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Taanis 25a

Can You Benefit from a Miracle? The Goat That Wasn't a Goat

Part of Ein Yaakov · 24:05

The story behind a rumor about Rabbi Chanina ben Dosa's goat, the prohibition on benefiting from a miracle, and the clouds debating whose fields deserve rain.

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The Goat Rumor About Rabbi Chanina ben Dosa

רבי חנינא בן דוסא הוו להו הנהו עיזי. רבי חנינא בן דוסא had these goats. אמרו ליה, they told him, קא מפסדן עיזך, that your goats are ruining other people's fields. There is an איסור to מגדל עיזים in ארץ ישראל, no? בהמה דקה. בהמה דקה. What's the difference between דקה and עיזים? No, could be that it's only if it's not chained or not hold. The main thing is because they eat from other fields. So they said, first of all this was not in ארץ ישראל probably, this was in בבל, this was in But anyway it was the way that he kept it, but people made out give out a rumor that his sheep his goats are are ruining other people's fields. How do you know it's a rumor? Because you know the story already? אמר להו, so he said to them, אי קא מפסדן, he says I don't know, if they are doing this, ניכלינהו דובי, let bears come and eat them up. ואי לא, if it's not true, and כל חדא וחדא תיתי דובא בקרנהא, each one of these goats should bring a bear in his horns this evening when he comes home. לאורתא, that evening, כל חדא וחדא אייתי דובא בקרנהא. That evening, every one of his goats brought a bear in his in his horns. This is who? רבי חנינא בן דוסא. חנינא בן דוסא? Yeah. Yeah. Same רבי חנינא בן דוסא. This is the great צדיק he was, and הות ליה ההיא שיבבתא דבנתה ביתא, he had this neighbor, this lady neighbor who built a house. ולא קא מטיין כשורה, and for some reason when they made they measured the beams to hold up the ceiling from one roof from one wall to the other, they were too short. Wasn't able to reach. אמרה ליה, she said to him, בנאי ביתא, I built a house, ולא קא מטיין כשורי, and my beams don't meet don't reach. אמר לה, he said to her, מה שמך? What's your name? אמרה ליה, she said, איכו. איכו. אמר לה, so he said, איכו, לימטיין כשוריך. איכו, let your beams reach. מטו כשורי, so they reached. They got stretched out and they reached. They're talking about רבי חנינא בן דוסא. Better than a carpenter. Yeah. ויש אומרים, some say סניפין עשו להם. Some say like this, told them just take like more pieces of wood and add it to the sides and all of a sudden they got connected and the wood became bigger. In other words, the other one was it stretched out completely, here they added something, but also it was a נס. תנא, we learned, פלימו אומר, פלימו said, אני ראיתי את הבית שקירה רבי חנינא בן דוסא בתפלתו, I saw that house that the beams the ceiling came through רבי חנינא בן דוסא's תפילה. והיו לכן אמה ולכן אמה, and they were so long that they even stuck out on each side out of the walls an אמה, that's how so it stretched out. And what does that mean לכן אמה ולכן אמה? That means it was extra an אמה each side. Each side. Well, what's so important? The only thing is that they connect. What's so such a Just to show that that went so far that that even to show that it's has a size and this is what they were recognizing, like an אמה. A נס, how do you have benefit from a נס when you're not supposed to? And here we are, lady's got her house now built. So, is that a

Can We Benefit from a נס? The Prohibition

קללה? This איסור, what it says, איסור that ליהנות ממעשה נסים is not a real איסור. Not a real איסור? It's for צדיקים only, maybe. For צדיקים only, yeah. והיו אומרים, and they would say, זה הבית שקירה רבי חנינא בן דוסא בתפלתו. This is the how they would show this is the house that רבי חנינא בן דוסא that he was made the roof with his תפילה. If you can't get any benefit from a נס, who needs it? Huh? Yeah. We were talking about it last time. You can't pay anybody what? You can't get any benefit from a נס. Benefit. Who needs it? Saying it depends if it's extra or something that you must have, and Yeah, you have to have that. זאגט די גמרא ווייטער, רבי אלעזר בן פדת That's extra, then. הוה דחיקא ליה מילתא טובא. רבי חנינא רבי חנינא בן פדת, yeah, רש״י says he was from the רבנן of ארץ ישראל, was very poor. עבד מילתא, he did something. The word עבד מילתא means he, גמרא uses it when he a person who used to draw blood, so he drew blood. Now when you draw blood, you have to eat something right after that. ולא הוה ליה מידי למיטעם, had nothing to eat. אישתכח ברא דתומא, he found like a piece of of of קנאבל, of of garlic, שדייה לפומיה, he took it to his mouth, חלש לביה, so he fainted. וניים, and he fell asleep. עלו רבנן לשיולי ביה. חכמים heard that he is sick, he got sick, so they came to visit him. חזיוהו, they saw while he was sleeping דבכי, he cried, וחייך, and he laughed, ונפק ציצי נורא מאפוסיה, and a spark of fire came from his forehead in the middle of sleeping. כי אתר, when he woke up, אמרו ליה, they said to him, מאי טעמא בכה מר? Why did you cry? וחייך, and then you laughed. ונפק ציצי נורא מאפוסיה, and then from your forehead from your face came out a spark of fire. אמר להו, he said, this is what happened, דהוה יתיב עמי הקדוש ברוך הוא, you know, I went to שמים, and השם was sitting with me. ואמרי קמיה, I said to him, עד אימתי אדבר ואזיל בהאי דוחקא? How long will it go on that I will sit like this, being poor, not having any money? ואמר לי, so he said to me, אלעזר בני, ניחא לך דאפכיה לעלמא והדר אבריה? Do you want I should change over the world, like destroy the world and reconnect create it, ואפשר, maybe when I'll recreate it דמתרמת בשעתא דמזוני, then you you'll be born created again, maybe then you'll have a better מזל. Now you're created with a מזל not to have any food. So do you want me to destroy the world and then change everything and make you have be born make maybe maybe in a place in the מזל of food? אמרי קמיה, so I said to the אויבערשטער, Does that mean him or the whole world? No, it's talking about him. It could seem to apply that if he was created now. No, he's talking to him, I guess. בשבילי נברא עולם. Huh? Yeah. Good. Yes, that's true. Not only בשבילי, this is a great guy. He's like the leader. אמרי קמיה, I said to the אויבערשטער Just destroy the whole world for him? For one man? Yeah, if he would agree, the אויבערשטער. So he said to the אויבערשטער, כולי האי ואפשר? He said like this, I'll do all that, and maybe you'll be created in a time of good מזל, all that? אמרי ליה, and I said to him, שני דחיי נפישי אי דחיינא? The years that I lived are the majority of my life, or the years I'm going to live are more than the years I lived already? אמר לי, he said to me, דחיית. The one that you lived already is more. You couldn't ask him, \"How long I'm going to live?\" But at least to know. He said, \"Yeah, you're going to live now less years than what you lived already.\" השם, don't get an answer for how long you're going to live, you know. Doesn't say. Right. Doesn't say, but he did tell him some Hint. You get a kind of subtle hint. אמרי קמיה, אמרי קמיה, I said to the אויבערשטער, אי הכי לא בעינא. If that's the case, I don't want. It's not worth to destroy the world, and only a maybe, and only for how many years, not so many years. Not worth it. אמר לי, so the אויבערשטער said to me, בהאי אגרא דאמרת לא בעינא, because of the שכר that you said that you don't want, יהיבנא לך לעלמא דאתי, I will give you in עולם הבא תליסר נהרוותא דמשחא אפרסמא דכיין. I will give you 13 rivers of אפרסמא ד, oil of אפרסמא ד that's that's very, balsam oil, very with a good smell. כפרת, כפרת ודגלת, such big ones like the פרת and דגלת. דמענגת בהו, and you will have עונג. You will have pleasure from it. What do you think that means? I mean physically, you know, להבדיל, we don't talk about what they they killed themselves for, but Yeah, yeah. But you don't You don't think physical. Not physical, but I guess it's equivalent to the physical thing, but it's a רוחניות. אמרי קמיה, I said to him, רבונו דעלמא, אויבערשטער, כולי האי ותו לא? That's all you're giving me? 13 rivers and אמר לי, so he said to him, ולחברך מאי נסיבנא? So should give you more? What will I give the other צדיקים, to the other חברים? Can't give you everything. Ran out. אמרי ליה, so I said to him, ומי גברא דלית ביה כולי האי דלית ליה קא בעינא? What, see רש״י has another גירסא, what he means to say I don't want to take from anybody else. So really, you're right. If you're going to If you say that it's going to mean taking away from others, I'm not asking to take away from others. ומחיין באסכותא אפותיה, and the אויבערשטער, with his small finger, gave him a hit on his forehead.

Conversation with God: Destroying the World for One

ואמר לי, and he said, ברי אגריך בגירי. He says, it's, in a לשון, he says, \"My son, I'm going to send my arrows to you.\" That means, I'm going to give you something, and he gave him a knock on his forehead, and that's what the fire came out. So, that's the answer. So what was he laughing, what first crying and laughing? Was crying, I guess, when he asked the אויבערשטער, you know, \"I'm poor.\" And when the אויבערשטער said this whole conversation, he started laughing, smiling. And then when the אויבערשטער gave him a hit on with his finger on his forehead, that's when the fire came out. So, it seems that there's a thought from the מהרש״א that a a a a רשע, he lose he foregoes his portion in the world to come, and that goes over to to to a צדיק. That that can go to a צדיק, so he can Gets somebody else's. Yeah. Well, that's actually based on פרק, based on פרקי אבות, where it says that the 10 דורות from נח to אברהם didn't get anything עד שבא אברהם ונטל שכר כולם. אברהם took the שכר of the, in other words, השם sometimes gives away. It's על דרך like it says also by the, the אריז״ל says that this famous רב אלעזר בן דורדיא was a בעל עבירה and he did תשובה and he cried and he died. And רבי said יש קונה עולמו בשעה אחת. So, there's האריז״ל asks, how do you call him רב אלעזר בן דורדיא? To be called רבי, okay, I learned. He's a big צדיק and a big בעל תשובה and he reached higher מדרגה, how do you call him רב אלעזר? רב is supposed to be the title that you get for for learning. So, the האריז״ל answers, he was a גלגול of יוחנן כהן גדול. יוחנן כהן גדול was a כהן גדול 80 years. He was a big תלמיד חכם, a big צדיק, then he became a צדוקי. When he became a צדוקי, they took away his רב. So, we don't call him רב יוחנן כהן גדול, יוחנן כהן גדול. What happened to his רב? Came to רב אלעזר בן דורדיא. So, we take from one and we give to the other. Remember they call him רבי, it's it's written רבי because it goes on the תשובה that he did. Yeah, but how did he get the title רבי? Even after, no, even after תשובה he shouldn't be called רבי. But he had learned before though? No. No, he was a complete רשע. Yeah, it doesn't say was it was a תנא that became bad or something. Oh. He was a bad guy. He was a bad guy, he was a בעל big בעל עבירה. Then he did such a great תשובה that he reached this high מדרגה. בשעה אחת, יש קונה עולמו בשעה אחת, so רבי cried. יש קונה, you know the famous טייטש? I heard in the name of the גערער רבי or somebody, the גערער רבי's. Why did רבי cry? רבי cried, \"Look, there's somebody who can get your world, your עולם הבא in one moment, one hour.\" Should have smiled, have been happy, should have smiled, saying, \"Look!\" מחיה, in one smart way again. So, why did he Also he asked the שאלה on the לשון. It says he cried יש קונה עולמו. Says יש There is, you could be קונה עולמו. What do you mean you could? You said, \"Look what this guy did.\" Anyway, he טייטש why was he crying? He said, \"יש, can you he's able to get your עולם in one minute, why doesn't anyone do it?\" That's why he was crying. Since יש קונה עולמו בשעה אחת, נו, well, if you have to work a lot, you could טענה, \"I can't work a lot,\" but just all you need is שעה אחת, נו, why didn't you do it? That's the amount of time, the amount of work you got to put into that one. No, he didn't put much work. It was It was a spontaneous. He was so broken in heart. He was So, no, and that happened because the What What the What the זונה told him. So we can all run to look for the זונות and? You don't have to go. That That's That's not the point. It wasn't because So, if the if the are kind of a common If If it only takes one moment, the the if your whole life is is is filled with with moments, who says that's going to be the moment you can do it? No, any moment you could do it. If you decide to, from now on, you could do it. If you just have to cap off to your שכל, you could uh Certain things could bring you to it, but you don't have to wait for that. You have to Start things says, \"Stop for a moment, think, and you'll see.\" So maybe we're doing it little by little, little bits, you know, adding up, and it's not just, you know, then we're going to you pass like, you know, All right. Uh רבינו, but uh what what happened uh uh the things with uh this uh prostitute, you after he left there, he start to ask from the mountain and the sun, the they really give him the answer that break him to pieces that he understand, \"I have to I really have to make a תשובה.\" Not she really. It's not It's not she. Right, that happened after, cuz she told him something. But it's Exactly, yeah. then he's broke his heart to pieces, then he Yeah, then then he did the תשובה, yeah, exactly. Crying till uh Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, the גמרא right there,

Rabbi Hama bar Chanina’s Fast and the Rain

רבי חמי בר חנינא גזר תעניתא. רבי חמי בר בר חנינא made a תענית, a fast day, cuz there was no rain. ולא אתא מטרא, didn't rain. אמרו ליה, they said to him, \"For רבי יהושע בן לוי גזר תעניתא ואתא מטרא. רבי יהושע בן לוי made a תענית and it did rain. How come with you it doesn't?\" אמר להו, he said, \"הא אנא והא בר ליואי. What are you comparing? This is me and this is רבי בן לוי, יהושע בן לוי. He was a big צדיק, it can help, but I'm I'm not a big צדיק, it doesn't help.\" אמרו ליה, they said to him, \"נעשה ונכוין דעתן. They said, \"Let's try to be מכוין our mind, איפשר דתברי צבורא לבייהו. Maybe that's the community will have שבירת הלב, their heart will be broken, they'll really do תשובה, ונבעי רחמי, then we'll דאוון, ואתי מטרא, it'll rain.\" בעו רחמי, so they did, they דאוונד, ולא אתא מטרא. It didn't rain. אמר להו, he said to them, \"רצונכם שיבא מטר בשבילנו? Do you really want that it should come rain in our זכות? Do you mind if it comes not because of the ציבור, because in our זכות?\" רבי חמא בר חנינא I guess said. אמרו ליה, they said, \"הן.\" They said, \"Yeah.\" Oh, so now he said, \"Let me try.\" אמר, he said, \"רקיע רקיע, This This the same one who was גוזר the first time? Yeah. That the same תענית, but the Rashi says he was relying before on the ציבור and the ציבור didn't weren't worthy, then they said maybe they will do, and they did, and it didn't help. He says, \"You want it should come in my זכות, I could do it.\" What did he say? \"רקיע רקיע, sky, sky, כסי פניך. Let your face be covered, let's clouds come.\" לא כסי. It didn't. אמר, he said, \"כמה עזין פני רקיע. kind of חוצפה that the רקיע has, doesn't listen to me. כסי ואתי. And he said that, such strong words, got covered with clouds, ואתא מיטרא, it rained. This is where one of the things says חוצפה כלפי שמיא מהני. Sometimes you have חוצפה to the... to the אייבערשטער, but if you do it... obviously he didn't mean חוצפה, but he meant with an אמת, he cared so much for the suffering of the people that he spoke like that, and that happened. חוצפה כלפי שמיא? No, speaking חוצפדיק. He spoke it. He says, again, who are you? Okay, he spoke to the רקיע. So who did that? That was רב חמא בר חנינא in the end? Yeah. Oh, okay, so he finally... לוי גזר תעניתא, לוי also made a תענית. בעא רחמי, he davened, ולא אתא מיטרא, it didn't rain.

Arrogance Before Heaven: Speaking חוצפה

אמר לפניו, so he said to him, to the אייבערשטער, ריבונו של עולם, עלית וישבת במרום, you went up, you went to שמים, ואין אתה מרחם על בניך, you don't have רחמנות on your children. What kind of... Also this is real חוצפה. I mean like, what are you doing? What does that mean עלית? אתא מיטרא. What does that mean עלית? You went up. Yeah, but I know, but what does it... That means as if you're mailing yourself, you don't, you don't... So, it's like it rained, אובל ואיטלע. He was punished and he became הינקעדיק, lame. Lame, he couldn't walk. אמר רבי אלעזר, רבי אלעזר said, לעולם אל יטיח אדם דברים כלפי מעלה. Don't speak חוצפה to the אייבערשטער. Here the difference that here he spoke direct to השם. השם, yeah, the one before spoke to רקיע, which also meant השם, but it says, but it's רקיע. So, he said a person should not speak חוצפדיק to שמים, שהרי אדם גדול הטיח דברים כלפי מעלה, a great person, לוי, said this to שמים, spoke to שמים, ואיטלע, and he got, became lame. ומנו? לוי. פרעגט די גמרא, והא גרמא ליה? You're telling me this is the reason why he became הינקעדיק, lame? והא לוי אחוי קידה קמיה דרבי ואיטלע, and we know a different reason. He wanted to show how to do קידה. We know ויקדו וישתחוו, there's three things: there's קידה, השתחואה, and ויפלו על פניהם, and falling on their face. קידה is a special way you got to put your fingers, it's a גאנצע... So, לוי once wanted to demonstrate in front of רבי how you do קידה, and when he was doing it, he slipped I guess, or this, and he twists his foot and and he became lame. So, we see not because of what he said before. So, the גמרא says, הא והא גרמא ליה, both together. In other words, two things together. I guess after that happened, after he spoke to שמים it wouldn't be enough. That's not enough to make it happen. Now that after he did... It's almost like בשעת הסכנה, if השם upset that he did something, He doesn't punish you, but when it comes to a סכנה time He does it. זאגט די גמרא ווייטער, He's entitled to hold a grudge. He's entitled? He's entitled to hold a grudge. Who, the אייבערשטער? Yeah. It's not taking a grudge, it's פארקערט. You're looking the wrong way. He could have punished him right away. He's entitled to be ארך אפים. He could have forgiven it. Forgive? Okay. I know, but it doesn't... But He didn't like go to extreme. He could He's ארך אפים, He waited. We're not supposed to do that. Right? Aber a קל וחומר, the אייבערשטער could be angry at you, you're not allowed to be angry at a איד and the אייבערשטער could be angry at you. Yeah, you can't, the אייבערשטער could. We can't because it's it's גאוה. The אייבערשטער could be a בעל גאוה. Why can't we be a בעל גאוה? Because there's no מציאות besides the אייבערשטער. The אייבערשטער, פארקערט, He's He's a בעל גאוה, because that's He's the true מציאות. That's true. It's a fact. Jewish pride? Jewish pride, it's it's a fact. In truth if a person is not a If knows the truth and he says I'm the greatest person, when he really is, doesn't mean himself, he's saying the fact. Like that like the רשב״י said, ראיתי בני עליה והם שנים, אני ובני, אם אחד הוא, אני. I'm the greatest person in the world, he said. It's גאוה? It's a real fact. He didn't mean himself. Child, ask a little child in school, in kindergarten: who's the best in the class? If he's the best: I'm the best. He's not trying to boast, he's telling you the truth. I mean, he's very innocent. זאגט די גמרא ווייטער,

Clouds Discuss Dropping Rain on Ammon and Moab

רב חייא בר לולייני שמעינהו להנהו ענני, רב חייא בר לולייני heard clouds דקאמרי, the clouds were talking to each other, and they said: ניזל ונישדי מיטרא בעמון ומואב. Let's go drop rain in עמון ומואב. By the way, do we have a מנין? I don't think so. Three guys outside. Maybe you could go look for them. Just let's go drop rain in עמון ומואב. אמר להו, so he said to the clouds, כשחיזר הקדוש ברוך הוא את התורה על כל אומה ולשון, and השם asked to take the תורה on all the nations, ולא קבלוה, they didn't take it, עד שבאו ישראל וקבלוה, they didn't, took it, ואתם שבקיתו ישראל, you are He went to עמון ומואב, they didn't take it. So now he's telling it to God, and you are leaving ישראל ושדיתו מיטרא בעמון ומואב? You're throwing on עמון ומואב? שדו אחד... דדוכתייהו. Drop it on the right place. Wait, I'm sorry. What's happening here? He heard two clouds talking. One cloud says to the other, \"Let's go to עמון ומואב and drop rain,\" which means ארץ ישראל wouldn't get, and מואב עמון So, he says to them, מואב didn't want to take the תורה. יידן took the תורה. Why are you going there to give the rain? Give it here! Who's the

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angel מלאך that ושדיו אדוכתייהו. So, actually they listened, and they gave it here. What's the מלאך that's in charge We say it in much We say in the rain, אברי... אפרי... Yeah, אבריותא. אבריותא, right. In later גמרא it gives a different name, but in in in גשם we say אבריותא. גשם, אבריותא. שיבסאר, שר של גשם. Right. Seems like a main he's the main guy, right? Yeah, maybe he has agents. Yeah. We got to find a מניין, man. I don't think we had a שיעור today if we only have two three people, so. Somebody go outside? Look, the kids the kids are kids are in the middle. Kids are ready, yeah. Kids are in the middle? Yeah, eight Oh, someone is coming in. Yeah. No. שלום עליכם. We

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