Likkutei Sichos, Vol. 26: Parshas Vaera / Pesach (Part 6)
A strange halachah: you can be yotzei matzah by swallowing it without tasting a thing, yet the matzah itself is disqualified the moment its own taste changes.
Part of Likkutei Sichos: Volume 26 - Vaera-Pesach
Resolves the apparent contradiction between the din that a person need not taste matzah to fulfill the mitzvah, and the din that matzah cooked or soaked in fruit juice is invalid regardless. The answer turns on the difference between the gavra's obligation and the cheftza of the matzah itself, mirroring how the Yidden felt nothing at Yetzias Mitzrayim while the geulah still carried its own inherent taste. Also works through why eating matzah and marror together nowadays disqualifies both mitzvos, with a close look at the Hillel sandwich and what every shitah actually requires you to eat separately.
Audio Transcript
We're holding here 住注讬祝. What? We're holding here 住注讬祝 讝'. It's page 47. It seems like we're gonna finish the sichah today, and if that happens, that means that tomorrow will be chazara, and Sunday will be the test. Hm? We'll see. Then we'll see what will happen. This sichah is a Pesach sichah, something that's important for everyone to know. Okay. So we're holding 住注讬祝 讝'. 讚注专 讘讬讗讜专 讛谞状诇 讗讬谉 讚注诐 讟注诐 驻讜谉 讙' matzot, the explanation the Rebbe gave before the reason for 讙' matzot, for three 诪爪讜转, 讙讬讟 讗讜讬讱 讗 讛住讘专讛 讗讬谉 讗 讚讘专 转诪讜讛 讜讜讗住 诪壮讙注驻讬谞讟 讘谞讜讙注 爪讜 诪爪讛, will explain something that's strange in halachah concerning matzah. But taking the explanation that the Rebbe gave before, this will explain it. 讚注专 讚讬谉 讗讬讝 讗讝 讘诇注 诪爪讛 讬爪讗. There's a din if you swallowed a matzah without chewing it, you are yatza. 住'讗讬讝 谞讬讟讗 拽讬讬谉 讞讬讜讘 爪讜 诪专讙讬砖 讝讬讬谉 讟注诐 诪爪讛. There's no din that you have to feel the taste of the matzah. 讜讘诇讘讚 谞讗专 住'讗讬讝 讙注讜讜注谉 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛, as long as you ate the matzah, meaning 讗驻讬诇讜 讚专讱 讘诇讬注讛, even if you swallowed it, 讗讬讝 诪注谉 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转讜. You're yatza. 讗 砖讟讬讬讙注专 讘讬讬 诪专讜专, 讗讬讝 诪注谉 谞讬砖讟 讬讜爪讗 注讚 砖讬专讙讬砖 讟注诐 诪专讬专讜转讗 讘驻讬讜. But maror, if you take the maror and you swallow it, and you don't feel the taste, you are not yatza. That's the din. 讘诇注 诪爪讛 讬爪讗, 讘诇注 诪专讜专 诇讗 讬爪讗. So, so far the din is not strange. I mean, in halachah you have to know what is the difference why by matzah you don't have to feel the taste and here you do, but it's a din that we can understand. 讗讘注专 诇讗讬讚讱 讗讬讝 讚注专 讚讬谉, but on the other hand the din is 讗讝 诪'讗讬讝 谞讬砖讟 讬讜爪讗 讘诪爪讛 诪讘讜砖诇转. If you take the matzah and you cook it, you're not yatza. 讗讚注专 讗驻讬诇讜 诪讬讟 讗 诪爪讛 讜讜讗住 住'讛讗讟 讝讬讱 讙注讜讜讬讬拽讟 讗讬谉 诪讬 驻讬专讜转, or even a matzah that you soaked in juice, you're not yatza. What's the reason? 讜讜讬讬诇 讗祝 注诇 驻讬 砖讗讬谉 爪专讬讱 砖讬讛讗 讟注诐 诪爪讛 讘驻讬讜, even though you don't have to taste the matzah, cuz lichorah the reason why these are no good, if you cook it or you soak it in fruit juice, when you eat the matzah you feel the taste of the juice, you will not feel the taste of the matzah. So that's the reason why it's no good. But the question is we don't have to feel the taste of the matzah. V'ha raya if you swallow it, you're still yatza. So why is it that if you cook the matzah, or if you soak the matzah in 诪讬 驻讬专讜转, you're not yatza? 诪讻诇 诪拽讜诐 讛诪爪讛 注爪诪讛 爪专讬讱 砖讬讛讬讛 讘讛 讟注诐 诪爪讛. The matzah has to have a taste of 诪爪讛, 讜诇讗 砖讬讜驻拽注 讟注诪讛 注诇 讬讚讬 讟注诐 讗讞专, not to have the 讟注诐 诪爪讛 changed by a different taste. So it's a, this is a strange thing. So it comes out from here that the matzah, you do not have to taste, the person does not have to taste a taste of matzah, that's why if he swallowed a matzah, he's yatza. On the other hand, the matzah itself has to keep its taste. If the matzah itself is changed, if the taste of the matzah is changed to a different taste, then you're not yatza. Iz nisht muvan. It's not understood. Di meforshim fregn, like meforshim asks the sheilah. 讚讬讜讜讬讬诇 讗讝 讘讬讬 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 驻讗讚注专讟 讝讬讱 谞讬砖讟 讗讝 讚注专 讗讚诐 讝讗诇 诪专讙讬砖 讝讬讬谉 讚注诐 讟注诐 诪爪讛, since by matzah we don't need that the person should feel the taste of the 诪爪讛, 驻讗专 讜讜讗住 讚讗专祝 讚讬 诪爪讛 注爪诪讛 讬讗 讛讗讘谉 讗 讟注诐 诪爪讛? So why does the matzah itself have to have a taste? Meila if the din would be that you have to feel the taste of the matzah, so if the matzah changed the taste, then you're not yatza. But if you don't have to feel it, so who cares if it's there? Matzah it is, it didn't change it from being matzah, it's still matzah. Ela mai, it's matzah with a different taste than normal matzah has. So who cares if you don't have to feel it anyway? So this is a sheilah that meforshim ask. But 讘讬讗讜专 讛驻谞讬诪讬 in dem, the pnimiyus'dike, chasidishe answer, what's the halachah answer? So the Rebbe in hearah 50 says, 讛讘讬讗讜专 注诇 驻讬 谞讙诇讛, 专讗讛 讛谞住诪谉 讘讛注专讛 讛拽讜讚诪转. So look what it says in the previous hearah, in hearah 49. So he brings mareh mekomos, the Bach, the Levush, 讟状讝, the Magen Avraham, 讜注讜讚. And ad kedei kach, the Rebbe says here that the Meiri says The Meiri in Pesachim it says, 讜讬砖 讚讗讬讱 砖讚讜讞讬谉 讗祝 注讬拽专 讛砖诪讜注讛 诇讜诪专 砖讗祝 讘诇注 诪爪讛 诇讗 讬爪讗. Because of this, he says some hold that by matzah also cannot swallow. Because if you say you could swallow the matzah and you don't need to feel the taste, it's a contradiction to this 讚讬谉 that the matzah has to keep this taste of matzah. So some say because of that, 讘诇注 诪爪讛 诇讗 讬爪讗, 诪驻谞讬 砖讘讻诇 讛驻专拽 诪爪讬谞讜 砖讛诐 诪转谞讬诐 讟注诐 诪爪讛, meaning the Gemara always says you have to have the taste of 诪爪讛, 诇讗 谞讻专讜讱 讗讬谞砖 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专, that's why you can't mix the matzah and maror together. But the bottom line is that all these poskim they answer the reason al pi nigleh what's the difference, but the Rebbe is asking the 拽讜砖讬讗 注诇 驻讬 讞住讬讚讜转, why is it that you don't even though you don't have to feel the taste of matzah, nevertheless the matzah itself has to keep its taste? So the biur in them,
讚讗指住 讜讜讗指住 讘讬讬 诪爪讛, 诪爪讜转 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 诪讜讝 谞讬砖讟 讝讬讬谉 讟注诐 诪爪讛, this that we said that you don't have to feel the taste of matzah is 谞讗指专 诪爪讚 讚注诐 讙讘专讗. That's from the person's perspective. That's what we're saying: The person does not have to feel the taste of matzah, but the matzah itself has to keep its taste. What's the pshat based on what we said before? We said before the inyan of matzah is that the Yidden were not involved in the aliyah and the inyan of Yetzias Mitzrayim. So therefore it's only noge'a to the person, but 讘讬讬 讚讬 讬讬讚谉 in 讙讗讜诇转 is 讙讗讜诇转 诪爪专讬诐 讜讜讗住 住壮讗讬讝 讙注拽讜诪注谉 诪诇诪注诇讛 讗谉 注谞讬谉 讜讜注诇讻注 讝讬讬 讛讗讘谉 谞讬砖讟 拽讬讬谉 讟注诐. What did the Rebbe explain before in the inyan of matzah? That matzah represents the fact that the geulah came 诪诇诪注诇讛. And that's why matzah versus wine doesn't have a taam. Why doesn't have a taam? Because it shows that the people were not involved, they had no geshmak in it. So therefore the din that you don't have to feel the taste of matzah is a din mitz ad the people. The people didn't have a geshmak in it, the Yidden didn't have any avodah in it. 讗讜谉 讚注专讬讘注专 讗讬讝 讘诇讜讬讝 诪讜讻专讞 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛, that's why all that you have to do is eat the 诪爪讛 讘讗讜驻谉 讗讝 注住 讝讗诇 讜讜注专谉 讚诐 讜讘砖专 讻讘砖专讜, you have to eat the matzah, matzah becomes part of you, and you don't have to feel the taste. Because as far as the Yidden are concerned they had no taste in Yetzias Mitzrayim at the time when it happened. The matzah represents the Yetzias Mitzrayim as it happened right in the beginning, which when the Yidden had no taste, so that's what the halachah is, you don't have to taste. 讗讝 讚讬 讙讗讜诇讛 讝讗诇 讗讬讬谞住 讜讜注专谉 诪讬讟 注爪诐 讛谞讬讙讗诇, you have to eat it. Why do you have to eat it? Because it's part of you, that means whatever the Yetzias Mitzrayim represents, you feel it. But the taste is not there because the Yidden did not feel the taste. 讗指讘注专 诇讗讜 讚讜讜拽讗 讗讝 讞讬讱 讗讜讻诇 讬讟注诐, yeah, but doesn't mean that your gums have to feel the taste. 诇讗讜 讚讜讜拽讗 讗讝 注住 讝讗诇 驻讬诇谉 讗 讟注诐 讜讛谞讗讛 驻讜谉 讚注专 诪爪讛, it doesn't mean that you have to have hanaah from the matzah, that you have to feel the taste of the matzah, because that's not part of what the matzah represents. 讗指讘注专 诪爪讚 讚注专 讞驻爪讗, looking at the matzah itself, 爪讬讜讜讬 讛砖诐 诪讗讻讟 讚讬 诪爪讬讗讜转 讚讬 诪爪讜转 诪爪讛 诪爪讚 讚注诐 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟谉 诪讗讻讟 讚讬 诪爪讬讗讜转 讚讬 诪爪讜转 诪爪讛, but the cheftza, the Eibershter made the mitzvah of 诪爪讛, 诪爪讚 讚注诐 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟谉 讗讬讝 讗讬谉 讚注专 讙讗讜诇讛 讙注讙注讘谉 讙注讜讜讗专谉 讚注专 讻讞 爪讜 讗讬讘注专砖讟注诇谉 讬讬讚谉, 讗讝 讝讬讬 讝讗诇谉 谞讬讙讗诇 讜讜注专谉 讗讜讬讱 诪爪讚 讝讬讬注专 诪爪讬讗讜转 诪讟讜诪讗转 诪爪专讬诐. When did it happen that the Yidden got changed over also? At what point? What did the Rebbe explain before? By Matan Torah. That's where the Yidden were involved. 诪爪讚 the Eibershter, when He gave the made the 讬爪讬讗转 诪爪专讬诐, 讘讻讞 in the Yetzias Mitzrayim in the beginning already was this idea that the Yidden are able to elevate themselves too. B'koach, right in the beginning it contained everything of the end. So from the Eibershter's perspective, right in the beginning of Yetzias Mitzrayim there is already bekoach the taste. And again, the taste represents the yidden's involvement. That taste really wasn't there from the yidden's perspective. But the 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 when He did His part, gave the koach that the yidden should be able to get involved. So if you're looking at it like this, if you're looking at Yetzias Mitzrayim on its own, not in respect to the yidden, is there a metzius of a taste or not? Yeah, not b'foal, but bekoach. In the 讬爪讬讗转 诪爪专讬诐 诇讬讙讟 讚注专 that taste. If you're looking from the iden side, did the iden have the taste? No. M'meila, what comes out l'halacha here? Matzah has a taste and doesn't have a taste at the same time. As far as the iden are concerned, it doesn't have a taste. You don't need to have a taste, you don't have to feel the taste. The matzah itself should have a taste, should have the taste of matzah. That's why the halacha is that a yid, if he swallows the matzah, he's yotzei, that means he didn't feel the taste. On the other hand, the matzah itself cannot change its taste, has to have the taste of matzah. Because b'etzem in the cheftza, see the Rebbe uses here also the gavra and the cheftza, in the cheftza aspect of the matzah, which is the cheftza aspect of Yetzias Mitzrayim, there is the taste there. So, therefore, 讚注专 注讬拽专, 讗讜谉 讚注专 注讬拽专 诪讜讝 讚讬 讞驻爪讗 诪爪讚 注爪诪讛, the cheftz of the matzah must 讛讗指讘谉 讗址 讟注诐 诪爪讛, it must have a taste. 讜讜讗指住 讚讬 讙讗讜诇讛 注爪诪讛 讙注讙注讘谉, the geulah itself gave. 讛讗指讟 讝讬 讙注讚讗址专驻讟 驻专讬注专 讛讗指讘谉. Since it gave the koach for the iden having the taste, so it had to have it. See, the word hoben here is in quotations. So it had to have the 讻讞 讗讜讬驻谉 讟注诐, it had to have a koach of taam. 讚注专 驻讜注诇 讛讗指讟 讝讬讱 讚讗指住 讗讜讬住讙注讟讗指谉 讘讬讬 讗讬讚谉 讘讬讬 诪转谉 转讜专讛. When did that happen actually? 讘讬讬 讗讬讚谉 讘讬讬 诪转谉 转讜专讛. But it had to be contained and b'koach in the beginning, so in the matzah there is a taste. But then the shailah is on the other side. So why can't you be yotzei with matzah that has a taste? for the Yidden shouldn't feel. 讗祝 注诇 驻讬 讻谉 拽注谉 诪注谉 讬讜爪讗 讝讬讬谉 讘讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 谞讗指专 诪讬讟 诇讞诐 注讜谞讬 讗讜谉 谞讬砖讟 诪讬讟 诪爪讛 注砖讬专讛. Still the Yidden you cannot be yotzei with 诪爪讛 注砖讬专讛 as a taste, 讚讗指住 讛讬讬住讟, 讗讝 讚注专 讟注诐 讜讜讗指住 讗讬讝 驻讗址专讗址谉 讗讜谉 诪讜讝 讝讬讬谉 讗讬谉 讚注专 诪爪讛, 讗讬讝 讚讜讜拽讗 讗讜讬住 讟注诐 诪爪讛. The taste that you have to have in the matzah, the taste that you have to have in the matzah because the taste is there, but it has to be a taste of matzah. 讗指讘注专 谞讬砖讟 拽讬讬谉 讙注砖诪讗址拽 讗讜谉 转注谞讜讙 讜讜讗指住 拽讜诪讟 诪爪讚 注驻注住 讜讜讗指住 讗讬讝 谞讬砖讟 诪爪讛 讜讜讬 讚注专 讟注诐 驻讜谉 诪爪讛 注砖讬专讛, but not to have a taste of something else, which is 诪爪讛 注砖讬专讛. So the Yid has to eat a matzah, doesn't have to feel a taste, but the matzah itself has to have a taste. Which taste? Its own taste, the taste of matzah.
Let's learn he'arah 52. It's a little bit lamdanishe thing here. 讜讛讗 讚讗讬谉 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪爪讛 讻砖讘诇注讛 讬讞讚 注诐 诪专讜专 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛, why is it that if you eat matzah and marror together you're not yotzei? And the reason which is in Shulchan Aruch is 讛诪专讜专 砖讛讜讗 诪讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐 诪讘讟诇 讗转 讟注诐 讛诪爪讛 砖讛讬讗 诪谉 讛转讜专讛. Because marror is derabbanan 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛, matzah is d'oraisa, so the taam of the marror is mevatel the taam of the matzah, because it's a derabbanan and not a d'oraisa. He brings from the Alter Rebbe Shulchan Aruch and Gemara. So, obviously, the problem here is not because the person will not feel the taste of the matzah, because if the reason would be because the, because if the problem would be the person cannot feel the taste of, must feel the taste of matzah, then why do we have to give a reason because marror is derabbanan? You could say simply because marror takes away the taste of the matzah. 注诇 讻专讞讱 爪专讬讱 诇讜诪专 砖讗讬谉 讛讞住专讜谉 讘注谞讬谉 讛专讙砖转 讟注诐 诪爪讛 讘驻讬 讛讙讘专讗 讻驻砖讜讟讜, it's not because you should have to feel pashut in your mouth the taste of the matzah. 砖讛专讬 讗诐 讻谉 诪讗讬 谞驻拽讗 诪讬谞讛 讘诪专讜专 讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 诪专讜专 讚专讘谞谉? What would be the difference if it's de'oraita it would be okay, and if it's derabbanan it's not? 注诇 讻专讞讱 爪专讬讱 诇讜诪专 砖讛讻讜讜谞讛 讻讗谉 讘讚讬谉 讘讬讟讜诇 讛砖讬讬讱 诇讞驻爪讗 讚诪爪讛. It must be not for the person, it must be for the 讞驻爪讗 诪爪讛. I want to explain this a little bit, it's noga pashut to certain things which I can tell you most people don't know. You're learning now Hilchot Pesach, right? You're learning the hilchot of the seder? What are you guys learning? Hilchot, no, learning first bedikat chametz. Then there's hilchot of the seder. There's a certain halachah that people are not so familiar with. Why do we have korech? We eat matzah for the mitzvah of matzah. Make a 讘专讻讛 讗砖专 拽讚砖谞讜 注诇 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛. Then we eat maror for the mitzvah of maror. Then what's the inyan of korech? Korech is not a zecher for the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. The Hillel sandwich. What did Hillel ta'anah? What was Hillel's shittah? Not 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. Now, what what what was the din? What do we say? 讻谉 注砖讛 讛诇诇 讘讝诪谉 砖讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 讛讬讛 拽讬讬诐, 讛讬讛 讻讜专讱 驻住讞 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专, when 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, he ate together. Now we don't have we don't have the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. Okay, so the problem, the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞 is not there. What is the problem of eating matzah and then maror that we have to eat it together another time? What is it that you're not mekayem according to Hillel? Hillel holds you have to do it together. Okay, fine. So if we ate it separately, we're not yotzei. Which mitzvah are we not yotzei? 诪爪讜转 诪专讜专 or the mitzvah of matzah? Okay, let's hold that for a second. According to us, if we eat 讻讜专讱, why aren't we yotzei with 讻讜专讱? We're eating the matzah and the maror. It must be that according to Hillel, we're not yotzei with eating separately, and according to us, we're not yotzei if we eat it together, so we have to do it both. Cuz otherwise, why don't we just eat it together and we'll yotzei, you'll yotzei both? Hillel says you're not yotzei eating separate, so we eat together. We eat together, so according to Hillel it's fine, according to us it's fine. What is the problem here? What is that Hillel holds we're not yotzei? Hillel says that we're not yotzei because you have to eat it together. What do we say? Shouldn't eat it together. Why shouldn't we eat it together? Because the maror takes away the taam of the matzah. Why does the 诪专讜专 诪讘讟诇 讟注诐 of the matzah? Because matzah is derabbanan, maror is derabbanan, and matzah is deOraita. 讘讝诪谞谞讜 讝讛 诪爪讛 is deOraita, why why is maror only derabbanan? Cuz the Torah never said to eat maror. The Torah said, 注诇 诪爪讜转 讜诪专专讬诐 讬讗讻诇讜讛讜, eat the korban Pesach with matzah and maror. So therefore, maror is not a mitzvah unless you have a korban Pesach. But the Rabbanan made it. And what about matzah? Says 注诇 诪爪讜转 讜诪专专讬诐 讬讗讻诇讜讛讜, the matzah should also be connected with the korban Pesach. 砖讘注转 讬诪讬诐, we don't we don't eat matzah seven days, no. Cuz matzah has another 驻住讜拽, 讘注专讘 转讗讻诇讜 诪爪转. So matzah has a separate din that whether you have a korban Pesach or not, you have to eat matzah, fine. Maror is only derabbanan. So the maror will drain out the taste of the matzah because a derabbanan is mevatel a de'oraita. So that's why, according to us, we cannot yotzei with the Hillel sandwich, we're not yotzei with korech, because it's so we have to eat separate. And according to Hillel, what is it that we're not mekayem if we eat separately? We're mekayem the mitzvah of matzah, but we're not mekayem the mitzvah of maror. We're not mekayem the mitzvah of maror. Why aren't we mekayem the mitzvah of maror if we eat it separately? Cuz the pasuk says 注诇 诪爪讜转 讜诪专专讬诐 讬讗讻诇讜讛讜, the korban Pesach, but we don't have a korban Pesach. It's a zecher to the korban Pesach. No, this is not. You have an Alter Rebbe's Shulchan Aruch here? Yeah, let's read it inside. Yeah, here, 住讬诪谉 转注状讛. 诪爪讜转 诪专讜专 诪谉 讛转讜专讛 讗讬谞讛 讗诇讗 讘讝诪谉 砖讛驻住讞 谞讗讻诇, only when the 拽专讘谉 讗讘诇 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛 讗讬谞讛 讗诇讗 讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐, 砖转拽谞讜 诪爪讛 they made 诪专讜专 讝讻专 诇诪拽讚砖. 讗讘诇 讞讬讜讘 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 is 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛 also 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, 砖谞讗诪专 讘注专讘 转讗讻诇讜 诪爪讜转. 诇驻讬讻讱, 讗诐 讻专讱 讗讚诐 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讜讻讝讬转 诪专讜专 讜讗讻诇讜住诐 讘讬讞讚, if a person took 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 and ate them together, 讜讗讻诇诐 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛, 诇讗 讬爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转讜. You're not yotzei. 砖讛诪专讜专 砖讛讜讗 诪讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐, 诪讘讟诇 讗转 讟注诐 讛诪爪讛 砖讛讬讗 诪谉 讛转讜专讛. 讗讘诇 讘讝诪谉 砖讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 拽讬讬诐, 谞讜, what was there, what do you imagine was there? So maror was also 讚讗讜专讬讬转讗, 砖讛诪专讜专 讛讜讗 讙诐 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, 讬爪讗讜 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪爪讛 讜讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪专讜专. In time of the Beit HaMikdash, when you ate matzah and maror together, was no problem, 诇驻讬 砖诪爪讜讛 砖诇 转讜专讛 讗讬谞讛 诪讘讟诇转 讝讜 讗转 讝讜. If they're both from the Torah, they're not mevatel each other, 砖砖拽讜诇讬谉 讛谉 讻讗讞转. They're the same, 砖讻讜诇诐 诪爪讜转 讛拽讚讜砖 讘专讜讱 讛讜讗 讛谉. 讜诇讗 注讜讚, 讗诇讗 砖诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇 讛讝拽谉, listen to 讛诇诇, 讗讬谉 讗讚诐 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转讜 诪谉 讛转讜专讛 讗诇讗 he wasn't 讬讜爪讗 讗诇讗 unless he's 讻讜专讱 驻住讞 讻讝讬转 驻住讞, 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专, 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讜讗讜讻诇诐 讘讬讞讚. Then he goes weiter. 讜讗祝 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛 砖讛诪专讜专 讗讬谞讜 讗诇讗 诪讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐 讜诪爪讜转 诪爪讛 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, nowadays that we said matzah is d'Oraita and 诪专讜专 讚专讘谞谉, 讜讗诐 讻专讻诐 讘讬讞讚 讜讗讻诇诐 讗讬谞讜 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转讜. Nowadays you're not 讬讜爪讗, 讗祝 诇驻讬 讚注转 Hillel. Listen, even according to Hillel, who says in the time of the Beit HaMikdash you were not 讬讜爪讗 诪爪讛 or maror if you did not eat them together, nowadays if you do eat them together, you're not yotzei the chovato, because our 诪专讜专 诪讘讟诇 is 讟注诐 讛诪爪讛. 讜讗诐 讻谉, 讞讬讬讘 讛讜讗 诇讗讻讜诇 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讘诇讘讚讛 讜讘诇讗 诪专讜专. So you have to eat matzah without 诪专讜专, 讻讚讬 诇爪讗转 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪爪讛 诪谉 讛转讜专讛. Even according to Hillel, you must eat matzah separately, because if you eat matzah together with maror nowadays, since maror is d'Rabbanan, it's mevatel the mitzvah of matzah. 诪讻诇 诪拽讜诐 讗讬谞讜 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪专讜专 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇, 讗诇讗 讗诐 讻谉 谞讜讟诇 注讜讚 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讜讻讜专讻诐 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专. But according to Hillel, you must eat matzah by itself. You must eat matzah by itself, because if you eat matzah with maror, you're not 讬讜爪讗 诪爪讛, cuz maror is mevatel the matzah. Okay? So you eat matzah by itself. Now if you eat, what? One second, we're gonna weiter. So if you eat matzah, eat matzah by itself. Then he says, according to 讛诇诇, 诪讻诇 诪拽讜诐 讗讬谞讜 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪专讜专 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇, 讗诇讗 讗诐 讻谉 谞讜讟诇 注讜讚 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讜讻讜专讻诐 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专 讘讬讞讚. Hillel says that by eating the the 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 and then 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专 separately, you're not yotzei the mitzvah of 诪专讜专, 砖讛专讬 诪专讜专 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛 转拽谞讜 讞讻诪讬诐 讝讻专 诇诪拽讚砖. The whole reason of maror is a zecher to the 诪拽讚砖, 砖讛讬讛 讗讝 讞讬讜讘讜 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, in the 诪拽讚砖 讞讬讜讘 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, 讜讘讝诪谉 砖讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 拽讬讬诐 讗讬谞讜 讬讜爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪专讜专 诪谉 讛转讜专讛 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇, 讗诐 诇讗 讻讜专讻谉 注诐 讛诪爪讛. 讘砖注转 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖, you were not 讬讜爪讗 诪专讜专 unless you ate it with a matzah and the Pesach. So therefore, 诇驻讬讻讱 讙诐 注讻砖讬讜 爪专讬讱 诇讻专讻讜 注诐 讛诪爪讛. Therefore you have to eat it with matzah. So comes out according to Hillel, the only way you're yotzei everything according to Hillel, you must need eat matzah separate, why? What's the taste? No, cuz if you're gonna eat matzah and the maror, the problem is that maror is derabbanan nowadays, so if you take 诪专讜专 讚专讘谞谉 and de'oraita, the 诪爪讜讛 讚专讘谞谉 is mevatel the de'oraita. So you must need eat matzah separately. So you eat matzah separately, you're 讬讜爪讗 诪爪讛. If you're gonna eat maror separately, what will be the problem? You're not yotzei what? Maror. You're not 讬讜爪讗 诪专讜专, cuz according to Hillel, maror is nothing but together with matzah. Good, that's exactly what we do. So, oh, why we need a separate maror? One second! We're not only Hillel, we got other opinions too! So 诪爪讚 讛诇诇, you have to eat matzah, and then you have to eat matzah and maror. Weiter. I'm just saying this is something that people are not clear of. 讜诇驻讬 砖讞讜诇拽讬谉 注诇讬讜 讞讘讬专讬讜, 注诇 讛诇诇, since the other chachamim argued, 讜讗讜诪专讬诐 砖讗讬谉 爪专讬讱 诇讻专讻诐 讻诇诇, that you don't have to put them together, 诇讗 诪谉 讛转讜专讛 讘讝诪谉 砖讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 拽讬讬诐, 讜诇讗 诪讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛. So other poskim hold other tana'im hold that you don't have to eat it together. 讜诇驻讬 讚讘专讬讛诐 讗诐 讗讻诇 讘转讞讬诇讛 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 讘诇讘讚讛, if you first eat 诪爪讛, 讜讗讞专 讻讱 讗讻诇 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专 讘讻专讬讻讛 注诐 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛, if you eat matzah and then you would eat only the korech, what would be according to the other shittot? 诇讗 讬爪讗 讬讚讬 讞讜讘转 诪专讜专. If you eat matzah and then matzah and maror, you're not yotzei according to us, the others, you're not 讬讜爪讗 诪专讜专. Why? 诇驻讬 砖讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 砖讘讻专讬讻讛 讛讬讗 专砖讜转 讜讗讬谉 讘讛 砖讜诐 诪爪讜讛. According to the other opinions, the other opinions, when you eat matzah after you ate the kezayit matzah, now you're going to eat korech. What do you have here? You have maror, which you'll have to eat miderabbanan, and then you have matzah. What's the matzah? The matzah that you eat with korech, according to this, what is it? It's nothing. You were already yotzei the mitzvah of matzah. And now there is no need for the matzah according to our opinion, other's opinion. Now you have to eat maror. By putting the matzah together with the maror, what are you doing? You're spoiling the maror. 讜讗讬谉 讘讛 砖讜诐 诪- 讜诇驻讬 讚讘专讬讛诐 讛专讬 诪讘讟诇 讟注诐 讛诪专讜专 砖讘讻专讬讻讛, 讻讬 砖谞讬讛诐 讬讞讚. Because what you are doing is you're eating 诪爪讛 专砖讜转 together with a mitzvah. Just like a 诪爪讜讛 讚专讘谞谉 is mevatel the mitzvah d'oraita, the reshut is mevatel the mitzvah d'rabbanan. So what should we do according to our opinion? How are you yotzei both mitzvot, matzah and maror? So you eat matzah separately, you eat maror separately. 讗讘诇 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇, 砖讛诪爪讛 砖讘讻专讬讻讛 讛讬讗 讞讜讘 诪讚讘专讬 住讜驻专讬诐, the matzah of the korech is a chiyuv because you can't be yotzei the maror without the 诪爪讛, 讗讬谞讛 诪讘讟诇转 讗转 讟注诐 讛诪专讜专, 砖讛讜讗 讙诐 讻谉 讞讜讘讛 诪谉 讛转讜专讛. So what comes out l'maskana? That according to the others who argue on Hillel, what must you do? You must eat matzah separately and you must eat maror separately. So we have to do that. According to Hillel, what must you do? You must eat matzah you must eat matzah without maror and you must eat maror with matzah. So how are we yotzei all opinions? By doing both. What did you say? What were you saying? Yeah, then it was with Pesach. Then it was with the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. Now it's without It's a zecher. See, actually in our Haggadah it doesn't say, other Haggadot before you say 讻谉 注砖讛 讛诇诇 they have a three more words: 讝讻专 诇诪拽讚砖 讻讛诇诇. It says zecher, so we don't say these words, but that's what it is. 讜讻讬讜谉 砖诇讗 谞驻住拽讛 讛诇讻讛 诇讗 讻讛诇诇 讜诇讗 讻讞讘讬专讬讜, 诇驻讬讻讱 诇爪讗转 讬讚讬 砖谞讬讛诐, to be yotzei both 讚注讜转, 爪专讬讱 讗讚诐 First, you have to eat a 讻讝讬转 诪爪讛 诇讘讚 without maror, you make a 讘专讻讛 注诇 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛, and that you're yotzei the mitzvah of matzah according to who? According to Hillel and according to the others. Yeah, 讗祝 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇. 讜讗讞专 讻讱 爪专讬讱 砖讬讗讻诇 讻讝讬转 诪专讜专 讘诇讗 诪爪讛 and make 注诇 讗讻讬诇转 诪专讜专, for what reason? To be yotzei maror the way the others hold. 讜讗讞专 讻讱 讬讻专讜讱 Then you mix the matzah and the 诪专讜专, 讝讻专 诇诪拽讚砖 讻讛诇诇. Okay. According to Hillel, we have a problem. You make a bracha on the matzah because you're yotzei the matzah. Where is the bracha on the maror? According to we when we make the bracha on the maror itself, according to Hillel, you're not yotzei the mitzvah of maror. So when are we yotzei the mitzvah of maror, of bracha on maror? So he says, 讜讗祝 诇驻讬 讚注转 讛诇诇 讛讜讗 讬讜爪讗 讘讘专讻转 讛诪爪讛 讜讛诪专讜专 砖讘讬专讱 讻讘专. You're yotzei with that. And that's why you should not talk, this is unless it's 诪注谞讬谉 讛住注讜讚讛, after you make 注诇 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 till after you eat the korech. Ah? Ah? Yeah, it's No, it says bichlal. No, but not there you could, but after washing lemashal before the matzah, we don't. Between matzah and korech we do, because it's 诪注谞讬谉 讛住注讜讚讛. Yeah, but it says you shouldn't talk other things, you shouldn't talk. Why can or cannot? Yeah, because we want the 诪爪讜讛 注诇 讗讻讬诇转 诪爪讛 to also go later. Yotzei lechol hade'ot on the matzah, but the maror goes together with There is a chiyuv on the matzah, too. According to Hillel, there is a chiyuv to eat matzah together with the maror. Not for the sake of matzah, for the sake of maror. But that's why is the matzah not mevatel the maror? According to Hillel, when you were yotzei already According to us, it's mevatel. According to Hillel, it's not, because it's a chiyuv. It's a chiyuv for the purpose of the maror. Good? But there is a chiyuv. 讻讚讬 砖转注诇讛 讘专讻讛 讝讜 讘专讻转 讛诪专讜专 讙诐 诇讝讜 驻讟讜专. We have a one paragraph to finish. I just want to mention one more thing legabei this inyan that we're saying. Why is 诪专讜专 讚专讘谞谉? 讛讬讜转 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. What happened at the time of the Beit Hamikdash if someone didn't have a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞? Which was No. If someone lived in Bnei Brak, 诪注砖讛 讘专讘讬 讗诇注讝专 讜 all these they were in Bnei Brak, they didn't have a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. You could only have a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞 in Yerushalayim. By them, was 诪专讜专 讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 or 诪专讜专 讚专讘谞谉? Did they have to eat mid'oraisa 诪专讜专 or not if they didn't have the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞? Because we said the whole reason the 诪专讜专 讘讝诪谉 讛讝讛 讚专讘谞谉 because it says 注诇 诪爪讜转 讜诪专专讬诐 讬讗讻诇讛讜, the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. They didn't have a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. So, this is a misconception that everyone has. Everyone will tell you, if you stam a person, that maror without the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞 is a d'rabbanan even in the time of the Beit Hamikdash if you didn't have a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. You were 讘讚专讱 专讞讜拽讛, you were tamei, whatever it is. It's not true. You look through the Alter Rebbe and you look through the diyukim, you'll see. In the Rebbe's Haggadah, one place is mashma it starts off not like that, but the 专讘讬 讟讬讬讟砖讟 讝讜 and you see right away what the pshat is. The din is not that you have to eat the the maror with the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞, it has to be at a time when there is, yeah, a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. Since the time of the Beit Hamikdash there is a 拽专讘谉 驻住讞, so even if you don't happen to have the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞, 诪专讜专 is d'Oraita. That's why there is one girsa in 讻谉 注砖讛 讛诇诇 讘讝诪谉 砖讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 讛讬讛 拽讬讬诐. What's the next words? 讛讬讛 讘讝诪谉 砖 yeah, what? 讛讬讛 讻讜专讱, weiter? I can't hear so good. He says 讛讬讛 讻讜专讱 驻住讞 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专. What do you say? Same same thing. Why change your mind when you said right? We say 讛讬讛 讻讜专讱 驻住讞 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专, but there is another girsa. Some say 讛讬讛 讻讜专讱 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专 because you know Hillel himself lived big part of his life in Bavel when they had a Beis Hamikdash, and he didn't eat the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. What did he do those years that he didn't eat the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞? He didn't go to Yerushalayim. He was still 讻讜专讱 诪爪讛 讜诪专讜专 for the same reason, because maror is d'Oraita in the time of the Beis Hamikdash even for someone that didn't have have the 拽专讘谉 驻住讞. So, it comes out a chidush that we're zecher not to the way it was in the Beis Hamikdash. We are eating matzah and maror together zecher to the 讝诪谉 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖. But maror then was d'Oraita. That's what the Rebbe brings from the Chasdei Avraham, right, from Chasdei Avraham or something. Okay, let us finish the last paragraph.
讗讜谉 讜讜讬 讚讗住 砖驻讬讙诇讟 讝讬讱 讗驻 讗讬谉 注讘讜讚转 讛讗讚诐, 诪讬讬谞讟 注住 讗讝讜讬. The way this idea the Rebbe says here in 注讘讜讚讛, 讟注诐 诪爪讛 is the geshmak in kabalas ol. See, matzah, we have a contradiction. We said before matzah different is different than wine. Wine has a taste, matzah doesn't. Has no taste. Now we're saying there is a 讟注诐 诪爪讛. You have to have the 讟注诐 诪爪讛. 讟注诐 诪爪讛, not having a taam is kabalas ol. If you do something with feeling, with seichel, it's geshmak. Kabalas ol has no taam, but there is a taam of kabalas ol. 谞讬讟 诪爪讚 讚注转, 谞讗专 诇讞诐 注谞讬 讘讚注转. Not daas, but 诇讞诐 注谞讬. 讚讗住 讗讬讝 谞讬讟 讚注专 讙注砖诪讗拽 讜讜讗住 拽讜诪讟 驻讜谉 砖讻诇 讗讚注专 诪讚讜转. It's not geshmak feeling it comes from 砖讻诇, 诪讚讜转, 讜讜讗住 讝讬讬 讘专讬讬谞讙注谉 讟注诐 讗讜谉 讛谞讗讛, 谞讗专 讝讬讬谉 拽讘诇转 注讜诇 讗讬讝 讘讬讬 讗讬诐 诪讬讟 讗 讙注砖诪讗拽. 讟注诐 诪爪讛 is kabalas ol with a geshmak, and that's what you have to have. But you can't mix it with other taste because it's b'koach the taam that he in had later. Yeah, I mentioned it before. Tomorrow will be chazara on the sichah, and then Sunday will be the test. Who need a girsa?