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EIN YAAKOV

Gittin 43a; later 45a

A Prisoner Who Understood the Birds, and Divorce Over Rumors

Part of Ein Yaakov · 19:16

Stories of Rabbah bar Rav Huna's shifting rulings, a scholar who understood bird-speech while imprisoned, and whether a husband can divorce his wife over a bad rumor.

Audio Transcript
Gemara introduction with Rabbah bar Rav Huna

Yeah, ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ื™ Gemara say, ื“ืจืฉ ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืจ ืจื‘ ื”ื•ื ื. Rabbah bar Rav Huna ื“ืจืฉ: ื›ืฉื ืฉื”ืžืงื“ืฉ ื—ืฆื™ ืืฉื” ืื™ื ื” ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช, just like if you're mekadesh half of a woman she's not ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช, ื™ืดื“ ืขืดื. Just like if you're mekadesh half a woman you can't be mekadesh, she's not ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช, ื›ืš ื—ืฆื™ ืฉืคื—ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ ืฉื ืชืงื“ืฉื” ืื™ื ื” ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช. If a woman who is she's a ื’ื•ื™ื”, ืฉืคื—ื”, but she was half ืฉืคื—ื” half free, if she's free, when a ืฉืคื—ื” ื›ื ืขื ื™ืช becomes free she becomes a Yid, just like a ืขื‘ื“ ื›ื ืขื ื™. How do you have half ืฉืคื—ื” have half hold on. If two partners owned her as a ืฉืคื—ื”, one freed her, one was ืžืฉื—ืจืจ and one not. So if you're mekadesh her, so basically you're mekadesh half of the woman. So just like you can't be mekadesh half a woman, you can't be mekadesh half a ืฉืคื—ื” half a ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ.

Rav Chasda challenges halfโ€‘woman ruling

ืืžืจ ืœื™ื” ืจื‘ ื—ืกื“ื - ืจื‘ ื—ืกื“ื said to him, \"No. ืžื™ ื“ืžื™? How could you compare it? ื”ืชื ืฉื™ื™ืจ ื‘ืงื ื™ื™ื ื•, ื”ื›ื ืœื ืฉื™ื™ืจ ื‘ืงื ื™ื™ื ื•. Over there by half a woman, you left over how much was possible. You could be mekadesh a whole woman. If you're only mekadesh half, you didn't mekadesh the full amount that you could, that's why she's not mekudeshet. By ื—ืฆื™ ืฉืคื—ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ, all you could do is half, because the other half is not Jewish. So maybe here, if you're mekadesh half a ืฉืคื—ื” half a ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ, since you gave her whatever possible, she is mekudeshet.\" So he takeh changed his mind. \"You give her whatever is possible, what do you mean?\" \"You're mekadesh every possible part of her that could be mekudeshet. Because she only could be mekudeshet half.\" \"And and the other the other partner won't let her go? Free her?\" \"If he lets her go, it's something else, but if he didn't.\" \"No, it's something else, but you can't It says ื‘ื›ืœืœ by a man like that, what happens if you have a ื—ืฆื™ ืขื‘ื“ ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื‘ืŸ ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ? You force the owner, the other owner, to free him, because now he's stuck. He can't marry anybody, he can't marry a Jewish woman, he can't marry a ืฉืคื—ื”, he's not shayach, he doesn't bring home any children. But here is different, here's a woman. She doesn't have a mitzvah of ืคืจื• ื•ืจื‘ื•.\" So the

Rabbah bar Rav Huna revises his opinion

Gemara says, ื”ื“ืจ ืื•ืงื™ ืจื‘ื” ื‘ืจ ืจื‘ ื”ื•ื ื - so Rabbah bar Rav Huna later, after he heard this, he made a like the amoraim the Tannaim used to have ืžืชื•ืจื’ืžืŸ, used to have people used to repeat their drashot. So he put up somebody, an ืืžื•ืจื ืขืœื™ื”, ืืžื•ืจื means the other ืชื•ืจื’ืžืŸ, ื•ื“ืจืฉ, and he made him ื“ืจืฉืŸ. He quoted a pasuk, \"ื•ื”ืžื›ืฉืœื” ื”ื–ืืช ืชื—ืช ื™ื“ืš.\" It says ื”ืžื›ืฉืœื”, if you're ื ื›ืฉืœ, if you stumble on something, ืชื—ืช ื™ื“ืš, then it's under your hand. ืื™ืŸ ืื“ื ืขื•ืžื“ ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจื™ ืชื•ืจื” ืืœื ืื ื›ืŸ ื ื›ืฉืœ ื‘ื”ื. A person will not remember, not know something unless he made a mistake. Here also. So now he changed, he wanted everyone to know that ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉืืžืจื• ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ ืืฉื”, so even though if you're ืžืงื“ืฉ half a woman she's not ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช, if you're ืžืงื“ืฉ a ื—ืฆื™ ืฉืคื—ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ, she is ืžืงื•ื“ืฉืช. That's basically the inyan of a ืฉืคื—ื” ื—ืจื•ืคื”. We say every morning there's a ืืฉื, ืืฉื ืฉืคื—ื” ื—ืจื•ืคื”. So what is that? If someone had relations with a ืฉืคื—ื”, who's a ืฉืคื—ื” ื—ืจื•ืคื”? ื—ืฆื™ ืฉืคื—ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื‘ืช ื—ื•ืจื™ืŸ. So on the one hand, you're not ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืžื™ืชื” because you ืžืงื“ืฉ her, she's only half married, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคื•ืขืœ she is half married. Half of her is married. Half ืžื™ืชื”, okay. Huh? She's an ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ. It has a din of an ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ. Not only like this, she has all the chumrot. She has the chumrot of a ืขื‘ื“, of a ืฉืคื—ื”, and the chumra of of a Jew. And now she also has the chumra of an ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ, but she can't go to her husband. Whoever was ืžืงื“ืฉ her, she can't live with him, because he's going to be living with half a ืฉืคื—ื”. On the other hand, if she goes with somebody else, she's an ืืฉืช ืื™ืฉ, she'll probably be ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืžื™ืชื”. \"So their their mitzvah to civilize the world is not as strong as the pru urvu on the man, so...\" \"No, by a man it's by a man it's also Shabbos. The Gemara says you force the owner to to free him. The Gemara quotes a pasuk, ืœื™ื‘ื˜ืœ, maybe they should not get married? You can't, because the Torah says 'ืœื ืœืชื•ื”ื• ื‘ืจืื” ืœืฉื‘ืช ื™ืฆืจื”'.\" \"So Tosafos asks, why does it, huh? (In pilpul, yeah. Spoke about it.) So the Gemara So Tosafos there asks, why epes did the Gemara pick ืœืฉื‘ืช? Why didn't the Gemara say ืคืจื• ื•ืจื‘ื•, since it's half a Yid?\" \"So the Gemara So Tosafos answered, the Gemara picked a pasuk which fits for both, both halves. A Yid has ืฉื‘ืช, even the ื—ืฆื™ ืขื‘ื“ part has a mitzvah of ืฉื‘ืช.\" \"So by a woman also.\" ื–ืื’ื˜

The daughters of Rav Nachman story

ื“ื™ ื’ืžืจื: ื‘ื ืชื™ื” ื“ืจื‘ ื ื—ืžืŸ, the daughters of ืจื‘ ื ื—ืžืŸ, ื‘ื—ืฉืŸ ืงื“ืจื” ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื”ืŸ. There would be a hot pot, boiling, and they had to stir the pot, they stirred it with their own hands! Now, ืงืฉื™ื ืœื™ื” ืœืจื‘ื™ ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ - Rabbi Eilish asks, \"See, it says a pasuk: ืื“ื ืื—ื“, ืื—ื“ ืžืืœืฃ ืžืฆืืชื™, one out of a thousand I found good, ื•ืืฉื” ื‘ื›ืœ ืืœื” ืœื ืžืฆืืชื™, a woman even one of a thousand is not. Now, she must have been a tzadeket!\" They must have been tzidkaniyot, it seems, that they were able to do that, not to get burned. So he asks a ืงืฉื™ื, ื•ื”ื ืื™ื›ื ื‘ื ืชื™ื” ื“ืจื‘ ื ื—ืžืŸ. Look, here you have the daughters of Rav Nachman, such great tzidkaniyot, so how does the pasuk say that you don't find amongst women should be such great people? What happened by it then? ื’ืจืžื ืœื”ื• ืžื™ืœืชื, something happened to them, ื•ืืฉืชื‘ื™ื™ืŸ, and they got captured by goyim. ื•ืืฉืชื‘ืื™ ืื™ื”ื• ื ืžื™ ื‘ื”ื“ื™ื™ื”ื•, he also. So Rav Eilish also got captured. Some reason, and he was there together with them. ื™ื•ืžื ื—ื“ ื”ื•ื” ื™ืชื™ื‘ ื’ื‘ื™ ื”ื”ื•ื ื’ื‘ืจื,

Rav Eilish in jail hearing birds

one day Rav Eilish was sitting with this man in jail, in in whatever, ื“ื”ื•ื” ื™ื“ืข ื‘ืœื™ืฉื ื ื“ืฆื™ืคืจื™, he could tell the he could understand the language of the birds. ืืชื ืขื•ืจื‘ื, came an orev, a raven, ื•ืงื ืงืจื™ ืœื™ื”, and was calling, was saying something. ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, so Rav Eilish said to that guy, that ื’ื•ื™, ืžืื™ ืงืืžืจ? What's the bird saying? ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, said the bird is saying, ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ ื‘ืจื— ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ ื‘ืจื—, ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ run away, Eilish escape! ืืžืจ, so he said, ืขื•ืจื‘ื ืฉื™ืงืจื ื”ื•ื, an ืขื•ืจื‘ is not a good bird, a liar, I don't trust him, ื•ืœื ืกืžื›ื™ื ืŸ ืขืœื™ื”, I don't trust him. ืื“ื”ื›ื™ ืืชื ื™ื•ื ื”, came a dove, ื•ืงื ืงืจื™ื, and it made noises. ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, so he said to that ื’ื•ื™, ืžืื™ ืงืืžืจื”? What's the dove saying? ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, he said, again, the dove is also saying, ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ ื‘ืจื— ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ ื‘ืจื—, ืขื™ืœื™ืฉ escape, Eilish escape! ืืžืจ, he said, oh ื›ื ืกืช ื™ืฉืจืืœ ื›ื™ื•ื ื” ืžืชื™ืœื, ื™ื™ื“ืŸ are compared to a ื™ื•ื ื”, to a bird, to a dove. And a dove, obviously, is a good bird, ืฉืžืข ืžื™ื ื” ืžืชืจื—ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื ื™ืกื. Re'aya from that bird is saying that, that if I escape now I'll manage, a nes will happen and I'll succeed. ืืžืจ, he said, but before he left, he said, ืื™ื–ื™ืœ, let me go, ืื—ื–ื™ ื‘ื ืชื™ื” ื“ืจื‘ ื ื—ืžืŸ. The daughters of Rav Nachman If I'm escaping, let me try to help them also. If I'm going to succeed, let them come, I'll schlep them with me. But I want to see ืื™ ืงื™ื™ืžืŸ ื‘ื”ื™ืžื ื•ืชื™ื™ื”ื•, are they still such ืฆื“ืงื ื™ื•ืช like they were before? ืื”ื“ืจื™ื ื”ื•, ื‘ื”ื™ืžื ื•ืชื™ื™ื”ื• ืื”ื“ืจื™ื ื”ื•, are they still staying with their ื”ื™ืžื ื•ืช? ืืžืจ, he said, how how will I know? How will I know if they're still ืฆื“ืงื ื™ื•ืช? ื ืฉื™, ื›ืœ ืžื™ืœื™ ื“ืื™ืช ืœื”ื• ืžืฉืชืขื™ื™ืŸ ืœื”ื• ื‘ื”ื“ื™ ื”ื“ื“ื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ืกื, these women talk to each other in the ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ืกื. So let me go close to the ื‘ื™ืช ื”ื›ืกื, they probably one is and they talk, and I'll be able to hear, I'll see what the conversation. ืฉืžื™ืขื ื”ื•, so he overheard them saying, ื“ืงืืžืจืŸ, they said like this: ื”ื“ื™ ื’ื•ื‘ืจื™ืŸ, these captives of ours, really they are our our husbands. Now they took us, and now we live with them, they're our husbands. ื•ื ื”ืจื“ืขืื™ ื’ื•ื‘ืจื™ืŸ, and the ones in Neharde'a that are original husbands, the real husbands, are also our husbands. But basically they're saying, we'd rather stay with these guys, with these ื’ื•ื™ื. ื ื™ืžื ืœื”ื•, let us tell these captives, the the captors, the one that captured us, ื“ืจื—ืงื™ื ื”ื• ืžื”ื›ื, they should take us away far from here, ื“ืœื ืœื™ืชื• ืื™ื ืฉื™ืŸ, that our husbands shouldn't hear, shouldn't come, ื•ืœื™ืฉืžืขื•, they'll hear, ื•ืœื™ืคืจื•ืงื ื, and they'll redeem us. We don't want to be redeemed, we'd rather stay with these ื’ื•ื™ื. So he saw that these kids, ladies, are not good ladies. They're the daughters of Rav Nachman. ืงื, he got up, ืขืจืง, and he ran away. He didn't take them along. ืืชื ืื™ื”ื• ื•ื”ื”ื•ื ื’ื‘ืจื, so he went, and he took along that ื’ื•ื™ that gave him the information, he ran with him. ืœื“ื™ื“ื™ื” ืื™ืชืจื—ื™ืฉ ืœื™ื” ื ื™ืกื, by him a miracle happened, ืขื‘ืจ ื‘ืžื‘ืจื, and he crossed the river, and that's it, and the ื’ื•ื™ื couldn't catch him, ื•ื”ื”ื•ื ื’ื‘ืจื ืืฉื›ื—ื•ื”, that other guy, they caught, ื•ืงื˜ืœื•ื”, and they killed him. ื›ื™ ื”ื“ืจ, when he came back, ื•ืืชื, and he came, ืืžืจ, he said, ื”ื”ื•ื ื”ื•ื” ืงื‘ื—ืฉื™ ืงื“ืจื” ื‘ื›ืฉืคื™ื, so they said that when they stirred the pot with their own hands, it was not because they were ืฆื“ืงื ื™ื•ืช, it was with kishufim. Huh? Kishufim, they were ืžื›ืฉืคื•ืช, they could do it. And mean this just shows that even the Rav Nachman had such daughters. What happened to them then? Why does the kishufim have to have a negative connotation? Kishufim is ืืกื•ืจ, ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื–ืจื”! Yeah. I'm thinking maybe it's ืงื‘ืœื”. Huh? No, it's kishufim the Gemara says. Why must it be ืงื‘ืœื”? It was witchcraft. It was witchcraft, yeah. The Gemara says it was witchcraft. And they were bad people. They weren't good. ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ื™ Gemara ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืขืจ,

Rabbi Elazar on divorce for bad rumors

ืืžืจ ืจื‘ื™ ืืœืขื–ืจ ื‘ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™, ืจื‘ื™ ืืœืขื–ืจ ื‘ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื•ืกื™ said, ืžืคื ื™ ืžื” ืืžืจื•, why did the ื—ื›ืžื™ื say, ื”ืžื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ืืฉืชื• ืžืฉื•ื ืฉื ืจืข, if someone divorces his wife because he heard bad rumors about her, that she's not that she's not behaving properly, so the ื“ื™ืŸ is, if he divorces her for that reason, ืœื ื™ื—ื–ื™ืจ, he could never, ever take her back. We make sure of that. And also ืžืฉื•ื ื ื“ืจ, if someone divorces his wife because he heard she makes ื ื“ืจื™ื, ืœื ื™ื—ื–ื™ืจ. We tell him, remember, before you divorce her, remember! If you divorce her, even later, normally if you divorce your wife and you decide to take her back, you're allowed to. Not only you're allowed to, it's a mitzvah! Unless she married somebody else first. But otherwise it's a mitzvah. But if you ื—ื›ืžื™ื made a ื“ื™ืŸ, if you divorce her because of ืฉื ืจืข or because of a ื ื“ืจ, don't take her back. What is the reason? ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื• ื‘ื ื•ืช ื™ืฉืจืืœ ืคืจื•ืฆื•ืช ื‘ืขืจื™ื•ืช ื•ื‘ื ื“ืจื™ื. So because women should know what kind of consequences they will have, that if they are ืคืจื•ืฆื•ืช in ืขืจื™ื•ืช, they're not behaving properly, or they're ืคืจื•ืฆื•ืช in ื ื“ืจื™ื, they will know they never ever will be able to If they divorce, never get back, so therefore they'll be careful. ืœืคื™ื›ืš ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื•, so we tell the husband, ืืžื•ืจ ืœื•, ื‘ืฉืขื” ืฉืืชื” ืžื’ืจืฉื”, you have to tell her, ื”ื•ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉืžืฉื•ื ืฉื ืจืข ืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆื™ืืš, ืžื•ืฆื™ืืš, ืžืฉื•ื ื ื“ืจ ืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆื™ืืš. You have to tell her why. Because if you tell her for that reason, that you're divorcing for that reason, maybe she'll stop. But if you don't tell her, she'll continue and then you'll divorce her and the ื“ื™ืŸ is you can't take her back. So you have to make sure that they know that you can't take her back, and this is the reason why you're doing it. It goes on to hear the other story about one of the ื’ื•ื™ื, money, and they didn't even care. Who doesn't care? They just told a story about this. No, those are these, specifically these women. It doesn't mean all the women don't care. They do care, surely they care. ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ื™ ื’ืžืจื ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืขืจ,

Rabbi Yehuda on public vows

Rabbi Yehuda says: ื›ืœ ื ื“ืจ ืฉื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ืจื‘ื™ื ืœื ื™ื—ื–ื™ืจ. Any neder that the public knows about it, you can't be matir the neder, you can't change that neder. ื•ืฉืื™ื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืข ื‘ืจื‘ื™ื ื™ื—ื–ื™ืจ, if it's not somebody that other people know about, if it's a private thing, you could be matir. Now, not everyone agrees. Some say that even if people know about it, you could, but when you do it al daat rabim, then you can't. When you say I'm making a ื ื“ืจ ืขืœ ื“ืขืช of of the rabim, then pashut the reason why you can't, because if you make it ืขืœ ื“ืขืช If you make a neder, let's say, ืขืœ ื“ืขืช of somebody, I'm making a neder on the ื“ืขืช of this person, so you can't be matir it unless that person gives you permission. If you make al daat rabim, you have to go get permission of every single Yid in the world. Well, obviously, you can't do that. ืืžืจ ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ืฉืข ื‘ืŸ ืœื•ื™: ืžืื™ ื˜ืขืžื ื“ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื”? What's the Where does Rabbi Yehuda get this din? In certain circumstances you can make a neder in front of 100 people and you just get a, not necessarily the same 100 people to, the neder for you to? No, this opinion holds that you can never be matir it. Anything over. No, no, if it's berabim. Where does Rabbi Yehuda get this from? ื“ื›ืชื™ื‘, it says by the Givonim. The Givonim came, they made they lied. They heard that Yehoshua is coming and he's going to conquer the land, so what they did was, they dressed up in old rags and they made themselves as if they came They came to them and said, we're coming from a far away country, and we want to become Yidden, we want to make peace with you. So Yehoshua accepted them. They made him promise, swear, they had a neder that they're not going to hurt them. And then they found out that they're liars, they're pashut from one of the seven nations, of the Girgashi. ื”ื’ื‘ืขื•ื ื™ื ืœื ื‘ื ื™ ื™ืฉืจืืœ. ื”ื’ื‘ืขื•ื ื™ื ืœื ืžื‘ื ื™ ื™ืฉืจืืœ. That's later, even even when they were ืžื’ื™ื™ืจ and they let them live, later it says ื”ื’ื‘ืขื•ื ื™ื ืœื ืžื‘ื ื™ ื™ืฉืจืืœ. Why? Because they had very bad middot.

Only a Jew has three good traits

The Gemara says only a Yid has three good middot: ื‘ื™ืฉื ื™ื, ืจื—ืžื ื™ื, ื’ื•ืžืœื™ ื—ืกื“ื™ื. They didn't have rachmanut, so they're not Yidden, so they made a gezeirah here, they're not allowed to marry Yidden, Jews, even though be'etzem they're Yidden. But here the pasuk says: ื•ืœื ื”ื›ื•ื ื‘ื ื™ ื™ืฉืจืืœ, the Yidden did not kill them, ื›ื™ ื ืฉื‘ืขื• ืœื”ื ื ืฉื™ืื™ ื”ืขื“ื”, because the nesi'im swore to them that they will not kill them. So we see from here, a neder that was done by the public or by the nesi'im, which is the public, you can't change. Because otherwise, they could have been matir the neder. Why Yehoshua didn't have the foresight or the insight to see who these people were? Hashem didn't let him. Yeah. ืคืจืขื’ื˜ ื“ื™ Gemara: ื•ืจื‘ื ืŸ? Rabbanan say, no, you could be matir the neder. How come over there, what we see from there that they didn't? So he says: ื”ืชื ืžื™ ื—ืœื” ืขืœื™ื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื›ืœืœ? ืžื›ืœืœ, there you can't bring a re'ayah. The whole shevuah was a mistake! Matir neder is not a mistake. You make a real neder. Later you want to change it, you find a petach, charatah. But you make a neder, I'm not going to have hana'ah from, I'm not going to have hana'ah from this because this is a piece of bread, and you find out it's not bread. You have to be matir the neder? The whole neder was a mistake! So here, too, the shevuah wasn't ื—ืœ, ื›ื™ื•ืŸ ื“ืืžืจื• ืœื”ื• they said to them, ืžืืจืฅ ืจื—ื•ืงื” ื‘ืื ื•, we came from a far place, ื•ืœื ื‘ืื•, so ืœื ื—ืœื” ืขืœื™ื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื” ื›ืœืœ. So there's no shevuah. So ื•ื”ืื™ ื“ืœื ืงื˜ืœื™ื ื”ื•, why didn't they takeh kill them? Mishum kiddush Hashem, shouldn't be chillul Hashem, because if they would kill them, there would be a chillul Hashem, it wouldn't be people, goyim would say, look, the Yidden promised and they didn't keep it. That's why they didn't. But lefi zeh, it's no re'iyah from there at all. What was the end? Ah? The bottom line, what was the end the end result of that? The end was that Yehoshua they made they left them, but they made a gezeirah that they should be second-class citizens. They made them water carriers, ื—ื•ื˜ื‘ื™ ืขืฆื™ื, wood choppers and water carriers. So they're still part of the Yidden, but they were part of the ten. Huh? Part of the ten we mentioned. Well, this was late, this happened later. Still. But the Rashi says that the same way it happened by Yehoshua, happened by Moshe Rabbeinu. There was a nation that came to Moshe before they went to Eretz Yisrael, and Moshe Rabbeinu did the same thing. That's why it says by the Givonim: ื•ื™ืขืฉื• ื’ื ื”ืžื”. They also, a siman that there was something before. Rashi says and They were the ones that became ื—ื•ื˜ื‘ื™ ืขืฆื™ื, when the pasuk says the ten kinds, ื—ื•ื˜ื‘ื™ ืขืฆื™ื ื•ืฉืื‘ื™ ืžื™ื, that's what he's saying, but they weren't the Givonim, it was another group. Only in the future, when the pasuk says, yeah, it's brought by Dovid Hamelech. This is by Dovid Hamelech. So they had a ma'alah though. Had a ma'alah, you know, they're still part of the klal, and yeah, they became Yidden, they were megayer and they accepted them, but they were second-class and they didn't allow them to marry into Klal Yisrael. So they only could marry within themselves. ื–ืื’ื˜ ื“ื™ ื’ืžืจื ื•ื•ื™ื™ื˜ืขืจ, ืจื™ืฉ ืœืงื™ืฉ ื–ื‘ื™ืŸ ื ืคืฉื™ื” ืœืœื•ื“ืื™. He sold himself to a group of cannibals. Yeah, ืœื•ื“ื™ื are the people eaters, cannibals. I guess this was, the story was it's some mefarshim say before when he was still a rotzeach, he was a leader of a gang. ืฉืงืœ ื‘ื”ื“ื™ื” ื—ื™ื•ืชื ื•ื’ืœื’ืœืชื. So when he went there, he took along with him a sack, a sack tied, and inside was a big heavy stone or a piece of heavy lead. Not a skull? No, no. Cannibals? No. It says ื’ืœื’ืœืชื. No, but that's here doesn't mean that. Here it means, no, it means that he took like something very heavy there, very. ืืžืจ, he said, this what he said: ื’ืžื™ืจื™, I know, I learned, ื“ื™ื•ืžื ื‘ืชืจื, the last day before they kill you and they eat you, ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืขื™ ืžื™ื ื™ื”ื• ืขื‘ื“ื™ ืœื™ื”, whatever you want them to do, they'll do it. Otherwise they give you like what's your last wish and they do it. ื›ื”ื™ื›ื ื“, why do they do it? ื›ื”ื™ื›ื ื“ืœื™ื—ื•ืœ ืื“ืžื™ื”. So Rashi says, so they should may have the guy not be so upset at them, be mochel the fact that they killed him. Some others say different pshat. I think the Aruch says a different pshat: that if you make him feel good right before you kill him, it's, it's geshmaker, the meat tastes better. Fleish. Huh? What, do they make a behemah feel good? Oh yeah? And then it tastes better, okay. ื™ื•ืžื ื‘ืชืจื, so they had him. The last day, ืืžืจื• ืœื™ื”, they said, ืžืื™ ื ื™ื—ื ืœืš? Nu, what do you want? ืืžืจ ืœื”ื•, he said to them, what I ื‘ืขื™ื ื ื“ืื™ื›ืคืชื™ื ื›ื• ื•ืื™ืกื‘ื™ื ื›ื•, I wanted, let me tie you up, each one, ื•ื›ืœ ื—ื“ ืžื™ื ื™ื™ื›ื• ืืžื—ื™ื” ื—ื™ื™ืกื ื•ืคืœื’ื, and I want to hit you one and a half hits. They thought big deal, what could he do already to them, so ื›ืคืชื™ื ื”ื• ื•ืืกื‘ื™ื ื”ื•, he takeh tied them up, and they allowed him. ื•ื›ืœ ื—ื“ ืžื™ื ื™ื™ื”ื• ื›ื“ ืžื—ื™, ื—ื“ื ื•ื—ืฆื™ ื ืคืง ื ืฉืžืชื™ื”. And he had this heavy thing, and he gave him a ื—ื–ืง ืงื ืืง, and each one he killed. ื—ื“ ื—ืจืงื™ื ื”ื• ืœืฉื™ื ื™ื”, one guy, when he saw him do it, started, after he hit him, he didn't die yet, and he started like with his teeth, grinding his teeth. ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, so he says to him, ืื—ื•ื›ื™ ืงื ืžื—ื™ื™ื›ืช ื‘ื™, you're laughing at me? ืื›ืชื™ ืคืฉ ืœืš ื’ื‘ืื™ ืคืœื’ื ื“ื—ื™ื™ืกื, I still owe you a half a ืงื ืืง. ืงื˜ืœื™ื ื”ื•, and so he hit him. ืงื˜ืœื™ื ื”ื• ื›ื•ืœื”ื•, and he killed them all. ื ืคืง, he went out. ืืชื, he came. ื™ืชื™ื‘ ื•ืงื ืื›ื™ืœ ื•ืฉืชื™, he came and celebrated, he ate and he drank. ืืžืจื” ืœื™ื” ื‘ืจืชื™ื”, his daughter said to him, ืœื ื‘ืขื™ืช ืžื™ื“ื™ ืœืžืกืžืš ืขืœื™ื”? Huh? I want to know what he ate. Not the meat. Not that. He didn't say, okay. So it says, so she, his daughter said to him, \"You don't need any like, ืžืฆืข, don't need like the a pillow or something to sit on when you're sitting?\" Because he was sitting on the floor, I guess. ืืžืจ ืœื”, he said to her, ื‘ืชื™ ื›ืจื™ืกื™ ื›ืจื™, my stomach is my pillow, in other words I guess he was so strong and so heavy. ื›ื™ ื ื— ื ืคืฉื™ื”, when he died, ืฉื‘ืง ืงื‘ื ื“ืžื•ืจื™ืงื, all he left over, in other words, different peshatim, one peshat is he that he all he left over from all the things that he had, he used everything up, and all he left was a ืงื‘ of ืžื•ืจื™ืงื, of ื›ืจื›ื•ื, it's a kind of of spice. ืงืจื ืื ืคืฉื™ื”, and he referred to himself before he died, ื•ืขื–ื‘ื• ืœืื—ืจื™ื ื—ื™ืœื, he left over, what happened to all his well, wealth, all, whatever he had? Tzoo gezeilot far andere, that other people took it away, he didn't have anything left. He didn't care. Let it go. That time when he died already he was a big tzadik. So not connecting really the timeline here that... No, there's a big time in between. Yashar koach.

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