Shabbos 55b
Did Eli's Sons Really Sin?
Part of Ein Yaakov · 15:57
A close textual reading asking whether the sons of Eli HaKohen truly committed the sins attributed to them, using the Kri-Ktiv (read versus written) discrepancy in the text.
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All right, guys. They need They need a Set it. It was ืชืืขืืช. ืืืจ ืจืื ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื ืืืจ ืจืื... ืืืจ ืจืื ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื ืืืจ ืจืื ืืื ืชื, ืจืื ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื said in the name of ืจืื ืืื ืชื: ืื ืืืืืจ ืื ื ืขืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืื ืืืขื. Anybody who says that the children of ืขืื sinned are making a mistake. In other words, in the ืคืกืืง we find that it says that they sinned. It even says very terrible things about them. Says the children of ืขืื, it says, were living with married women, which is ืืืฉ ืืืกืืจ ืืฉืช ืืืฉ. So he says, \"No, anybody who says that the children of ืขืื sinned is a mistake.\" ืฉื ืืืจ it says, ah? ืืฉื ืืฉื ืฉื ื ืื ื ืขืื, it says in the ืืฉืื there were two sons of ืขืื, ืืคื ื ืืคื ืืก ืืื ืื ืืืฉื. ืืคื ื and ืคื ืืก were the ืืื ืื to ืืฉื. Now, since it says ืืคื ื ืืคื ืืก together, and ืกืืจ ืื ืืจื, he holds like ืจื ืืืืจ who says, ืืืืจ ืจื, ืจื said ืคื ืืก ืื ืืื, there were two brothers, ืคื ืืก and ืืคื ื. Now ืคื ืืก, he says, did not sin. So, the only one that maybe sinned is ืืคื ื. So he says, ืืงืืฉ ืืคื ื ืืคื ืืก. We'll see later how do we know ืคื ืืก didn't sin. So we compare ืืคื ื to ืคื ืืก, ืื ืคื ืืก ืื ืืื ืืฃ ืืคื ื ืื ืืื, just like ืคื ืืก did not sin, ืืคื ื is not sinned either. ืืื ืื ืื ื ืืงืืื so what does the ืคืฉื ืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืื ืืช ืื ืฉืื, which means like ืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืื means they slept, and ืื ืฉืื the women that came to bring bring ืงืจืื ืืช. But if we're saying they didn't sin, this is a real ืขืืืจื of ืืฉืช ืืืฉ! So the ืืืจื answers, they didn't do that ืขืืืจื. It's considered ืืชืื ืฉืฉืื ืืช ืงืื ืืื, because they would See, they weren't such great ืฆืืืงืื, that's for sure. What they did was, they wanted to ืืืค ืืจืืื more meat, more things to the ืงืจืื ืืช. So when the women who gave birth used to have to bring a ืงืจืื after they give birth, until then they can't be with their husbands, so they bring birds. There's not much meat in a bird, so they didn't want, so they used to push them off. They used to try to get other ืงืจืื ืืช first. So they would make them wait. So they hold, they delay, they
would make them wait a whole day, and the whole time. ืืืืืื till they got home was very late, so they couldn't be with their husbands. And ืืืืื that held back the ืขื ืื of that held back the ืขื ืื of them having children, ืคืจืื ืืจืืื, so ืืขืื ืขืืืื ืืืชืื ืืืืื ืฉืืืื. So the ืชืืจื considers it as if they were with them together, even though they weren't. So to say that they sinned, that's not ืคืฉื in the ืคืกืืง, even though the simple words mean that. But this is See, this is the ืืืฉื to the story with ืจืืืื. By ืจืืืื it says the same thing, ืจืืืื he went and ืฉืื with ืืื with ืืืื, and really it doesn't mean that, what it means is they something, he mixed up the beds, the ืชืืจื considers it. Not even in a place where it's not ืืฉืื ื ืงืื? Not ืืฉืื ืืจืข, this means saying something bad about a person. This is called ืืฉืื ื ืงืื. ืฉืื. It says Well, that's the constant the ืคืกืืง always uses. That's when a person says, No, when in fact it shouldn't be by a woman it says the word either ืฉืื or ืืฉืื or ืืขืืื. No, you're saying something else the text is. The ืื ืืช ืืืื ืืืืจื... ืืคืืื ืืื ืืช ืืืื ืืืื ืื ืืืจ ืืืชืื, and here we're talking about ืืื ืืช of them, which is not even true, for saying That that's the ืฉืืื. Maybe because it's not true? No, so why did the ืชืืจื He's asking a good ืฉืืื: why did the ืชืืจื use a word which is makes them sound bad? Even when the ืชืืจื makes is something when they did bad, we try to find excuses, the ืชืืจื ืกืชื wouldn't write words make it. When it's ืืคืืจืืฉ where they did not do it, and the ืชืืจื should write such a word, a good ืฉืืื, like that. Which is the exact word that they hate. It says: ืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืื ืืช ืื ืฉืื. Okay. But either way we said that he holds that both of them didn't sin. How did he know? Because the ืชืืจื puts together ืืคื ื and ืคื ืืก, and ืคื ืืก for sure didn't sin, so ืืคื ื also. But where do we know ืืคื ื ืคื ืืก didn't sin? They didn't do that sin, but they did do a sin. Yeah, but it doesn't fight this sin. They say what they did was they pushed them off. It wasn't like a sin, it was not nice. Women came with their ืงืจืื ืืช, so it's their turn, so they pushed them off, they found other excuses they shouldn't bring. Stopping somebody from being able to procreate is is a Yeah, is it is it ืืืงืข a bad thing, but it's not not ืืืกืืจ ืืฉืช ืืืฉ. So the ืืืจื says ืืืคื. Now we'll get to the ืขืฆื ืืคืฅ. ืืืจ ืจืื ืคื ืืก ืจืื ืคื ืืก says, ืืืจ ืจื, I mean ืจื said ืคื ืืก ืื ืืื, ืคื ืืก didn't sin. Where do we know it? ืฉื ืืืจ it says like this, there's a ืคืกืืง that says about a certain ืืื called ืืืื ืื ืืืืืื the son of ืืืืืื, ืืื the brother of ืืืืืื ืื ืคื ืืก ืื ืขืื ืืื ืืฉื, who was the son of ืคื ืืก. ืืืื was the son of ืืืืืื, who was the son of ืคื ืืก, who was the son of ืขืื ืืื ืืฉื. So the ืชืืจื, the ืคืกืืง is being ืืชืืืก, gives the ืืืืก of this ืืืื, oh wait a second, through all the way his grandfather ืคื ืืก. Was connecting to ืืฉืืืื ื this ืืืื? No, no. What was that ืืืื? No, ืืฉืืืื ื means came from a city. ืืฉืืืื ื... Yeah, ืืืื ืืฉืืืื ื. ืืฉืืืื ื came from the city ืฉืืื, like he came from ืฉืืื. So here we have ืืื ืืืื. Yeah, but I don't know if it's connected. Maybe it's a thousand... How do you say it again ืืืื? ืืืื ืืฉืืืื ื. I see. Someone from ืฉืืื is like a ืืชื, from ืืช is a ืืชื. From ืขืืื is a... No, not ืขืืืื, ืขืืืื that's Not from ืื ืขื is a ืื ืขื ื, from ืฉืืื is a ืฉืืืื ื. Do we know if he was a ืืื, this ืืืื ืืฉืืืื ื? Somebody knows, I don't. Somebody knows. Anyway, the ืคืกืืง says that ืืืื was an ืืืื ืืงื of ืคื ืืก. ืืคืฉืจ ืืื? ืืื ืื ืืืื, is it possible that ืคื ืืก sinned, ืืืืชืื ืืืืืกื? And the ืชืืจื would make the ืืืืก of his ืืืื ืืงื to him? Why not? He's like if the ืืืืืข is a bad person, you can't make a ืืืืก? He explains why. ืืจื ืืืจ ื ืืืจ, there's a ืคืกืืง that says ืืืจืืช ืืณ ืืืืฉ ืืฉืจ ืืขืฉื ื. A person does these bad things, ืืณ will cut him off. Meaning he will ืขืจ ืืขืื ื, cut off an ืขืจ and ืขืื ื from ืืืื ืืขืงื, the tents of ืืขืงื, and he will cut off ืืืืฉ ืื ืื, bringing a ืงืจืื from ืืณ ืฆืืืืช. So the ืืืืืฉ is what does it mean? ืื ืืฉืจืื ืืื, if the one that does this, it means a person who does the ืืืกืืจ ืืฉืช ืืืฉ, if he's a ืืฉืจืื, what's his punishment? ืื ืืืื ืื ืขืจ ืืืืืื, he will not have any descendants who will be awake, who will be smart amongst the ืืืืื, ืืื ืขืื ื ืืชืืืืืื, he won't have a grandson or any descendant that will be someone who is able to answer questions among the ืืืืื. ืืื ืืื ืืื, if he's a ืืื, ืื ืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืฉ ืื ืื, he will not have a son who will bring a ืงืจืื. The ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ will not allow him to have children who will also be ืืื ืื. Here, we're saying that grandson is a ืืื, the ืืืืก is from ืคื ืืก. Now, if
ืคื ืืก did this, obviously, the ืชืืจื says he will not have grandchildren, so how could the ืชืืจื be ืืืืืก him to him? ืืื ืฉืืข ืืื ื, there's a ืจืืื that ืคื ืืก ืื ืืื. So who sinned? So, according to ืจื, only one that sinned was ืืคื ื. Now according to the other opinion, ืืคื ื didn't sin either. Okay, but ืจื just says ืคื ืืก didn't sin. It's pretty if one is more stronger punishment than the other, isn't it? But, the ืืฉืจืื had a son, it just won't be very smart, won't be a ืืื. ืืื won't even have a son. No, not a son. How why would he not be a ืืื? Yeah, they won't let him, they won't let him or he'll become a ืืขื ืืื, a ืืื, yeah, or become ืืื. I mean they will not he will not have he'll have a son, but they won't serve. And here we're saying that this ืืืื served in the ืืฉืื. Oh, yeah? ืืืื served? But then the ืืืจื says, now that you're saying only one of them sinned, ืืื ืืืชืื, it says that when the father found out what they're doing, so he told them, he gave them ืืืกืจ, and he says that, \"Why are you ืืฉืจ ืืฉืืืื?\" You, and this is ืืฉืื ืจืืื, it's plural, that you are ืืฉืืื, you are sleeping. ืืฉืื ืจืืื, so it means both. So, he says ืืฉืืืื, see, it says without a ื, which really is ืืฉืื ืืืื, that he is. Then ืืืชืื, it says he told them, \"ืื ืื ื ืื ืื ืืืื ืืฉืืืขื.\" He says, \"My son my children, do not be like that. It's not good what I hear.\" So, it says \"ืื ื\", my sons? ืืืจ ืจื ื ืืื ืืจ ืืฆืืง, \"ืื ื ืืชืื.\" We tuck it we read it \"ืื ื\", but the way it's written, it's \"ืื ื\", my son. Then it says, ืืืืชืื, it says \"ืืขืืืจืื\", it says you are taking away from one to on somebody else, you are taking away their their their money, but it says \"ืืขืืืจืื\", ืืฉืื ืจืืื? ืืืจ ืจื ืืื ื ืืจืื ืืจื ืืืืฉืข, \"ืืขืืืจื ืืชืื.\" It says \"ืืขืืืจื\", he is taking away. Then he asks, ืืืืชืื, it says \"ืื ื ืขืื ืื ื ืืืืขื\"? The children of ืขืื were bad? According to what we just said now, it's not the children, it's only one child. But the ืืืจื answers, ืืชืื ืฉืืื ืื ืืคื ืืก ืืืืืช ืืืคื ื, since ืคื ืืก should have protested against ืืคื ื, ืืื ืืืื, he didn't, ืืขืื ืขืืื ืืืชืื ืืืืื ืืื, so the ืชืืจื considers it as if he sinned also. This is the ืืืฉื. That's how this whole thing comes in because we learned before if someone started with ืจืื ืืืขืืจ ืื ืขืืจืื that he didn't protest against So, we're bringing in all these things where it says someone sinned, someone didn't sin. And here we say even though he didn't sin, but because he didn't stop someone else who he was able, obviously, he was able to stop him. ืืืืื ืชืืืื. Then he should have been ืืืื. ืืืืื, he's supposed to protest. Why are they still allowed to serve in the ืืืช ืืืงืืฉ? Who, the one that did it, yeah? Who who should allow them? Who should not allow them? ืขืื. ืขืื gave him how come when ืขืื found out, he gave him ืืืกืจ. He told him. ืืืกืจ, but he still served. I don't know if he continued to serve, but then ืืืื ืื ืืืจื ืืืืืืขืจ, ืืืจ ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื ืืืจ ืจืื ืืื ืชื, ืจื ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื said in the name of ืจืื ืืื ืชื Can I ask you just quickly, so by by reading and by the how it's written The ืงืจื and ืืชืื, yeah. Yeah, so we're
confused on the two the two ืคืฉื ืคืฉืืื, so Whenever we have one way of writing, one way of reading, both of them are true and each one teaches you another ืคืจื. And he says it's always like this. So here also, by the fact that it's written \"ืื ื\", yes, it's only one. Why does it say \"ืื ื\"? So there is something there. Because we just finished up by saying, because ืกืืฃ ืื ืกืืฃ, he gets the discredit for this also, because he didn't, but he didn't really sin, no. So that's a good example, this happens to be a good example that both are true. It's only one and it's both. It's really only one and he could count both also. So we read both and it's written one. Hard to believe what they did was actually adultery. Well, that's like just like how come by ืจืืืื the same question? The truth be you want to know in his level like adultery. Such a ืฆืืืง, and people that are such great people, I mean such a level, to do things like this it's ืืืฉ like adultery. The level of ืจืืืื to go mix in the bed of his father is like adultery. Probably ืขื ืคื ืงืืื probably there are the ืืืฉืืืช the things that happened through adultery in a certain miniature way it happened there also, whatever. ืืกืืืืช. That's why it's so important to help them have children so they shouldn't turn out that way. Maybe when they pushed the woman away they physically pushed them. Huh? Could be when they pushed the woman away they physically pushed them. Like, \"Guys, get out of the exit.\" So the ืืืจื weiter, ืืืจ ืจื ืฉืืืื ืืจ ื ืืื ื ืืืจ ืจืื ืืื ืชื, ืื ืืืืืจ ืื ื ืฉืืืื ืืืื ืืื ื ืืื ืืืขื. By the
children of ืฉืืืื we also find that they sinned, seems like, same thing. Anyone that says they sinned, it's not true. ืฉื ืืืจ it says, like this, it says in ืคืกืืง: ืืืื ืืืฉืจ ืืงื ืฉืืืื, when ืฉืืืื was old, then it continues ืืื ืืืื ืื ืื ืืืจืืื. His children didn't go in his ways. So people ืืืืืฉ: What do you mean they didn't go in his ways? He was a ืฆืืืง and they were not, they were bad. So he says, no, ืืืจืืื ืืื ืืื ืืืื, they didn't do like him. But ืืืืื ืื ืืืื, they didn't sin, they weren't like him. The ืืืจื will even go into detail what exactly wasn't like him. But they weren't like him, but it doesn't say they sinned. ืืื ืื ืื ื ืืงืืื why does it say in ืคืกืืง: ืืืื ืืืจื ืืืฆืข, it says they turned to money? In other words they they took See, ืฉืืืื was a ืฉืืคื, ืฉืืืื judged the people, they were also judges. So here it's ืืฉืืข that they took bribery. They turned after the money, someone gave them, paid them more, they someone bribed them, they ืคืกืงื 'ื like him. That means like this he says, not the ืคืฉื that they took bribery, actually. They are two different ืขืืืจืืช would you say? One is to ืคืกืงื according to the bribery and one is to take bribery. If you take, automatically you ืคืกืงื like the bribery. Those are two different things, right? There is, but one is the result of the other. It's only an ืขืืืจื if you take it first. They took it on purpose. It says they did. ืืฉืืื ืืขืืจ ืขืื ื ืืืืื means that the ืฉืืื makes you make a mistake. Yeah. So no, it's still an ืขืืืจื if they made a mistake. So it's a bad thing. In other words they ืคืกืงื 'ื wrong. But well, ืคืกืงื 'ing wrong is an ืขืืืจื, especially if No, but if you take ืฉืืื and then you ืคืกืงื wrong Intentionally? I believe it's I believe so. If you take ืฉืืื, and you know that ืฉืืื will make you ืคืกืงื wrong, so it's your fault. It's how, you know how they call it the category, it's ืชืืืืชื ืืคืฉืืขื ืืกืืคื ืืืื ืก. Even if it's ืืื ืก later, they made a mistake, ืชืืืืชื ืืคืฉืืขื ืืกืืคื ืืืื ืก is a ืคืฉืืขื. You're ืืืื. This is ืืืฉ a good example of ืชืืืืชื ืืคืฉืืขื ืืกืืคื ืืืื ืก. You take bribery and you ืคืกืงื wrong by mistake, it's not an ืืื ืก. No, but ืืฉืขืช ืืขืฉื you could call it an ืืื ืก. He didn't mean to ืคืกืงื wrong, he looked in and his mind worked that way. But why did it work that way? If it's ืคืกืง wrong, it's his fault. So we find by ืคืจืขื the other five ืืืืช that the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ made it. The ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ made his heart hard, so why did he punish for all the ืืืืช? The one of the answers the ืจืื brings because the reason the ืจืื\"ื says why it happened is because the first five he did it on his own, so the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ punished him, so it's ืชืืืืชื ืืคืฉืืขื ืืกืืคื ืืืื ืก. So the hardening of the heart was the punishment. Was the punishment. Anyway, so the ืืืจื asks, if you say they didn't sin, what's the ืคืฉื that they turned to money? ืฉืื ืขืฉื ืืืขืฉื ืืืืื, they didn't behave like their father, ืฉืืืื. What did he do? ืฉืืืื ืืฆืืืง ืืื ืืืืจ ืืื ืืงืืืืช ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืชื ืืขืจืืื. ืฉืืืื would go to the people, he would travel to the cities to judge them. ืฉื ืืืจ it says: ืืืื ืืื ืฉื ื ืืฉื ื ืืกืื ืืืช-ืื ืืืืืื ืืืืฆืคื, he went to this city, that city, ืืฉืคื ืืช ืืฉืจืื, they ืคืกืงื 'ื. ืืื ืื ืขืฉื ืื, they didn't go. ืืื ืืฉืื ืืขืจืืื, they sat in their cities, not so they should get money, ืืื ืืืจืืืช ืฉืืจ ืืืื ืืื ืืืกืืคืจืืื. Because if you come to a city, you're a judge, so you always have the people who are there, the ones that write down the ืคืกืง and the people who take care, the secretaries. So if you come to every city, you have different secretaries because they're over there. He wanted his guys to get the money, so he sat home and always these guys got it. So it's not really bribery. For them, aber that's not considered like ืฉืืืื. ืฉืืืื didn't want that. ืืืืื that's the ืคืฉื that they didn't sin. But then then when it's not so true, not everyone agrees that they didn't sin. ืืชื ืื It's a ืืืืืงืช ืชื ืืื. ืฉืืืื got paid? ืฉืืืื got paid when he went? When he went to judge he was getting paid? It was a job? No, if if anything he got ืฉืืจ ืืืื. You're not allowed to get paid. You're not allowed to. Says ืืืื ืืืจื ืืืฆืข, the ืืจืืืชื quotes the ืคืกืืง that he turned to the money. ืจืื ืืืืจ ืืืืจ, different ืคืฉื, ืืืงื ืฉืืื ืืคืืื. They went and they asked for their share. Since they were ืืืืื, ืฉืืืื was a ืืื, they got ืืขืฉืจ ืจืืฉืื. And they came they would ask for it from people. And what would that do? Since they were ืืฉืืื people, no one had the ืืืฆืคื not to give him. So basically they got it, and what happened? So most other ืืืืื couldn't get. Even if people didn't want to give him, they ืคืฉืื felt uncomfortable so they gave him. And that's really bribery. That's not That's taking money and now they're going to judge him and they got the ืืขืฉืจ. ืจืื ืืืืื ืืืืจ, ืจืื ืืืืื says, but not real bribery. But the other one, he's real bribery, ืืืื ืืืืื ืขื ืืขืื ืืชืื, more of bribery. What is the ืคืฉื?