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Shabbos 108a

Why a King's Death Still Counts as Chashivus

Part of Ein Yaakov · 5:09

A short halachic piece distinguishing neveilah from treifah, and the tumah status of a non-Jew's body.

Audio Transcript
Chashivus and the King’s Killing

... הנה chashivus. אבער איך מיין פשט זה שהרג הרג המלך, like king killed him. So the same thing here is, says like this. Dead is dead. It was chashivus. Yeah, better. A better, a better death. A better death. The death, it's it's just at least if he had to die, he died in a mechubad'dike way. The dignity, yeah, yeah. So the same thing here. If it was neveilah treifah, it's killed by the, died, it wasn't neveilah treifah, it died by itself. It got sick by itself. The Oibershter did it. Oh, so even because it's a kasher animal, the fact they can't eat it is because of something the Oibershter, that it's safe is something the Oibershter did, it's נישט אזא נפלא. But a בהמה טמאה, so vadai the Oibershter made it tamei, but בהמה טמאה is not didn't die because of the Oibershter. A בהמה טמאה, it could be was geshachten by a person. Or it's even if it's geshachten and kasher, it doesn't help it, it's still a בהמה טמאה. So he says the fact that this is a כשר'ע בהמה and it died through the Oibershter, that makes it chashivus. To be... בהמה טמאה, the Oibershter made him tamei. Yeah, the mefarshim talk about it, what's the chiluk of this. He's talking about the killing, that's why he gives the example of killing. It depends on the way it was killed. And this killing that done by a בהמה טמא, by a בהמה טרפה, and it's killed by the Oibershter, it's בהמשך to it if it was a kasher animal, now the Oibershter killed it. But this was לכתחילה טרפה. But a human being killed the treifah. נעשה על ידי שמים, or does he mean a human being? No, but a treifah normally and neveilah, what's a classic, a case of neveilah? A בהמה died by itself. What's a classical case of treifah? It had a sickness, which the Oibershter made. It had a something, a hole in the lung, the Oibershter made. But he was a kasher a week ago. We're talking about a kasher animal became tereifah. No, neveilah became neveilah. A behemah, a

Neveilah vs Treifah Distinctions

cow died. You can't eat it. So the Oibershter made it, killed it. Killed both of them. Yeah, but the... What killed the other one that he made tereif? Because if we're talking here, they're both dead animals. You take the skin of the dead animal. So here you're taking off a dead animal that it died because of the Oibershter. Because it's a kasher animal, be'etzem it's good, and the Oibershter killed it. The other one is lechatchilah no good. It's still not edible. That's why he says, the Gemara asks, אלא מעתה, so you ask, יאכלו? So why can't we eat it? If you look at it, the fact that it died by the Oibershter is not so bad, so be able to eat it. אמר ליה, so he says that thing, התורה אמרה לא תאכלו כל נבלה, the תורה says don't eat it. ואתה אמרת, you say you should eat it? אין הכי נמי, תאכלו, you should eat it. The תורה says not. אמר ליה, he said to him, \"קלוד.\" Rashi, קלוד means it's a good reason. In other words, you you answered me good. I guess it's in Aramaic or some other language. So the mashal of of the the נבלה של טרפה that was killed by the Oibershter, that's fits. The she'eilah is the other one. Who did it kill? It's also by the Oibershter. A צייד killed it. No, no. Also, it's fine. It's a mashal because it's טרפה לכתחילה. So whatever was, it died later, goes behemshech to the tereifah. In other words, by the king, by the נבלה טרפה that died, it's behemshech it was kasher before. So the dying is not so bad. It's Over here it's tereifah to begin with. So it's lechatchilah, and so the dying doesn't That's something like that. Huh? The Oibershter brought the tereifah. Ein hachi nami. Yeah, but so it's still, no, the Oibershter made something no good. Here the Oibershter made a kasher thing. So be'etzem it's kasher, and the fact that it died is nisht kein peleh, because it died the Oybershter, it's a b'hemshech to the Oybershter. So it's the good thing continuing. So l'chorah you should eat it also. He says, you're right. How can you compare the melech to the Oybershter? Yeah, in the mashal. The Oybershter, the best mashal to the Oybershter is a melech. It's fun, דאורייתא, a

Non‑Jews and Tumah Status

גוי is not מטמא. Why? Because only It's a But משא\"כ, a person that has chayus, Yeah, only a Yid can become, yeah, becomes טמא. Yeah. So maybe, since it was it was once had chayus in it, so this chayus, so it has the הדר of chayus. Mah she'ein kein a נבלה... But here it's saying a נבלה is better. Huh? Saying a נבלה is better. Even a נבלה is kasher for tefillin. נבלה and a טרפה, but not a בהמה טמאה. of having chayus. But a בהמה טמאה also had chayus. But not kedushah, not chayus, a קדושה'דיקע חיות. Like a גוי doesn't have chayus, but he's not He's טמא. It's the same thing. No, but, can't because he's חי, he's not טמא, because חי. It was kasher before. Good, that's that's the point. before, also. It doesn't with chayus. A בהמה טמאה also has chayus. A goy also has chiyut. The reason why a goy can't be tamei is But can't, if he has chiyut, that's why you can't He's not tamei because he has chiyut. Chiyut takes away the tumah. You don't know what I'm getting at. Why? Because they're in מציאות and once being kasher. Yeah. Oh, that's a different vort. That's a different vort, and then, yeah. That's that's what he's trying to say. The she'eilah is, though, how the mashal with with killing of of a human being, but the the nekudah is, the

Conclusion on Kasher Animal Death

bottom line, this is a kasher animal. It's a kasher animal, even if it died, איז נישט געפערלעך. If it died by itself, let's say, by an accident, whatever. Yeah.

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