What about could there ever be a nafka mina? Yeah, a nafka mina could be if the guy forces you to take. Right. So then if he forces you to take, why... You're not over on לא תגזול. Why should you be over on like לא תחמוד? You shouldn't be over on either. There's never a nafka mina between the two according to the author of according to... He says... The truth the truth is you'd be over on לא תגזול also. You're over on both here. Yeah, so when is... No! No, you're only over on לא תגזול, not over on לא תחמוד, no? Why? You didn't steal it! Oh! When somebody forces you... Yeah. When somebody forces you to steal... If to steal from a guy. to steal from a guy, Yeah, and pay him even. and pay him, so how can you be over on לא תגזול? You're saying you're over it, but you're not... No, I'll give you No, you're asking because of אונס רחמנא פטריה, no? Let's say, good, so I'll have to explain this. Let's say a guy forces you, but not אונס מחמת נפשות, but אונס מחמת ממון. If someone says to you, \"If you don't steal from him, I'll kill you.\" Right, then obviously there's no problem. He says, \"If you don't steal from him, I'll burn your house down.\" You're not allowed to steal. So what you did was a gezeilah that you were not allowed to do. But nevertheless you can't say you wanted it. That's right. So

לא תגזול doesn't need a will. Why can't you say that want has something to do with if it benefits me? Why can't that be the... What's the equation of... No, that's that's indirect. It's indirect. Good, but we're saying, but in regular stealing you want, you want to steal. It's not you have a chemdah, it's just that for a second you wanted it, but it's not opposite of chemdah. But if someone forces you and otherwise you wouldn't do it, then it's opposite of chemdah. And you're not patur, you're over on לא תגזול. Why are you over on לא תגזול? Because you shouldn't have done it. See, if he forces you and you know he's going to kill you, then yeah, but if he doesn't say that, then you're over on לא תגזול, but לא תחמוד you're not over. That would be a That could be a nafka mina, yeah. There seems to be a difference in coveting something, desiring something, and just wanting it. There is a there's a cutoff there. You know, you are you... מה שאין כן if you learn like the fourth category, then that just wanting would be enough. It just seems that the fourth category is somewhat incompatible with a crime that head the header is a thought, is a machshavah element. It's more ephemeral. But when we say לא תחמוד, there's no... No, obviously it's not. That's the fourth cat The fourth category is the ma'aseh, the ikar is... That's right, but see,

according to everybody else, there is no fourth category of לא תחמוד, because it doesn't make sense. Unless yeah, unless we say it that it's the fourth category, then the taytsh of לא תחמוד is that it cannot be if you don't have chemdah. You're not over if you don't have You have to have a chemdah that it's not not chemdah. That's the only way you have to have it. But see, even It's almost like once you're talking about the chemdah that's not not chemdah, you're talking in the realm of chemdah. It's the realm of chemdah. Right! Because if you Because every time you take, according to this, it's chemdah. Right. You know they say a joke, once a guy came to his father and said kid came, says, \"This guy wanted to give me a patsh.\" He says, \"How do you know he wanted to?\" \"Because he gave me.\" So, \"Why do you say he wanted to?\" \"Because if he wouldn't want to, he wouldn't give me.\" In other words, good! So that's enough that's enough of chemdah. And that what is it not? If the guy forced him to do it. מה שאין כן לא תגזול, there chemdah is not the tenai. Here, even the pushing, if the guy pushed you, you're still over. Ah, you're patur because you're forced? I'm saying in a case where you shouldn't have done it. Right. Why didn't Tosafos learn the other way, that by chemdah you by what do you call it? You need a you need chemdah, and by לא תגזול, so you also have to have chemdah, too? What does it say? I don't know, but I mean you could learn it the opposite way.

Here it says לא תחמוד. There it doesn't say לא תחמוד. Why would you need a chemdah by לא תגזול? Is this is this peshat which holds אליבא דתוספות, or other Tosafos and that hold that that לא תחמוד is the fourth? We don't know. No, that's it. If it takes the header, it's going to be that way.