Likkutei Sichos, Vol. 20: Parshas Toldos (Part 4)
Locating, within the Avos themselves, the source of a Yid's struggle to conquer the yetzer hara.
Part of Likkutei Sichos: Volume 20 · 29:54
After establishing that Esav's later choices don't explain his inborn nature, this shiur works out why Yitzchak's household could produce a child naturally drawn to avodah zarah while Yishmael, born to Hagar, ended up a goy. The resolution rests on maaseh avos siman labanim understood as a real transmission of koach: every form of avodah a Yid has must exist somewhere in the Avos, and the Rambam's two categories, the chassid hameula who wants only good and the one who must conquer his yetzer hara, point toward Esav as the necessary source of the second.
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As on the 拽砖讬讗, how can we say that 讜讬讙讚诇讜 讛谞注专讬诐, that also 注砖讜 became big 讘专讜讞谞讬讜转, when in his mother's stomach he was already going to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛? So, the 专讘讬 started answering the 砖讗诇讛 by asking another 拽砖讬讗. A lot of times you answer a 砖讗诇讛 with another 砖讗诇讛. So, that's a 住讚专 by 讗讬讚谉: you answer a question with a question. So, the 专讘讬 asked a very strong question, and that's going to lead us up to answer the first question. The question, the strong question the 专讘讬 asks is: How is it possible that 注砖讜, who is a son of 讬爪讞拽 and 专讘拽讛, should naturally have in himself an inclination to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛? How could it be? 讬爪讞拽 was one of the 讗讘讜转, 讛讗讘讜转 讛谉 讛谉 讛诪专讻讘讛. 诪专讻讘讛 means completely 讘讟诇 to 讗诇拽讜转, completely a 诪爪讬讗讜转 of 讗诇拽讜转, completely a 诪爪讬讗讜转 of 拽讚讜砖讛. So, how could a child of his, which comes from him, have a 谞讟讬讛 to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 naturally? And the 专讘讬 continued, we're holding in the last, the last paragraph of the page, 讚讗住 讜讜讗住 注砖讜 讗讬讝 讚注专谞讗讱 讗讜讬住讙注讜讜讗拽住谉 讗 专砖注, 讗讬讝 拽讬讬谉 拽砖讬讗 谞讬砖讟. The fact that the fact later on he became a 专砖注, he grew up to be a 专砖注, that's not a 拽砖讬讗. \"I, how could that happen? He was a son of 讬爪讞拽?\" 讜拽诇拽诇 讘诪注砖讬讜. He himself ruined it. 讬注讚注专 诪注谞讟砖 讗讬讝 讗 讘注诇 讘讞讬专讛 爪讜 驻讬专谉 讝讬讱 讜讜讬 注专 讜讜讬诇. Every person has free choice. He could do what he wants. No more The 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 doesn't force him to do good. The 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 tells him to do good. The 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 tells him, \"If you don't good, do good, I'll punish you.\" That, yeah. But he doesn't not allow him to do bad. And he doesn't push his hand to do good and doesn't stop his hand from doing bad. Everyone, the 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 gave free choice. 讜诪诪讬诇讗, since there's free choice, 讗讜谉 注砖讜 讛讗讟 讘讜讞专 讙注讜讜注谉, 注砖讜 chose, let's skip the parentheses just one second, 爪讜 诪拽诇拽诇 讝讬讬谉 讘诪注砖讬讜, that he should be he should behave bad, 注砖讜 chose it. So that's not a 拽砖讬讗: How could 讬爪讞拽's son be a 专砖注? 讬爪讞拽's son 注砖讜 had free choice. And unfortunately, we find fine people who have children who choose 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐 to not do the right thing. We find 爪讚讬拽讬诐 who had children, grandchildren, not to be not to do the right thing. It's not a It's not a 拽砖讬讗. And the 专讘讬 just in the parentheses gives a 砖讟讬拽诇 讜讜讗专讟: What made him choose to do 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛, to be bad? Could be 诪驻谞讬 讛住讘讬讘讛, because of his environment, 讛讻谞注谞讬 讗砖专 讗谞讻讬 讬讜砖讘 讘拽专讘讜, that he lived among the 讻谞注谞讬诐, so that pushed him. Or 讙注讛讗讟 爪讜 讟讗谉 诪讬讟 谞诪专讜讚'谉, he had dealings with 谞诪专讜讚. 谞诪专讜讚 was a terrible guy. So, you know, it says a lot of things you could take from your friends, which is very important. I remember my brother went to 讬砖讬讘讛 the first time away from home. We used to live in Cleveland, and my brother was 讘专 诪爪讜讛 and he went to New York to learn in 讬砖讬讘讛 in Bedford Avenue, in 诇讬讜讘讗讜讜讬讟砖注专 讬砖讬讘讛. So before my father sent him, he was on 讬讞讬讚讜转, he asked the 专讘讬. So the 专讘讬 said, \"Find out what kind of classes there.\" And the 专讘讬 told him, \"It's more important to know what kind of 讞讘专讬诐 he'll have than what kind of teachers he is going to have.\" You can have a very good teacher, but if the friends are no good, then it's a problem. You got like to be careful with that. So 注砖讜 maybe he had friends, he was involved with 谞诪专讜讚, and we know that he went to the forest, to this, he went to hunt and he got involved with 谞诪专讜讚. He actually killed 谞诪专讜讚 later, but he got involved, so maybe that had a 讛砖驻注讛 on him. So there are reasons what made it. Okay, let's finish the paragraph now. 讚讗住 讗讬讝 讗讘注专 诪注砖讬讜, that's his thing, what he did. 讚讬 诪注砖讬诐 讜讜讗住 注专 讛讗讟 讘讘讞讬专转讜 讜讜讗住 注专 讘讘讞讬专转讜 讚讜专讻讚注诐 诪拽诇拽诇 讙注讜讜注谉. He chose to behave bad. That's his thing. 住'讗讬讝 谞讬砖讟 讙注拽讜诪注谉 驻讜谉 讬爪讞拽 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐. It didn't come from 讬爪讞拽. 讬爪讞拽 had nothing to do with 注砖讜's bad behavior, 谞讗专 讻讚讬讜拽 诇砖讜谉 讞讝\"诇. 讞讝\"诇 say 讬爪讞拽 砖讬爪讗 诪诪谞讜 注砖讜. The 诇砖讜谉 in 讙诪专讗 is that 讬注拽讘 was different than 讗讘专讛诐 and 讬爪讞拽: 讗讘专讛诐, 讬爪讗 诪诪谞讜 讬砖诪注讗诇. 讬爪讞拽, 讬爪讗 诪诪谞讜 注砖讜. And 讬注拽讘, 诪讬讟转讜 砖诇讬诪讛, all the children were good. But 讞住讬讚讜转 讟讬讬讟砖讟, 讬爪讗 诪诪谞讜 means that 注砖讜 came out of him. 讞住讬讚讜转 讟讬讬讟砖讟, 讬爪讗 means he left him. He separated himself from from 讬爪讞拽. Which the 专讘讬 is trying to use this as a expression: 讬爪讞拽 had nothing to do with his behavior, 讗讚专讘讛. His bad behavior came because he went away from 讬爪讞拽. Not only physically in space, he went away from 讬爪讞拽's 讚专讱. That's why he says 讬爪讞拽 讬爪讗 诪诪谞讜 注砖讜, 注砖讜 讗讬讝 讗专讜讬住 讗讜谉 讝讬讱 讗驻讙注讟讬讬诇讟, 讬爪讗 讜谞驻专讚 驻讜谉 转讞讜诐 砖诇 讬爪讞拽. He left the 转讞讜诐, he left the the place of 讬爪讞拽, and he became. So 讬爪讞拽 had nothing, so you can't ask a 拽砖讬讗: How did 讬爪讞拽 have a bad son like 注砖讜? 注砖讜 is, he chose. I just want to mention, it's a strange way the 专讘讬 puts it here, when he says he chose, 专讘讬谞讜 讘讞讬讬 讙讬讟 讗谉, and here he says, why did he choose? So the 专讘讬 puts in a few possibilities: what made him choose? Because of his environment, because of the 讻谞注谞讬诐 that lived there, because he had dealings with 谞诪专讜讚. This is practical. The 专讘讬 is saying a practical thing. What happened there? He went out to hunt and he met up with bad friends, and it could happen, and he chose. But in 注谞讬谉, whenever we talk about 讘讞讬专讛, a person having free choice, we always 讟讬讬讟砖 free choice means that there is nothing on the outside that's pushing you. Every 讗讬讚 has free choice, there's nothing that's pushing. That means that even though you have something that could be pushing from one side, you still have free choice that they're both equal. Free choice means there is nothing that's making it happen. That's a famous 拽砖讬讗 we always have: how could you say a person has free choice and when a person chooses to to do bad let's say is because of his own choice, when in 讚专讱 讛讟讘注, ask psychologists, the reason is because of different reasons, because of the school he went to, because of the friends that he had, because of the things that he saw, things from the outside that pushed him to do it. They even claim, I don't know if it's true, that even because of his 讻砖专讜谞讜转, if you'd have two brothers, twins, of exactly the same heads, and learn at the same school, and have exact same friends, and everything the same, they will choose the same thing. Why do you have two brothers, or even twins, that one chooses this 讚专讱 and one chooses this 讚专讱? Because he went to this school, and he went to this school, and he got these friends, and he had these friends, and that's why they pulled him. So 讘讗诪转, it seems like this is when we say every 讗讬讚 has 讘讞讬专讛 讞驻砖讬转, even we say a 爪讚讬拽 讙诪讜专 has 讘讞讬专讛 讞驻砖讬转, has free choice. What do you mean has free- a 爪讚讬拽 讙诪讜专 has free choice? He's raised as a 爪讚讬拽, he lives as a 爪讚讬拽. So it's one of the things that's not understood, 驻砖讟 free choice. A 专砖注 has free choice? Free choice means they're both equal sides, and there's nothing pushing you, and you have choice. A 专砖注 who was raised all his life, I'm not talking about somebody who doesn't even- even someone who knows better, but he lived his life, this is his 转讗讜讛. So him to to to not be 讞讝讬专 is not necessarily free choice, not equal choice, he tastes, he likes it, this 转讗讜讛, and that's how he was trained. So we always ask that 砖讗诇讛, and it's hard to explain how is it free choice. They always ask, how do you say free choice when there's everything is dependent on your environment, everything dependent on outside things, and that's what you choose whether to do good or bad? And nevertheless, we say every 讗讬讚 has free choice. The answer is how does he have free choice, because of his 谞砖诪讛? This is a separate subject, and I'm not going to get into this now. Maybe at one point we'll try to discuss it, but I don't know if I can, because I myself am not clear in understanding this whole concept of free choice. Also, what's the 讞讬诇讜拽 between the free choice by a 讗讬讚 and by a 讙讜讬? Does a 讙讜讬 have choice? Always we always know, a 讗讬讚 has 讘讞讬专讛 讞驻砖讬转, a 讙讜讬 doesn't. What do you mean a 讙讜讬 doesn't have- a 讙讜讬 doesn't have free choice? So whatever a 讙讜讬 does, the 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 makes him do? So all these 专砖注讬诐 讬诪讞 砖诪诐 讜讝讻专诐 they won't be punished? The 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 won't punish them? Why? Because they didn't do it on their own? Whatever they did is is 诪谉 讛砖诪讬诐, and they're pushed to it? How could you say that? So they definitely have choice. The 专诪讘状诐 uses that as a logical little reason to prove there is free choice. Because the 专诪讘状诐 says, if you're not going to say there's free choice, how does the 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 punish a person for doing bad? How does the 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 reward somebody for doing good? If you're like a robot, and what you think, you think you're choosing, but really you're not, so what are you rewarded for for choosing good? You didn't choose it. The 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 pushed you. Or punish for bad. So it must be a 讙讜讬 has choice. The 诇砖讜谉 that says in 住驻专讬诐 is he doesn't have free choice, which I have no idea what that means, has choice but not free choice. And then this whole choice is- but here, I guess the 专讘讬 is using it 驻砖讜讟 in a practical sense, not in the in 讙讚专 of the philosophy of 讘讞讬专讛, he's just saying 驻砖讜讟 let's look at it from a 讘注诇志讛讘转讬砖 point of view. 注砖讜 lived amongst 讙讜讬诐, he lived among bad people, and somehow he got involved with them and he he chose bad. And that 讬爪讞拽 has nothing to do with it, yeah. We answer the we answer the question that that's why we can't blame it on 讬爪讞拽, because because 注砖讜 chose to go. But what about the traits? He had the traits from the beginning. That's the question! No, that's we didn't finish the 拽砖讬讗 yet. So the 专讘讬 said that my 砖讗诇讛 he started off by asking is, how could it be that in his mother's stomach naturally he had a a a 谞讟讬讛 to bad, when he's 讬爪讞拽's son? 诪讬诇讗 he said is that he became bad, that's the whole thing he says, that's not a 拽砖讬讗. He chose to be bad, that's his choice, and finished. 讚讗 讝讗讙讟 诪注谉 讗讘注专, let's go 讜讜讬讬讟注专, here we're saying, 讗讝 谞讗讱 讗讬讬讚注专 注专 讗讬讝 讙注讘讜讬专谉 讙注讜讜讗专谉, before he was born, 讚讗住 讛讬讬住讟 谞讗讱 驻讗专谉 讗驻讟讬讬诇谉 讝讬讱 驻讜谉 讚注专 驻讗专讘讜谞讚谞拽讬讬讟 诪讬讟 讬爪讞拽 讗讜谉 专讘拽讛, before he separated himself from 讬爪讞拽 and 专讘拽讛. 讬爪讞拽 is a parenthesis, but 讬爪讞拽 is in in in 注谞讬谉, but 专讘拽讛 is physically, he 驻砖讜讟 was not separated from 专讘拽讛, he was part of 专讘拽讛's body. So even at that point, 讛讗讟 注专 讝讬讱 砖讜讬谉 讙注爪讜讬讙谉 爪讜 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛. He was still pulled to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛. That means that was inborn in him. And where did he get it from? Whatever he had, he got from his parents. Later on, there's more than his parents. He does his own things. Later on, you do what you want, so that's what he want. But before you're born, you don't do what you want, there's no you. All you have is what you were given by your parents. So he only had what he was given by 讬爪讞拽 and 专讘拽讛. So what did he have, 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛? A pull to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛, how's that possible? 讜注讚 讻讚讬 讻讱, and so much 讗讬讝 讚讗住 讘讬讬 讗讬诐 讙注讜讜注谉 讗讬讬谞讙注讜讜讗专爪诇讟, so much was it enrooted in him, 讘讬讝 讚讗住 讛讗讟 讙讜专诐 讙注讜讜注谉, 拽讜拽 谞讗讱 讗讬谉 讝讜讛专, 讗讝 注专 讝讗诇 讝讬讱 驻讬专谉 爪讜 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 讘讙讚诇讜转讜. The 讝讜讛专 says that the reason later he did 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 was because in his mother's stomach he was had 谞讟讬讛 to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛. That means his connection to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 before he was born yet is so strong that that later on pushed him to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛. How did he get this? Where did he get this from? Born from 讬爪讞拽 and 专讘拽讛, children of They were born, 注砖讜 and 讬注拽讘 were definitely born with the greatest 拽讚讜砖讛 that you could imagine of a 爪讚讬拽, 爪讚讬拽 like 讗讘专讛诐, a 爪讚讬拽 like 讬爪讞拽, and 讘讻诇诇, like I explained yesterday, everything that comes from a 爪讚讬拽 is only good and is a 诪专讻讘讛 and there's nothing bad there. So where did he get this from? How did it get into him? 讗 诪讜专讗'讚讬拽注 拽砖讬讗. His father was 讬爪讞拽. So? But it should have been 谞驻住拽. You could say even more by 专讘拽讛, 专讘拽讛's father was 讘转讜讗诇, also a pretty bad guy. But no, but that's This is punishment, this is not this is a 谞讟讬讛 in the person. 专讘拽讛 herself definitely had no 谞讟讬讛 to 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛, had nothing. She was a 诪专讻讘讛 to 讗诇讜拽讜转. See, the truth is, in medicine or whatever they say, that sometimes things which are in the genes skip a generation. Even 讘讙砖诪讬讜转, you see a child is born with red hair, both parents are dark hair, how did he get red hair? Because the grandfather was, ay, so it skips a generation, that's sometimes. Also 诇讙讘讬 讻砖专讜谞讜转 as they say, 诇讙讘讬 talents, you could have parents which are both 讜讜讗诇讚讬拽注 heads and the child is a 砖讜讜讗讻注 head, don't forget you have two parents with 砖讜讜讗讻注 heads and the child could have a good head. So sometimes whatever the 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 has his reasons, but sometimes it comes because the grandparents were like that, so it jumps. But in this case I don't think it could jump because we're talking about somebody who doesn't have in themselves anything bad. Whatever bad came from the previous generation is lost. 转专讞 is off. 讘转讜讗诇, when it came to 专讘拽讛, she gave up and there is no connection anymore to her father or whatever, it's 讗讜讬住, it didn't exist anymore. So all she had was good, all 讬爪讞拽 had was good, here you have a child which is bad. 讘注爪诐, 讘讟讘注, not that he chose to be bad. So a 诪讜专讗'讚讬拽注 拽砖讬讗, meaning you ask this 拽砖讬讗 to people, they stop to think, yeah, how is how's that possible? They should be could grow bad, 讘注爪诐, 讘讟讘注. Therefore all the 爪讚讬拽讬诐 who had children who are there were stories of 爪讚讬拽讬诐 who had children or grandchildren, well in our generation the 驻专讬注专讚讬拽注专 专讘讬's grandson was far from being a 爪讚讬拽. And it's a 驻诇讗, you know. Oh, the extreme has a 讞住专讜谉? Doesn't say it's a 讞住专讜谉, it says 讬砖诪注讗诇 took the 讞住讚 of 讗讘专讛诐 and used it for 拽诇讬驻讛, and 注砖讜 took the 讙讘讜专讛 of 讬爪讞拽 and used it for 拽诇讬驻讛, yeah. So he used it. He had in himself the 诪讚讛 of 讙讘讜专讛, true. 注砖讜 had the 诪讚讛 of 讙讘讜专讛, 讬砖诪注讗诇 had the 诪讚讛 of 讞住讚, but he used it for bad. Where does it say 讬砖诪注讗诇 was in his mother's stomach naturally bad? He became bad, you never know what he did later, yeah, that's what you say, bad there's no problem. The 砖讗诇讛 is in the mother's stomach, before he had any 讘讞讬专讛, before he did anything on his own, when it was just what he was given by his parents, how was he given something bad? There's a 诇砖讜谉 in You mean when the 讙诪专讗 says that 诇讙讘讬 讬爪讞拽 and 讗讘专讛诐 there's a 驻讙诐? You see, the 讙诪专讗 says 讘谞讜讙注 when 诪砖讬讞 will come, they're going to ask 讗讘专讛诐 to 讘注谞讟砖, when they have the 住注讜讚讛 with the 诇讜讬转谉, 讗讘专讛诐 is going to say, \"I can't 讘注谞讟砖, I have a problem, something wrong, I have a son 讬砖诪注讗诇.\" 讬爪讞拽 says, \"I have a son 注砖讜.\" 讬注拽讘, well he is have a different problem, married two sisters, whatever. But so you're asking why is this a 驻讙诐 on them? It doesn't mean it's a 驻讙诐 in their 诪讚专讙讛. It's just that something bad came out of them. He's their son. No, but by 讬砖诪注讗诇 it doesn't say that. So it's not like a 驻讙诐 in them in their 注讘讜讚讛. It's 驻砖讜讟 let's put it this way, not nice. People will say, you know, this guy, look at the what kind of child he had. When it says by a by a 讘转 讻讛谉, who remembers the 驻住讜拽?
讘转 讻讛谉 讻讬 转讞诇 诇讝谞讜转, if a daughter of a 讻讛谉 is 诪讝谞讛, what's the punishment? 讘讗砖 转砖专祝. 砖专讬驻讛. Why? 讗转 讗讘讬讛 讛讬讗 诪讞诇诇转. She's 诪讞诇诇, she desecrates her father. So 专砖状讬 says, how? People are going to say, they're going to curse and say, look, cursed is this person who gave birth to such a daughter. So it's not because say it's his fault. But 诇驻讜注诇, it's people are going to reflect it that way. It doesn't say that it's really his fault. But here it must be the fault because it's in the stomach. So it's somebody's fault. Was 注砖讬讜 Jewish? Was 讬砖诪注讗诇 Jewish? So the 专讘讬 brings from the 讙诪专讗, 讬砖诪注讗诇 is a 讙讜讬 and 注砖讬讜 is a Jew. The 讙诪专讗 says 注砖讬讜 讬砖专讗诇 诪讜诪专 讛讜讛. 注砖讬讜 is a Jew. The question is what's the difference? So one 驻砖讟 the 专讘讬 says in one place, later in another place he says differently. Look at the mother. Who was the mother of 讬砖诪注讗诇? 讛讙专. Who was the mother of of 注砖讬讜? 专讘拽讛. So that's why 注砖讬讜 was a 讬砖诪注讗诇 was a 讙讜讬 and 注砖讬讜 was a Jew. Huh? 讗讘专讛诐 kept the whole 转讜专讛, how could he marry a 讙讜讬讛? She was 诪讙讬讬专. But the 讙讬讜专 before 诪转谉 转讜专讛 didn't he did he did 讙讬讜专, so 诇讙讘讬 讚讬谞讬 转讜专讛 it was, but the 诇诪注砖讛 the 讙讬讜专 didn't change the person because it was before 诪转谉 转讜专讛. So 讬砖诪注讗诇 was born from a 讙讬讜专转, but the 讙讬讜专转 at that time was they went through 讙讬讜专, but it didn't affect, didn't affect because there was no such thing as 讙讬讜专. Huh? She was 专讘拽讛. Why is 讗讘专讛诐 Jewish? 讗讘专讛诐 went through 讙讬讜专. So whatever made 讗讘专讛诐 into a Jew made 专讘拽讛 into a Jew. And 讛讙专, it didn't happen to. So we have this 砖讗诇讛. The 拽砖讬讗 is a very strong 拽砖讬讗, but interesting enough the 转讬专讜抓 is also a very 讙注砖诪讗拽注 转讬专讜抓. There's a 诇砖讜谉 the 专讘讬 quoted a few times from the 诇拽讜讟讬 转讜专讛 where it says, 讗 讚讬 讛讗址 拽讜砖讬讗 讟讜讘, I think that's the 诇砖讜谉, 讜讛转讬专讜抓 谞讻讜谉. It's a good 拽砖讬讗, but that's a nice good 转讬专讜抓. It's a nice 拽砖讬讗, good 转讬专讜抓, somewhere one of those two. Anyway the the 讘讬讗讜专 that the 专讘讬 gives here is an interesting 讘讬讗讜专 how 注砖讬讜 was 讘注爪诐 讘讟讘注 bad. The 讘讬讗讜专 讘讝讛, says
讬讚讜注 讘注谞讬谉 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 住讬诪谉 诇讘谞讬诐, we know concerning this concept of 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 住讬诪谉 诇讘谞讬诐, which normally means part not normally, 驻砖讟 驻砖讜讟 means, like I said last time, whatever happened to the 讗讘讜转, we know it's going to happen to the children, but it means more. 讗讝 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 is a 谞转讬谞转 讻讞 of that 注讘讜讚讛 for the 讘谞讬诐, for the 讬讬讚谉. That whatever happened to the 讗讘讜转, that gave the children, the 讬讬讚谉 the power of doing their 注讘讜讚讛. Everything that 讬讬讚谉 do comes from the 讗讘讜转. 讚注专驻讜谉 讗讬讝 诪讜讘谉, so understand from this, 讗讝 讗诇注 讗讜驻谞讬 注讘讜讚转 讛砖诐, that all types of things that are there in the way we serve 讛砖诐, 讜讜讗住 讝注谞注谉 驻讗专讗谉 讘讬讬 讚讬 讘谞讬诐, that's there by the children, which means by the 讬讬讚谉, 讝注谞注谉 讗讜讬讱 驻讗专讗谉 讘讗讜驻谉 砖诇 住讬诪谉 注诇 讻诇 驻谞讬诐 讘诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转, is already there in the 讗讘讜转. In other words, any type of 注讘讜讚讛 that we find by 讬讬讚谉, we must it must be some place in the 讗讘讜转. Because if it wouldn't be in the 讗讘讜转, we wouldn't be able to have it because the 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 is the 住讬诪谉. So there it's in a different level, a different form, it's only in this like it says in the level of a 住讬诪谉, but there has to be something in the 讗讘讜转 for every type of 注讘讜讚讛 that we have. Now just to to give it away, and before we get into the details, and I just want to tell you the 谞拽讜讚讛 to to make it easier to know what we're trying to reach. Let's put it this way, by 讬讬讚谉 we have two general types of 注讘讜讚讛: 注讘讜讚转 讛爪讚讬拽讬诐 and 注讘讜讚转 讘注诇讬 转砖讜讘讛. You have 爪讚讬拽讬诐 and 讘注诇讬 转砖讜讘讛. If the 讗讘讜转 were all 爪讚讬拽讬诐, where do we get the 注讘讜讚转 讛转砖讜讘讛 by 讬讬讚谉? Where is it found in the 讗讘讜转 the 注谞讬谉 of 转砖讜讘讛? The 讗讘讜转 didn't do 转砖讜讘讛, they didn't do 注讘讬专讜转 so they didn't do 转砖讜讘讛. And since there is another 讚专讱 of 转砖讜讘讛, or as we'll bring from the 砖诪讜谞讛 驻专拽讬诐 诇专诪讘状诐, more different than 转砖讜讘讛, but someone who has to fight his 讬爪专 讛专注, there are two types of people. Some people don't have to fight the 讬爪专, and they There's some nature of 讗讬讚谉, they're they're much much better and they it's easier for them to do everything right. There are some people have a big 讬爪专 讛专注 and they have to fight. The 讗讘讜转 didn't have a big 讬爪专 讛专注, they didn't have to fight. So where did the 讗讬讚谉 get this concept, the 讻讞 of this idea of having to fight the 讬爪专 讛专注 and being able to fight? Must be someplace in the 讗讘讜转. So there had to be in the 讗讘讜转, there had to be in the 讗讘讜转 something that there is a big 讬爪专 讛专注, and you have the 讻讞 to fight it, and then later by the 讗讬讚谉 it comes out that the 讗讬讚谉 have this 注讘讜讚讛 because it comes from the 讗讘讜转. Where do we have such a thing? This is 注砖讜. 注砖讜 was born, the 讗讬讬讘注专砖讟注专 put in special lust, big 讬爪专 讛专注. Why? Hoping, not hoping, giving him the 讻讞 and expecting 注砖讜 to be a 讘注诇 转砖讜讘讛. Not a 讘注诇 转砖讜讘讛 because he didn't do 注讘讬专讜转, 注砖讜 to be a person who fights his 讬爪专 讛专注. In order to have that 注谞讬谉 of 讻讜讘砖 讗转 讬爪专讜, you have to have a person who has a 讬爪专 讛专注. So this is part of the 讗讘讜转. It's part of the 讚专讱. We'll learn inside. I mean you can ask me 砖讗诇讜转 now cuz I just said in the 谞拽讜讚转 讛注谞讬谉, just to get you what you're thinking. Huh? Experimenting is giving 讻讞. Experimenting is he's let's see what will happen. It's not let's see what will happen. He gave him the 讻讞, that's from here it should turn out later on that the 讗讬讚谉 should be able to do that. Let's learn inside. So since 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 住讬诪谉 诇讘谞讬诐 means whatever happens to the children has to come from the 讗讘讜转.
The 专诪讘状诐 in 砖诪讜谞讛 驻专拽讬诐 讗讬讝 诪讘讗专 讘讗专讜讻讛, the 专诪讘状诐 in 砖诪讜谞讛 驻专拽讬诐 explains at length, 讘讬谉 爪讜讜讬讬 讗讜驻谞讬 注讘讜讚讛, he says there are two types of 注讘讜讚讛. One he calls 讛讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛. 讛讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛 means a big 讞住讬讚, a 讞住讬讚 that's on top, that's good. But the title 讞住讬讚 nowadays is a title if you're a 讞住讬讚 of this 专讘讬 or a 讞住讬讚 of this 专讘讬. That's not really what a 讞住讬讚 is. A 讞住讬讚 in 讙诪专讗 is a title on a person like a 爪讚讬拽. As a matter of fact, a 讞住讬讚 is a higher title than 爪讚讬拽. A 讞住讬讚 is a higher 诪讚专讙讛. When the 讙诪专讗 says 诪注砖讛 讘讞住讬讚 讗讞讚, it means a person who was in a 诪讚专讙讛 higher than a 爪讚讬拽. In our, I mean, the last 200 years became that if you're a 讞住讬讚, became 讞住讬讚讬诐 and you're a 讞住讬讚 of this 专讘讬, but a 讞住讬讚 is not that. As a matter of fact, in the lifetime of the 讜讜讬诇谞注专 讙讗讜谉, nowadays he's known or later he is known as the 讙讗讜谉, when you say 住转诐 the 讙讗讜谉 it means the 讜讜讬诇谞注专 讙讗讜谉. 讘砖注转讜, when he was alive, in his city in 讜讜讬诇谞注, they didn't call him the 讙讗讜谉. What did they call him? The 讞住讬讚! Actually, if you see when they write about him, 讛拽讚诪讛 to the 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱 where you have it, 讘讬讗讜专 讛讙专状讗, so they always refer to him as 讛讞住讬讚. Because a 讞住讬讚 is a 驻住拽 讙注讜讜讗诇讚讬拽注 title. Where do we see the 诪注诇讛 that a 讞住讬讚 is greater than a 爪讚讬拽? In one 讛诇讻讛. When someone asked the 讗诇讟注专 专讘讬, what's the 注谞讬谉 of a 讞住讬讚? So the 讗诇讟注专 专讘讬 answered by a 讙诪专讗. With the? With the nails. The 讙诪专讗 says there are three types of people. There's a 专砖注, there's a 爪讚讬拽, and there's a 讞住讬讚. A 专砖注, when he cuts his nails, what does he do with it? Just leaves them around. A 爪讚讬拽 will bury them, and a 讞住讬讚 will burn them. And the reason is cuz it says that if a person burns part of his body, something that was part of your body, it is dangerous. How, what, when, I don't know, but if you burn, it's dangerous. But then on the other hand it says that if a pregnant woman steps over cut nails, she could miscarry. So a 专砖注 doesn't care. Just drops the nails. Who cares, a lady will walk over, something will happen to her, who cares? A 爪讚讬拽 cares, that's why he doesn't want to leave it around. So he'll bury it to make sure it's not around. A 讞住讬讚 will not be satisfied with burying it, because you know even though you bury it, but maybe a dog will come and pick it up. So a 讞住讬讚 will burn it. And that greatness of a 讞住讬讚 is that even though burning part of something that was part something was part of your body is dangerous, so he puts his life in danger, life, it's not life, but puts himself in danger in order not to put somebody else in danger. That's a 讞住讬讚, but that's a higher 讚专讙讛 than a 爪讚讬拽. So a 讞住讬讚 is a high 讚专讙讛. So the 专诪讘状诐 says there are certain people who are in the category of a 讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛. And he 讟讬讬讟砖讟 讗讝讜讬: 讜讜讗住 讗讬讝 诪诇讻转讞讬诇讛 诪转讗讜讛 谞讗专 爪讜 讟讜讘, is a 讞住讬讚. All he desires, the only thing he wants is good. That's how his nature is, that's how he is. 讗讜谉 there's another type of guy, it's called 讛讻讜讘砖 讗转 讬爪专讜. He has to conquer his 讬爪专 讛专注. 讜讜注诇讻注专 讗讬讝 诪转讗讜讛 诇驻注讜诇讜转 讛专注讜转, a person who has the 转讗讜讛 to do bad things, the 讬讻讘讜砖 讗转 讬爪专讜, and conquers his 讬爪专 讛专注. That's a different 诪讚专讙讛. He conquers his 讬爪专 讛专注. He has to fight with his 讬爪专 讛专注. Now everybody has a little bit of a 讬爪专 讛专注, but not everybody so much. Even a 爪讚讬拽, in 转谞讬讗 it says a 爪讚讬拽 killed his 讬爪专 讛专注, but nevertheless, the 专讘讬 always used to use this 诇砖讜谉 that even a 爪讚讬拽 who's 119 years old, so you can imagine it, but and the his last day of his life, he still says 讘专讻讜转 in the morning, and in the 讘专讻讜转 we say one of the things, 讜讗诇 转讘讬讗谞讜 诇讬讚讬 谞住讬讜谉, don't bring me to a test because I never know, I don't know if I'll I'll pass the test. What do you mean you don't know if you'll pass the test? You're a 爪讚讬拽 for at last 120 years 讻诪注讟. No, you never know, you never might not pass the test. So that's 讟讗拽注 true with that, but 讘讗讜驻谉 讻诇诇讬 it says in 转谞讬讗 a 爪讚讬拽 doesn't have a 讬爪专 讛专注. So this first guy basically, the 讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛, is a person who doesn't, killed his 讬爪专 讛专注, doesn't have a 讬爪专 讛专注, I killed, doesn't have a 讬爪专 讛专注, I mean to a certain degree. 诪讛 砖讗讬谉 讻谉 the second guy is a person who constantly has to fight his 讬爪专 讛专注, and he wins, he conquers him. Which, which one is greater? Let's think. This is 住转诐, before we go any further, not so much 谞讜讙注 to this part of the 砖讬讞讛. Which one is greater? The first or the second? Ah? Second. 诪讬诇讗, he's not a 讘注诇 转砖讜讘讛 here, he didn't this night It's the same idea the 专讘讬 is going to say, but he didn't even do 注讘讬专讜转 yet, but he has a big 讬爪专 讛专注, and he has to fight. He's greater. 诇驻讜诐 爪注专讗 讗讙专讗. According to the effort that you put in, that's how much the reward you get. Who puts in more effort? It's 讘讗诪转 讻诇 this the difference, let's get to this, the difference of a 爪讚讬拽 and a 讘讬谞讜谞讬 in 转谞讬讗. What's a 爪讚讬拽? 讗诇讟注 专讘讬 says a 爪讚讬拽 killed his 讬爪专 讛专注, doesn't have a 讬爪专 讛专注. What's a 讘讬谞讜谞讬? Didn't kill his 讬爪专 讛专注, he has a 讬爪专 讛专注. He never listens to the 讬爪专 讛专注. He doesn't say any, do anything wrong 诇诪注砖讛, doesn't speak anything wrong, doesn't even think anything wrong when he soon as he thinks has a 诪讞砖讘讛 that's not good, pushes it away, never thinks anything wrong 讘专爪讜谉. But he has a 讬爪专 讛专注. And he always has to fight his 讬爪专 讛专注. That's why the 讗诇讟注 专讘讬 says that there's a 驻住讜拽 that says, 专讗讜 诪讛 讘讬谉 爪讚讬拽 诇专砖注, 讘讬谉 注讜讘讚 讛讜讬' 注讜讘讚 讗诇拽讬诐 讗砖专 诇讗 注讘讚讜. Look at the difference a 爪讚讬拽 and a 专砖注 and someone who serves 讛砖诐 and someone who doesn't serve Him. Isn't that the same double talk? 爪讚讬拽 and a 专砖注, look at it and a person who serves 讛砖诐 and doesn't. So what does the 讗诇讟注 专讘讬 learn in 转谞讬讗? Who's going to tell me? What does it say in 转谞讬讗 the 驻砖讟, 注讘讚讜 讗砖专 诇讗 注讘讚讜? He brings that also, exactly. It's not a 爪讚讬拽 and a 专砖注, it's a 讘讬谞讜谞讬 and a 爪讚讬拽. And the 讘讬谞讜谞讬 is called 注讜讘讚 讛砖诐. A 爪讚讬拽 is 诇讗 注讘讚讜. Why, a 爪讚讬拽 doesn't serve 讛砖诐? A 爪讚讬拽 is not an 注讜讘讚 讛砖诐. A 爪讚讬拽 is What's a 爪讚讬拽? So what's what's what title, not an 注讜讘讚 讛砖诐? He's an 注讘讚 讛砖诐. 注讜讘讚 means he still has to work, and an 注讘讚 means he's where he's done already that, he over he reached a 诪讚专讙讛, now he doesn't have to fight. 注讜讘讚, 注讘讜讚讛, it says in 讞住讬讚讜转, this means hard labor. 讞住讬讚讜转 brings a 专讗讬讛 that means hard labor, from where? Where do we use a 诇砖讜谉 注讬讘讜讚? The 诇砖讜谉 it comes from the 讙诪专讗 in 转谞讬讗 in in yeah, in 转谞讬讗, other places, 注讬讘讜讚 注讜专讜转. The 诇砖讜谉 注讬讘讜讚 注讜专讜转, when you take skin of an animal and you turn it into leather, you have to work very hard, press it and do That's where it says 注讬讘讜讚, working hard. So 注讜讘讚 讛砖诐, the 讘讬谞讜谞讬 has to work hard, because the 讬爪专 讛专注 comes to him and tells him, do something wrong. He doesn't listen to him. But he has to fight him. A 爪讚讬拽 doesn't have to fight him. So the 讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛 is only 诪转讗讜讜讛 谞讗专 爪讜 讟讜讘, only wants good. The 讻讜讘砖 讗转 讬爪专讜 is somebody who has to conquer his 讬爪专 讛专注. So the 专讘讬 says, 驻挚讗址专 讚注专 砖讬讞讛'住 讛住讘专讛, so we have to understand, 讜讜讬讘讗址诇讚 讛讗讘讜转 讝注谞注谉 讚讬 诪专讻讘讛, since 讛讗讘讜转 are the 诪专讻讘讛, which means that the 讗讘讜转 were very good, so in which category would you put the 讗讘讜转 in? 讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛 or 讻讜讘砖 讗转 讬爪专讜? 讞住讬讚 讛诪注讜诇讛. 讜讜讗讜 is the 住讬诪谉 诇讘谞讬诐 for 诪注砖讛 讗讘讜转 if their 注讘讜讚讛 of 讻讜讘砖 讗转 讬爪专讜? Since everything has to come from the 讗讘讜转, and in the 讗讘讜转 there was no such thing as came they weren't fighting the 讬爪专 讛专注, they were a 诪专讻讘讛, they weren't fighting the 讬爪专 讛专注, so the 注讘讜讚讛 of fighting the 讬爪专 讛专注 that we have, that some it's a certain 注讘讜讚讛 that 讗讬讚谉 have, also has to come from the 讗讘讜转, where do we find it? And what's the answer going to be? 注砖讜. Exactly.