yeah. Yeah, but it's written by by the head of the Karaim, but they're their Rav. ืืชื ืืฉืืจืืช. One of the No, ืืชื ืืฉืืจืืช is our ืืชื, the other one is What, as a mocker or the thing is from the Karaim? I don't know, he's fried out. Be sure be sure it doesn't sound right. No. Okay. Then he quotes another pasuk where it says, ืืื ื ืืืฉ ืกืื ืืืืืื ืืกืืชื ืืจืขืื ืืกืืชืื. What is that? ืชื ื ืจื ืืืกืฃ: also Tiras is Paras. Because we had before Tiras One of the opinions was Paras. Savta, Raamah, and ืกืืชืื, ืชื ื ืจื ืืืกืฃ. Savta is a grandmother. Yeah. So Rav Yosef says that is ืกืืืกืชืื, ืืืืกื, ืืกืืืกืชืื ืืจืืืชื. ืกืืืกืชืื and ืืืืกื... No, I'm sorry. It's ืกืืืกืชืื ืืืืกื, the inside one, and the the out outside one, and ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืคืจืกื, between one and the other is a hundred ืคืจืกื. ืืืืงืคื ืืืคื ืคืจืกื, the circumference, how much the all around is a thousand ืคืจืกื. Okay. They're just telling us the different things that are mentioned in Chumash by the creation or then by after the mabul, what it is really now. Then it says by Nimrod in ืืืืฉ, ืืชืื ืจืืฉืืช ืืืืืชื, the beginning of his malchut was in ืืื, ืืจื, ืืื, ืืื ื ืืืจืฅ ืฉื ืขืจ. These places. ืืื ืืืฉืืขื, ืืื is Bavel. Erech is ืืืจืืืืช. Akkad is ืืฉืืจ, ืืฉืืืจ, I don't know. Calneh is ื ืืคืจ ื ืื ืคื. Okay? Then when the pasuk says, ืื ืืืจืฅ ืืืื ืืฆื ืืฉืืจ, from that place came out ืืฉืืจ, ืชื ื ืจื ืืืกืฃ, ืจื ืืืกืฃ learned ืืฉืืจ ืื ืกืืืง. Okay? ืกืืืง. ืืืื ืืช ื ืื ืื, it says that he built ื ืื ืื, ืืืฉืืขื, ืคืฉืื ืืคืฉืืื he built Nineveh. Then it says it was another place called ืจืืืืืช ืขืืจ, ืื ืคืจืช ืืืืฉื, ืคืจืช of ืืืฉื. ืืช ืืื, ืคืจืช ืืืืจืกืืฃ. All these other places. Then it says ืืช ืจืกื, there was ืจืกื, ืืื ื ืื ืื ืืืื ืืื, between them, ืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืืืื, that's the big city. Now, Resen is Aktisfon. ืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืืืื, that is a big city, ืืื ื ืืืืข, we don't know which one it goes, ืื ื ืื ืื ืืขืืจ ืืืืืื or ืจืกื ืืขืืจ ืืืืืื. It says like this: Resen between Nineveh and Calah, she is the big city. So we don't know on which word it goes. Does it go on Nineveh or does it go on Resen? ืืฉืืื ืืืืจ, when it says in ืืื ื, ื ืื ืื ืืืชื ืขืืจ ืืืืื, ื ืื ืื is a big city, ืืื ืืืืจ, so we know ื ืื ืื ืืื ืืขืืจ ืืืืืื, that Nineveh was the big city. Okay. Since we're darsh'ing names of cities, so we're darsh'ing also names of people. It
says that in Hebron you had the four giants: Achiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, and their father, ืืืืื ืืขื ืง, children of the giant. Tana, we learned like this, he's going to darsh the names. Achiman is made is ืืืืื ืฉืืืืื, ืืื ืืืื. The right one of the brothers, means the strongest of all the brothers was Achiman. ืฉืฉื, ืฉืืฉืื ืืช ืืืจืฅ ืืฉืืชืืช. He was so big that when he would walk, he would make indentations in the ground. Yeah? He would like make holes in the ground just by every step he took. ืชืืื, ืฉืืฉืื ืืช ืืืจืฅ ืชืืืื ืชืืืื, so that when he would walk, he would make indentations in the ground and make What happens when you stick into the ground? That other parts become like mountains, mounds. He would make mounds in the ground. Then the next word davar acher doesn't make sense, so we say this that's supposed to be the ืืืจืกื... ืืืืจื ืืจืฉ, it's just telling you, not not another peshat in the name, just says ืืืืื ืื ื ืขื ืช, ืืืืื built a city called ืขื ืช. ืฉืฉื ืื ื ืืืืฉ, and ืชืืื ืื ื ืชืืืืฉ. Okay. Then it says they were ืืืืื ืืขื ืง, children of the giant, that means ืฉืืขื ืืงืื ืืช ืืืื ืืงืืืชื. They would they're so big that they would deepen the sun with their height. That means when they stood up, it looked like the sun was like a a necklace to them. Because they were so high, when you looked at it and the sun was there, it looked like the sun was around their their neck. It made it look like like there was like what is it, a necklace or something around their neck. Halo? Necklace, not a halo, necklace. So they lived in Hebron, but they still that they they made these other cities somewhere else? Yeah, they lived in Hebron, and these are the cities that they made, yeah. And who and who did they descend from again? These were the malachim or what? From Where did these come from? Where did these guys come from? From the malachim that fell, right? Fallen angels, yeah. Why did they fall? They complained. They said that the people are no good. So the Aibershter said, let's see what'll be with you guys. You come down and you'll see how you'll behave. And they came down, and they probably were even worse. Not probably, for sure they're worse. Why weren't they destroyed? Because they were so big? They were, yeah. They were I mean, these these four. Yeah, yeah. They were big, yeah. Hm? Yeah, yeah. Don't act. As a matter of fact, every day we say to ืืฉื, ืืื ืชืืืื ื ืืืื ื ืกืืื. Don't bring us to a test. Huh? So, who It says the offspring of the giant, so the father was the giant. They weren't necessarily giants. They were giants. Oh, they were also giants? He was he was the the giant. They were giants, small giants.
ืืืจ ืจืื ืืืืฉืข ืื ืืื, ืจืื ืืืืฉืข ืื ืืื said ืึธืึทืจ ืจึทืึดึผื in the name of ืจึถืึดึผื, ืขึฒืชึดืืึธื ืจืึนืึดื ืฉึถืืชึดึผืคึผืึนื ืึฐึผืึทื ืคึธึผืจึทืก, in the future Rome is going to fall into the hands of Persia. ืฉึถืื ึถึผืึฑืึทืจ, it says, ืึธืึตื ืฉึดืืึฐืขืึผ ืขึฒืฆึทืช ื' ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ืึธืขึทืฅ ืึถื ืึฑืืึนื ืึผืึทืึฐืฉึฐืืืึนืชึธืื ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ืึธืฉึทืื ืึถื ืืึนืฉึฐืืึตื ืชึตืืึธื, listen to the advice that ื' is thinking about ืึฑืืึนื and the thoughts ื' had on the people that live in ืชึตึผืืึธื, ืึดื ืึนื ืึดืกึฐืึธืืึผื ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื, that the ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื, the small one, the young ones of the of the sheep, is going to capture them. And he's hold that the young one of the sheep goes on Persia, so Persia is going to get Edom. When would this happen? Mashiach will come. Ten days late now. Are you in? Yeah, I hear. Yeah. ืึทืชึฐืงึตืืฃ ืึทืึผ ืจึทืึธึผื ืึทึผืจ ืขืึผืึธื, ืจึทืึธึผื ืืจ ืขืืื asked, ืึผืึดืึทึผืื, how do you know, ืึฐึผืึทืื ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื ืคึธึผืจึทืก ืืึผื, that it says they're going to fall into the hands of the young sheep, so that's obviously a mashal, what makes you think that the ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื goes on Persia, on Persia? So he says ืึดึผืึฐืชึดืื, because it says ืึธืึทืึดื, when it talks about Persia, it's like the ืึทืึดื, the ram, ืึฒืฉึถืืจ ืจึธืึดืืชึธ ืึทึผืขึทื ืึทืงึฐึผืจึธื ึธืึดื ืึทืึฐืึตื ืึธืึทื ืึผืคึธืจึธืก. The ram with the horns, this pasuk says this is a mashal to Madai, the kings of Madai and Persia. So we see that Persia is compared to an animal, and in fact an ืึทืึดื. And since before we're talking about ืฆึนืื, so it's a part of the ืฆึนืื, mimela it makes sense it should be Persia. Fregt di Gemara: ืึฐืึตืืึธื ืึธืึธื, maybe Greece, maybe Greece? ืึดึผืึฐืชึดืื, it says, ืึฐืึทืฆึธึผืคึดืืจ ืึทืฉึธึผืืขึดืืจ ืึถืึถืึฐ ืึธืึธื. So he's ืึทืฉึธึผืืขึดืืจ, which is also an animal, it's also like a bull, like a goat. Goat is Greece, so Greece could also be called ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื. Where is it? So, ืึดึผื ืกึฐืึตืืง ืจึทื ืึฒืึดืืึธื ืึทึผืจ ืกืึผืจึฐืึทืงึทื, when Rav Chaviva went up to ืึถืจึถืฅ ืึดืฉึฐืืจึธืึตื, ืึฒืึทืจ ืงึทืึตึผืืึผ ืึฐึผืึทืืึผื ืึตืจึทืึธึผื ึทื, he was talking with the chachamim there, he repeated this what he said and the kashya he asked, that the pasuk says ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื and he said it means Paras Paras, so they asked him a she'eilah, maybe it means Yavan? How do you know not? ืึฒืึทืจ ืึตืืึผ, so he said to him like this: ืึผืึทืื ืึฐึผืึธื ืึธืึทืข ืคึตึผืจืึผืฉึธืื ืึดึผืงึฐืจึธื ืึตืืชึตื ืชึฐึผืืึผืึฐืชึธึผื? You remember? The one that doesn't know ืคึฐึผืฉึทืื ืคึผึธืกืึผืง is asking kashyot? What kind of kashya is this? He doesn't know ืคึผืึนืฉึถืื ืคึฐึผืฉึทืื. ืึทืื ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื, what does ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื mean? ืืึผืึฐืจึธื ืึฐึผืึทืึตื, it means the youngest one of the brothers. And if you look before, we said that Yefet had a whole bunch of children, the last one is Tiras, and the talmid of Rav Yosef, Tiras is Paras. So Paras was the youngest. So when it says ืฆึฐืขึดืืจึตื ืึทืฆึนึผืื, the youngest, it means Paras, so we know that Rome is going to fall into the hands of Paras. Good deal. Mazal tov. No, no. Why not? Yeah. Well, anyway, they're getting nuke, all right. Not all right. It's huge. Nuclear. ืขึฒืชึดืืึธื They're getting nuke very soon. They're getting nuke from Rome. Could be here, because Rome conquered, conquered from far. But now Paras is going to get back to Rome. Because America is considered Edom, all right? America's that's what we would say, too. Rome, America will get caught. Christians, right? Of course, Christians and Arabs is the Muslims is Esav and Yishmael. So far, the Christians are here in America. All right. We could interpret it also like that. ืึธืึทืจ ืจึทืึธึผื ืึทึผืจ ืึทึผืจ ืึธื ึธื ืึธืึทืจ ืจึทืึดึผื ืืึนืึธื ึธื, Rabbah bar bar Chana in the name of ืจืื ืืืื ื ืืฉืื ืจึทืึดึผื ืึฐืืึผืึธื ืึทึผืจ ืจึทืึดึผื ืึดืืึฐืขึทืื, in the name of ืจืื ืืืืื ืืจ ืืืขืื, ืขึฒืชึดืืึธื ืจืึนืึดื ืฉึถืืชึดึผืคึผืึนื ืึฐึผืึทื ืคึธึผืจึทืก, that in the future, Rome is going to fall into the hands of ืคึธึผืจึทืก, ืงึทื ืึธืึนืึถืจ ืึดืึดึผืงึฐืึธึผืฉื ืจึดืืฉืืึนื, a kal vachomer from the first Beit HaMikdash. ืึผืึธื ืึดืงึฐืึธึผืฉื ืจึดืืฉืืึนื, what the first ืึตึผืืช ืึทืึดึผืงึฐืึธึผืฉื, ืฉึถืืึฐึผื ึธืืึผืืึผ ืึฐึผื ึตื ืฉึตืื, ืึฐึผื ึตื ืฉึตืื the Yidn built it, ืึฐืึถืึฑืจึดืืืึผืืึผ ืึทึผืฉึฐืืึดึผืื, and the Kasdim destroyed it, ื ึธืคึฐืืึผ ืึทึผืฉึฐืืึดึผืื ืึฐึผืึทื ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื, so the Kasdim fell into the hands of the Persiyim, because the ืึทึผืฉึฐืืึดึผืื destroyed it, so the ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื overtook them. ืึดืงึฐืึธึผืฉื ืฉึตืื ึดื ืฉึถืืึฐึผื ึธืืึผืืึผ ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื, the second one that the ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื built, ืึฐืึถืึฑืจึดืืืึผืืึผ ืจืึนืึดืึดึผืื, and the Romans built, destroyed it, ืึตืื ืึน ืึดืื ืฉึถืืึดึผืคึฐึผืืึผ ืจืึนืึดืึดึผืื ืึฐึผืึทื ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื? So it makes sense that the Romans should fall into the hands of the ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื. The ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื built the ืึตึผืืช ืึทืึดึผืงึฐืึธึผืฉื, Rome has destroyed it, so then the Romans should fall into the hands of the ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื. Okay, that's what he says. ืึธืึทืจ ืจึทื, ืจึทื also said, ืขึฒืชึดืืึธื ืคึธึผืจึทืก ืฉึถืืชึดึผืคึผืึนื ืึฐึผืึทื ืจืึนืึดื. He said the opposite. ืคึธึผืจึทืก is going to fall into the hands of Rome. ืึธืึฐืจืึผ ืึตืืึผ ืจึทื ืึธึผืึฒื ึธื ืึฐืจึทื ืึทืกึดื ืึฐืจึทื, so ืจึทื ืึธึผืึฒื ึธื and ืจึทื ืึทืกึดื said to ืจึทื, ืึธึผื ืึนื ืึฐึผืึทื ืกึฐืชืึนืจึตื? The one that built it should fall into the hands of the one that destroyed it? Mimeila the other way, you say the one that destroyed it will fall into the hands of the one that built it. But the one that built it should fall into the hands of the one that destroyed it? ืึธืึทืจ ืึฐืืึผ, he said, ืึดืื, yes. ืึฐึผืึตืจึทืช ืึถืึถืึฐ, yeah, we have no answer to this, the Eibershter wants it like that. Ika d'amrei, some say no, he answered them, ืึธืึทืจ ืึฐืืึผ, he said, ืึดืื ึฐืืึผ ื ึทืึตึผื ืงึธื ืกึธืชึฐืจึตื ืึตึผื ืึฐึผื ึดืืฉึฐืืชึธึผื. You think that the ืคึธึผืจึฐืกึดืึดึผืื only built the ืึตึผืืช ืึทืึดึผืงึฐืึธึผืฉื? They destroyed many shuls. So they're also destroyers, and a shul is a miniature ืึตึผืืช ืึทืึดึผืงึฐืึธึผืฉื. ืึฐืชึทื ึฐืึธื ื ึทืึตึผื ืึธืึดื, it says in a ืึฐึผืจึทืึฐืืชึธื, ืขึฒืชึดืืึธื ืคึธึผืจึทืก ืฉึถืืชึดึผืคึผืึนื ืึฐึผืึทื ืจืึนืึดื, that ืคึธึผืจึทืก is going to fall into the hands of Rome. Chada, one is because ืึฐึผืงึธื ืกึธืชึฐืจึตื ืึตึผื ืึฐึผื ึดืืฉึฐืืชึธึผื, like we said before, because they destroyed shuls, so Mimeila they deserve to fall into the hands of Rome, ืึฐืขืึนื ืึฐึผืึตืจึทืช ืึถืึถืึฐ, or it's a Gezeira of the ืืฒึทืึถึผืขืจึฐืฉึฐืืึถืขืจ, ืฉืืคืื ืืื ืื ืืื ืกืืชืจืื, that the ones that build the ืืืช ืืืงืืฉ should fall into the hands of the destroyers. ืืืืจ ืจื ืืืืื ืืืจ ืจื, who is saying in the name of ืจื, ืืื ืื ืืื ืื, ืืฉืื will not come ืขื ืฉืชืคืฉืื ืืืืืช ืจืืื ืชืฉืขื ืืืฉืื ืืื ืืขืืื ืืืื. For nine months the ืืืืืช of Rome is going to spread out throughout the whole world. Where do we get nine months? ืืชื ืื ืฉื ืืืจ, because it says, ืืื ืืชื ื ืขื ืขืช ืืืืื ืืืื, and then they'll give them till it's as long as the time as it takes to give birth, which is nine months. ืืืชืจ ืืืื ืืฉืืืื ืขื ืื ื ืืฉืจืื, and the other ones will come to the against the Yidden. But we see that how long will it take that they will be they will have it, it will take the time it takes to give birth, which is nine months. Who is Rome? What are we talking about, Rome? Could be United States, because So before the Mashiach comes? United States isn't a ืขืฉื? Yeah, but when we say that the Christians, they come from from Italy, from Rome, and they rule all over. So yeah, so then, but the main I don't know, we don't know exactly what. More than nine months. Does it mean that for nine months, they're going to rule the whole world? That's nine months already the whole world. Why do you think it's like that? You have a guy that sits here that's not from from Yishmael anyway, not from Esav anyway. Who? Obama? Yeah. You think he's from Yishmael? Huh? So it's closer to Mashiach because I mean, if you London is today They're making a they're trying to make a law They're all Philippines. Huh? Yeah, but I mean it's mamash the Gemara. Yeah, we don't know exactly what how what. Huh? Who? No, no, no. Who is? How is that Rome? I don't think it does But it's definitely not Rome, because Rome now is nothing. They are they are Where we're now in Galus Edom. What Galus Edom? What's Edom? What Galus Edom? Where are we in galus now? Edom, which These are mostly in the are in America, right? That's the reason Now another modern Eretz Yisrael. I'm talking about the outside of Eretz Yisrael. Where's been the next place? There's more Jews in Eretz Yisrael than in America? Yeah. Now. Now. Really? Yes. Anyway,
ืชื ื ืจืื ื, it says by mezuzah, you have to put it up, ืืืืื ืืืชื ืืืฉืขืจืื. ืืืฉืขืจืื, ืืื ืฉืขืจื ืืชืื, whether it's the gates of a house, ืืื ืฉืขืจื ืืฆืจืืช, the gates of a yard, ืืื ืฉืขืจื ืืืื ืืช, the gates of a country, ืืืื ืฉืขืจื ืขืืืจืืช, or the gates of a city, ืืฉ ืืื ืืืืช ืืฆืื ืืืงืื, you have a chovah to do the mitzvah for the Eibershter of ืืืืื, ืฉื ืืืจ, it says, ืืืชืืชื ืขื ืืืืืืช ืืืชื ืืืฉืขืจืื, write them on the doorposts of your house and of your gates. ืฉืขืจื ืืืื ื, what does it mean? Some places have a They have a wall and a gate, yeah. ืืืื ื ืืืื ื doesn't mean like a whole country like the United States. It's like like a somewhere like a county. Where is there a gate? We don't have. We don't have nothing in our wall. But in those days, they did.