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SHABBOS (IYUN)

Shabbos 5b โ€” Iyun

Can a Moving Courtyard Still Make an Acquisition?

Part of Shabbos (Iyun) · 59:01

A detailed sugya on kinyan chatzer (acquisition via one's courtyard) -- the Rambam-Tosafos machloket on whether a courtyard that moves (like a ship) can still function as one, with the floating-nut and ship analogies.

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Rava on ื”ื ื—ื” and ืขืงื™ืจื” with water and nut

Gemara in ืฉื‘ืช ื“ืฃ ื” ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘, ื’ืžืจื talks about ื”ื•ืฆืื”, ื”ื›ื ืกื”, all the ืžืœืื›ื•ืช of carrying, and we all know that you have to have ืขืงื™ืจื” and ื”ื ื—ื”. ื”ื ื—ื” means to put it down on a resting place, ืขืงื™ืจื” means to take it up, pick it up from a resting place. So the Gemara says here that Rava said ืืžืจ ืจื‘ื ืžื™ื ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื™ ืžื™ื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื ื—ืชืŸ, put down water on top of water is ื”ื ื—ื”, or if you take water out of water it's taking from a ืžืงื•ื ื”ื ื—ื”. ืื’ื•ื– ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื™ ืžื™ื ืœืื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื ื—ืชื•. If you have a ืื’ื•ื–, a nut that's floating on the water and you pick it up, that's not called an ืขืงื™ืจื” because you didn't take it from a resting place. Since the nut is floating on the water, so memeila that's not called resting. So it's not an ืขืงื™ืจื” if you take it off, or if you put it down onto the water, it's not called an ื”ื ื—ื”. Okay, fine. Comes Tosafos and Tosafos asks a kashya. Basically Tosafos asks a kashya from the Gemara in Bava Metzia. The Gemara in Bava Metzia ื“ืฃ ื˜, there it speaks about a different ื“ื™ืŸ, but it's also ื ื’ื™ืขื” to something that's resting or not resting. There it says ืœื’ื‘ื™ the ื“ื™ืŸ of ื—ืฆืจ. We know that

Definition of ื—ืฆืจ and its requirements

there is a kinyan called ื—ืฆืจ, that if you have a place that belongs to you, your yard, your house, or even a box that's laying that's your box, that's called your ื—ืฆืจ. If I want to give you something, if I want to be makneh to you something, I put it into your ื—ืฆืจ, and then it's as if you are koneh, not as if, you are koneh as if you took it yourself, ืงื ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ. But then the Gemara asks a ืฉืืœื”. The Gemara says, if a person tells somebody, I'm I want to be makneh you something and he puts it on top of a ื‘ื”ืžื”, you are not koneh even though the ื‘ื”ืžื” belongs to you. So the Gemara says why? Because ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช ื”ื™ื. The din of chatzer is it's only koneh if it's standing in one place. If it's a moving chatzer, it's not koneh. ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช ืœื ืงื ื”. ื•ื›ื™ ืชื™ืžื ื›ืฉืขืžื“ื”, what about if the ื‘ื”ืžื” that's yours, which is like your box, it's your chatzer, you say that it's not koneh because it's moving, what happens if it's standing? So the Gemara says it's also not koneh, because ื›ืœ ืฉืื™ืœื• ืžื”ืœืš ืœื ืงื ื”, ืขื•ืžื“ ื•ื™ืฉื‘ ืœื ืงื ื”. Anything that's not koneh while it's going, even while it's standing, since it could go, it's not koneh. ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื the halacha is ื‘ื›ืคื•ืชื”. When is it koneh? If it's tied up, then he can't even walk. Fine. ืืžืจื• ืœื™ื” ืจื‘ ืคืคื ื•ืจื‘ ื”ื•ื ื ื‘ืจื™ื” ื“ืจื‘ ื™ื”ื•ืฉืข ืœืจื‘ื, so they said to Rava, ืืœื ืžืขืชื”, now that you made a din that a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, ื—ืฆืจ that's movable, that moves is not ืงื•ื ื”, ื”ื™ื” ืžื”ืœืš ื‘ืกืคื™ื ื”, if you're in a ship, ื•ืงืคืฆื• ื“ื’ื™ื ื•ื ืคืœื• ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืกืคื™ื ื”, and fish, which are hefker in the sea, jumped, and they jumped into the ืกืคื™ื ื”, ื”ื›ื ื ืžื™ ื“ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช ื”ื™ื ื•ืœื ืงื ื”, you're going to tell me that since the chatzer the ืกืคื™ื ื” is moving they're not koneh? Normally if something hefker comes into your chatzer, you're koneh. But now we said ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not koneh, so ืœื›ืื•ืจื” the ship shouldn't be koneh, because it's moving! So the Gemara answers ืืžืจ ืœื™ื”, so he said no, ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื—ื, we have to remember the words, the ship is standing is resting, ืžื™ื ื”ื•ื ื“ืงื ืžืžื˜ื™ ืœื”, the water makes it go. So therefore the ship that's floating on the water is not called ืžื”ืœืš. It's not called a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. Same thing the Gemara asks further, what about a woman who's walking in ืจืฉื•ืช ื”ืจื‘ื™ื and some the husband throws a get into her basket that she has? ื”ื›ื ื ืžื™ ื“ืœื ืžื™ื’ืจืฉื”, she's not divorced, because her basket is moving, her basket is her chatzer, and a chatzer is koneh the get. So he says no, ืงืœืชื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื—ื ื•ืื™ื”ื™ ื“ืงื ืžืกื’ื™ ืชื•ืชื”, the basket is not moving, the basket is in one place, she is the one that's moving it. Fine. This is the Gemara. So Tosafot asks a kashya. From that Gemara we see that a ship that's floating on the water is called resting, that's what the Gemara says, the ship is resting, the water is the one that's going. So how come over here by the case of ืขืงื™ืจื” and ื”ื ื—ื” we say that the ืื’ื•ื– that's floating on the water ืœืื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ื ื—ืชื•, it's not called resting? So

Tosafot distinguishes chatzer case from ื”ื ื—ื”/ืขืงื™ืจื”

Tosafot answers that over there by chatzer is a special ื“ื™ืŸ, ื—ืฆืจ we learn out from ื™ื“, and by ื™ื“ it's the same thing, and Tosafot answers there is a difference between that case and our case. And then Tosafot goes on to answer a similar kashya, which brings be'emet another kashya, which is a setirah to the Gemara in Bava Metzia. The first kashya that Tosafot asked on our Gemara is a setirah to the Gemara Bava Metzia. Our Gemara says that the eggs that's floating on the water is not called resting, by the ship in the Bava Metzia, it says it is called resting. There's another place where we find which is similar to our Gemara: a ืชืœืžื™ื“ ื—ื›ื that's riding a horse. We know a ืชืœืžื™ื“ ื—ื›ื, when he's walking, you have to stand up for him. When he's standing, you don't have to stand up for him. What happens if he's riding a horse? The same she'eilah: lif'ol, he's moving. On the other hand, he is not moving, the horse is moving, he is sitting there. So the Gemara says, ืจื•ื›ื‘ ื›ืžื”ืœืš. Yes, if he's riding, it's like he's walking, and you've got to stand up. So it's also a setirah to the Gemara by the ship. The ship, the Gemara says that the ship is resting, the water is going. And here, and here we see, we don't say that. We say don't say the ืชืœืžื™ื“ ื—ื›ื is resting, and the ื‘ื”ืžื”, the horse is going. So the same answer, that by chatzer, it's a special din, by ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, there's a din compared to ื™ื“. To our shiur is not nogea to the Gemara's terutz, the ikar is the kashya that Tosafot has, excuse me, Tosafot's terutz, the kashya that Tosafot has. So basically Tosafot has one kashya from two places. Actually, in Bava Metzia gufa, Tosafot has the same kashya, there it's outright a kashya from two places: how come by the case of the ืกืคื™ื ื”, we say that the ship that's floating on the water is resting, mah she'ein kein by this, not, over here we say over the water it's not resting, and by the talmid chacham also, we say that if he is sitting on a horse and riding, he's not resting, he's walking? So it's a setira, and Tosafot has to find a terutz why this is different. The

Machloket: Tosafot vs Rambam on chatzer conditions

main thing I'm going to try to bring out of the shiur is that this kashya is only a kashya according to Tosafot. We're not going into the answer, Tosafot gives an answer, but the kashya is l'chatchila only according to Tosafot. When we're going to look into the Rambam and see different Rambams, we'll see that the Rambam learns different peshat in the Gemara in Bava Metzia, and therefore, according to the Rambam, it's l'chatchila no kashya from those two places. So let's start to go into the ืฉื™ื˜ืช Rambam. We find a machloket between the Rambam and Tosafot. In the Gemara in Bava Kamma, see you have the mareh mekomot here, ื“ืฃ ื™\"ื‘ ืขืžื•ื“ ื, where the Gemara says the same thing as it says in Bava Metzia, the Gemara in Bava Kamma says that if you put something on an ืขื‘ื“, the ืขื‘ื“ is a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, and therefore it's not koneh as chatzer. The Gemara over there says the same thing it says in Bava Metzia, that when is it, does it work? ื›ืคื•ืช! If he's tied. If you tie the ืขื‘ื“ up, he can't walk, then he's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. Comes Tosafot and Tosafot says, ื•ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื•ืžืจ ื ืžื™ ื“ืžื™ื™ืจื™ ื‘ื™ืฉืŸ, that when is this ืขื‘ื“ or the the ื‘ื”ืžื” ืงื•ื ื” as a chatzer? Not enough if it's tied, he has to be asleep also. Why? ื“ื›ืคื•ืช ืžื”ื ื™ ื“ืœื ื”ื•ื™ ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, ื›ืคื•ืช, tying him up, helps that he's not able to walk, so he's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, ื•ื™ืฉืŸ ืžื”ื ื™ ื“ื”ื•ื™ ืžืฉืชืžืจืช ืœื“ืขืชื•. There's another din by chatzer: chatzer is only koneh if it's a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. That means a chatzer has to be watched, protected, guarded for your sake. Lemashel, if I have in front of my house grass, it's my property, it's my chatzer, and someone puts something in, and I'm not standing to watch it, it won't be koneh. It's a good chatzer and it should be koneh. There's another problem, it's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช for me. If I'm standing and watching it, then it's koneh for me, but if I'm not, or let's say if it has a fence, then it's mishtameret for me, it works. So the Tosafot says there's another problem here with this ืขื‘ื“ or this ื‘ื”ืžื” that you're going to tie up and you want him to be koneh whatever you're putting onto him as chatzer, there's another problem, it has to be a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. Since the ื‘ื”ืžื”, it has its own whatever ื“ืขืช it has, or the ืขื‘ื“ certainly has his own ื“ืขืช, so whatever you're putting onto it, it's for himself. So even though you tied it up, which you need to tie it up otherwise it's a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, so ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is no good, it also has to be asleep. When it's asleep, then you get rid of the problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. So now it's not being watched for himself, so ืžืžื™ืœื now it's ืงื•ื ื”. Huh? Because it doesn't have his own ื“ืขืช then. If he's sleeping, he's not ืžืฉืžืจ ืœื“ืขืชื•, like this it's ืžืฉืชืžืจ... See, here, where it quotes a ื’ืžืจื, ื›ืชื‘ ื’ื˜ ืœืืฉืชื• ื•ื ืชื ื• ื‘ื™ื“ ืขื‘ื“ื• (or ืขื‘ื“ื” it's supposed to be), ื™ืฉืŸ ื•ืžืฉืžืจืชื• ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื’ื˜. If you're If he's not sleeping, even if you're standing person is standing next to it, it doesn't help because the ืขื‘ื“ has his own brain, so whatever he gets he has his own, takes takes it for himself. In order to be ืงื•ื ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื—ืฆืจ, you have to stand there, but if he's awake, it doesn't help, but if he's asleep, it helps. So Tosafot learns clearly that the only time ื—ืฆืจ ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช like an ืขื‘ื“ or a ื‘ื”ืžื” is ืงื•ื ื” if it has two conditions: has to be ื›ืคื•ืช, tied, to get rid of the problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, has to sleep in order to get rid of ื—ืฆืจ it should it has to be ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. Ah? Yeah. Because also has a ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ of ื“ืขืช. So here in the Gemara in Bava Kama, you have ื”ื’ื”ื•ืช ื”ื’ืจ\"ื, he says on the ื’ืžืจื ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื ื‘ื›ืคื•ืช, has to be tied, and Tosafot says it's ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื•ืžืจ ื ืžื™ it's also sleeping. ื ื›ื ืก ืœืฆื™ื“ื™ and the Rambam ื—ื•ืœืง, the Rambam argues. He doesn't he doesn't say the ืžืจืื” ืžืงื•ื, so let's see the Rambam. We'll see which Rambam argues. Yes, the Rambam does argue. So here you have I see the ืžืจืื” ืžืงื•ื, I wrote down the ืžืจืื” ืžืงื•ื is here. ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ืžื›ื™ืจื”, let me read the Rambam in ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ืžื›ื™ืจื” ืคืจืง ื’ ื”ืœื›ื” ื™\"ื‘. The Rambam says ื”ืžืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ื›ืื—ื“, if someone is ืžืงื ื” to somebody ืขื‘ื“ื™ื and objects, ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, ืžืฉืš ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืœื ืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. You make a kinyan on the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, you're not ืงื•ื ื” the ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, ืœื ืงื ื” ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. If you made a kinyan on the ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, you're not ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. ืืœื ืื ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื‘ื“, unless you put the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ on top. So when you ืงื•ื ื” the ืขื‘ื“, the ืขื‘ื“ becomes yours, so the ืขื‘ื“ is your ื—ืฆืจ, and if you have ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ on top of the ืขื‘ื“, you ืงื•ื ื” through ืงื ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ. ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ื›ืคื•ืช, ืฉื”ืจื™ ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืœื•ืš. Has to be he can't walk. So the Rambam does not mention a word about ื™ืฉืŸ. The

Rambam: tying sufficient for ื—ืฆืจ acquisition

Rambam says when are you ืงื•ื ื”? If the ืขื‘ื“ is ื›ืคื•ืช. One halachah. Let's look at ื”ืœื›ื” ื™\"ื’. ื”ืžืงื ื” ื‘ื”ืžื” ื•ื›ืœื™ื ืฉืขืœื™ื” ื›ืื—ื“, if someone is ืžืงื ื” a ื‘ื”ืžื” and ื›ืœื™ื on top, ืืฃ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืฉืžืฉืš ื”ื‘ื”ืžื” ื•ืงื ื”, even though you made a ืžืฉื™ื›ื”, you kinyan in the ื‘ื”ืžื”, and you ืงื•ื ื” the ื‘ื”ืžื”, ืœื ืงื ื” ื”ื›ืœื™ื ืฉืขืœื™ื”, you're not ืงื•ื ื” unless you pick it up. Why? ืฉื”ื‘ื”ืžื” ื›ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช ื”ื™ื. Why do you have to make a separate kinyan on the on the ื›ืœื™ื, right? Cool, it's on your ื‘ื”ืžื”. The ื‘ื”ืžื” became yours, so it's ื—ืฆืจ. Because of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ืชื•ื›ื” ื›ืžื•ื ื— ืขืœ ื’ื‘ื™ ืงืจืงืข ื“ืžื™. Therefore, it's not koneh. ืœืคื™ื›ืš, ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ื”ืžื” ื›ืคื•ืชื”, if the beheima was tied, see, the one before he spoke about the eved. He says if he's tied it's good. If the beheima is tied, ืงื ื” ืืฃ ื”ื›ืœื™ื ืฉืขืœื™ื”, you koneh the kelim. Not a word about yashen, not a word that has to be sleeping also. Then you have in ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ื’ื™ืจื•ืฉื™ืŸ ืคืจืง ื” ื”ืœื›ื” ื™\"ื–. There it's even clearer. Here. ื ืชืŸ ื’ื˜ ื‘ื™ื“ ืขื‘ื“ื”, if he gives the get to the eved, to her ืขื‘ื“, ื•ื”ื•ื ื ื™ืขื•ืจ, and he's awake, ื•ื”ื™ื ืžืฉืžืจืชื•, she's watching him, ืื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืคื•ืช ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื’ื˜. If he's awake, he says clearly, the Rambam. The eved is awake and she's watching it, but if it's tied, ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื’ื˜, ื•ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื—ืฆื™ืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืขื•ืžื“ืช ื‘ืฆื“ื”, it's like a chatzer that she's standing next to your chatzer, you're koneh. So the Rambam says clearly that the eved, in order to be a chatzer to be koneh, has to be tied, because if he's not tied, he's a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, even though he's awake. See, the previous halachos the re'aya is from the fact that the Rambam said he has to be tied, didn't mention a word that he also be sleeping. In this halacha it's even clearer. There he didn't say doesn't have to be sleeping, just didn't mention it, so obviously he doesn't have to. But here the Rambam makes it very clear! He says clearly: he gave it to her ื•ื”ื•ื ื ื™ืขื•ืจ, he's awake! ืื ื”ื•ื ื›ืคื•ืช ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื’ื˜, ื•ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื’ื™ืข ืœื—ืฆื™ืจื”. So we see that there is a machloket between the Rambam and Tosafot. Tosafot says that a beheima in order to be koneh and an eved in order to be ืงื•ื ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื—ืฆืจ, has to be tied, tied in order to get rid of the problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, has to be asleep in order to get rid of the problem ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. The

Rambam: sleeping not required for chatzer

Rambam says you don't need both. If he's tied, is good enough. But probably the Rambam learns pshat in the Gemara like that, because the Gemara doesn't mention he has to be sleeping. Tosafot adds it. So Rambam learns if the Gemara didn't say it, obviously it doesn't have to be. But the she'elah is what's the sevara behind it? There must be a reason, besides the ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื’ืžืจื, a reason why the Rambam holds that you You don't need to be asleep, and you're coming back, right? And Tosafot holds it has to be tied tight besides being asleep. Avadai, everyone knows it. That's why the Rambam even says that she has to stand and watch it. But Tosafot says her watching it won't help, because he's awake. So you have to have her watching and while he's asleep. And the Rambam says you have to have watch it, because it has to be a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. But the fact that he's a he's a sleep he's awake doesn't spoil it. Yeah, whatever. Ha? Both, sof kol sof it can be chatzer. In chatzer there are two dinim. It can't be a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, and it has to be a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. So Tosafot says you need two things to take care of that of both problems. And the Rambam says, no, you don't have to have sleep. ื›ืคื•ืช is enough. To explain the machloket between the Rambam and Tosafot, we have to get to understand, get back to usually what works. If you want to understand a certain machloket in a certain detail, you get back to the source. I don't mean the source the ื‘ืงื™ืื•ืช of where you take it from. I mean the source of the ืขื ื™ืŸ what we're talking about. We're talking about a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is no good. What's the reason why ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is no good? So before we even get to the reason, what I want to say is there's to wonder, is ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช ืœื ื—ืฆืจ, ืื• ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not koneh? You could say ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืž I'll explain in detail what I'm saying. You could say a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, if it's a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, it's not a chatzer. It doesn't have a ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืงื ื™ืŸ. I mean it's your yard, you could plant the things you want, but ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืงื ื™ืŸ it's not a chatzer. Or you could say it is a chatzer, but there is some specific problem here why the kinyan cannot work. If you want to put it in our fancy words in the most abstract words, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not koneh, is it ื”ืขื“ืจ or ืฉืœื™ืœื”? We all know the difference between ื”ืขื“ืจ and ืฉืœื™ืœื”. Almost all. So if you're one person that doesn't know, you're probably the only one. Maybe everyone could think that he's the only one. Both mean not. ื”ืขื“ืจ is not, ื”ืขื“ืจ is missing, and ืฉืœื™ืœื” is not. What's the difference? Keep in mind. Time? We'll see how long it'll take us. ื”ืขื“ืจ means it's l'chatchila nothing. L'mashal, if I put something in your chatzer and I want to be makneh it to him, he's not koneh. Why is he not koneh? Because there's no chatzer! I didn't put it in his chatzer, there's no kinyan, no chatzer for him. That's called ื”ืขื“ืจ. ื”ืขื“ืจ means it doesn't exist. ืฉืœื™ืœื” means, no, it's possible, but for some odd reason or for some good reason, it's not. The ื“ื•ื’ืžื the classic example what I always say when we talk about ื”ืขื“ืจ and ืฉืœื™ืœื”: If a candle is extinguished, it's ืฉืœื™ืœื” of the fire. If a candle burns down and there is no more candle, there's no fire, that's called ื”ืขื“ืจ. During the day you close the shades, you're ืฉื•ืœืœ the light. At night, there is no light, it's ื”ืขื“ืจ. ื”ืขื“ืจ means there is nothing there to begin with, and ืฉืœื™ืœื” means it's there, but it doesn't work, but there's something being taken it away. So when we talk about ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, we have the same she'eilah. Is ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช not a chatzer? If you look into the dinim of what chatzer is for ืงื ื™ืŸ, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not a chatzer, it doesn't have the the quality of a chatzer, that's ื”ืขื“ืจ of chatzer. Or you could say, no, we'll see why we say it, but I'm saying, or you could say, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, ื‘ืขืฆื it's a chatzer, and it's ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื“ื™ืŸ ืงื ื™ืŸ it's a chatzer, but there is something not allowing that kinyan to take place, that kinyan to be valid. And we find in a lot of places in halacha, now I'm going to use one example where we find certain things which is ื”ืขื“ืจ or ืฉืœื™ืœื”. We find it in different places. Usually it's found in a case where there are two ื“ื™ื ื™ื in a certain two conditions in something to happen, and if either one of the conditions is missing, it doesn't happen, but we always wonder which one is the ื“ื™ืŸ, and which one is a condition. And therefore, which one if it's missing, it's ื”ืขื“ืจ, since this is the ื“ื™ืŸ, and if it's missing, it doesn't have the ื“ื™ืŸ, and which one is just a condition that if the condition is not met, it doesn't work. I'll give you an example. That's why I put in the Likutei Sichos ื—ืœืง ื•ืณ. Because first of all, we try every shiur to have a Likutei Sichos. That's number one. That's one ื“ืจืš ื”ืœื™ืžื•ื“ that we have to know that I remember the Rebbe once said, B'farbrengen, that a Chassid, when he learns nigleh, the first thing he thinks is: ื•ื•ืืก ื–ืื’ืŸ ื“ื™ ืจื‘ื™ืก, ืกื™ื™ื“ืŸ ืก'ืื™ื– ื ื™ืฉื˜ื ืงื™ื™ืŸ ืขื ื™ืŸ ื•ื•ืขื’ืŸ ื“ืขื. What do the Rebbes say? And to us it's even more: What does the Rebbe say about it? So the Rebbe is not talking about this inyan, but it's a ื“ื•ื’ืžื to an inyan. Here the Rebbe talks about the famous famous chakirah in Bava Kama, which is one of the fundamental chakirot in the whole Masechet Bava Kama, is ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ื ื–ืงื™ืŸ of a ื‘ื”ืžื”. If my animal is ืžื–ื™ืง somebody, I am chayav to pay. And there are two reasons, two things that have to be, two conditions in order to make me chayav: has to be my animal, and it has to be a case that I didn't watch it. If I watched it properly, and something out of the ordinary, it's an ones happened, I'm not chayav. So there are two things. The question is, which of the two is the reason you're chayav, and which one is only a condition? Some hold, and the Rebbe talks the Acharonim the late, late Acharonim talk about a lot, but the Rebbe writes in this letter that's printed in Likutei Sichos in the end of ื”ื•ืกืคื•ืช of ื—ืœืง ื•'. I could even tell you the background of this letter. There was a ื‘ื—ื•ืจ who came to 770 to learn. His name was Nachum Zevin, Harav Zevin's an ืื™ื™ื ื™ืงืœ, learned in Ponevezh'. His grandfather sent him one year to learn in 770. He, they put him into my room. I was his roommate, so to try to ืžืงืจื‘ him, this. He went into yechidus, and the Rebbe spoke to him in nigleh. And when he went out of yechidus, he told me over what the Rebbe said to him, and he wrote something back to the Rebbe ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš to what they spoke about in yechidus. On that, that he he answered, the Rebbe answered him a letter. This whole letter that you see printed, was written ื‘ื›ืชื‘ ื™ื“ ืงื•ื“ืฉ on his letter, full, full, full. Remember walking walking out of yechidus, I walked He walked out of the mazkirus, then holding that letter, that original letter of the Rebbe's handwriting. He couldn't make heads or tails out of it, couldn't understand it. So we sat down, I remember where I was sitting in ื—ื“ืจ ืฉื ื™ in 770 upstairs, we sat down, and I read it through with him. And I copied over the letter, from, because they didn't give the original ksav. And it wasn't like now, you go over the machine, you make a copy, which they wouldn't let you anyway. So, I had to copy it over, so we copied it over, I remember one word wasn't clear. One word that wasn't, so I copied it assuming it's what it is, I didn't know. But I copied it over from there and that's where the redaction, that's why it was printed in Likkutei Sichos. But in that letter, the Rebbe talks about this she'eilah, this chakirah. And he explains, the Yerushalmi, the Bavli, a very lamdanishe shtikel there. A lamdanishe shtikel Torah. Cuz they say, zog a shtikel Torah, when you say, you say a chidush, zog a shtikel Torah. It's a lamdanishe shtikel Torah, very, very lamdanish. But the nekudah

Liability When Your Animal Causes Damage

there is, like I said, there are two reasons that to make you chayav if your animal is mazik. One way you could say, you know why you're chayav? Because it's your animal. Whatever your animal does, you're responsible. That's the reason why you're chayav. Al derech you can say, if a someone's baby if a little boy broke someone's window, threw a ball and broke his window, they're going to come to the father, say, \"Pay for it.\" What do you mean, \"Why I I didn't break the window.\" Ah, your boy your son broke the window. In halachah, it doesn't work. In halachah, it's If a katan breaks, you're patur. I'm saying, but in the welt, look. Same thing here. The Torah says if your behemah is mazik, you're responsible for the uh for the things of your behemah. There is a condition. If you happen to watch it and it was against, no, it was an ones, you're patur. But the reason why you're chayav is because it's your behemah. You could say the opposite. The reason you're chayav is because you didn't watch it. Ela mai? If it's not your behemah, you're patur. You're only chayav if it's your behemah, or you were given the responsibility, you took yourself a responsibility, you became a shomer. In other words, like this: according to the first way that you're chayav because it's your behemah, so what happens if a person did not watch it? Is it he'eder or shelilah? Nu, let's hear. The reason why you're chayav is because it's your behemah. It's a condition that the only time you're chayav if if you didn't watch it. What happens if you didn't watch it, and then you're patur? Why are you patur? A shelilah. The reason why you're chayav is there. It's your behemah, that's the reason you're chayav. There's something that's not allowing it, it's a condition. If you hold farkert, that the reason you're chayav is because you didn't watch it, so what happens if you didn't watch it, it's yours. It's not shelilah, it's he'eder. The whole reason why you're chayav is because you didn't watch the behemah, in this case you watched it. So this it's he'eder. So we see here there is two gedarim. There's some things that happen, when it's missing, makes it that it's bichlal not that, it never was. In this case, if the reason you're chayav is because it's your behemah, and if it's because you didn't watch it, and you did watch it, there is a reason to be chayav. If it's a reason because it's not your behemah, and it's If the reason is because it's your behemah, and then you didn't watch it, it's only a tenai, so it could be shelilah, it could be a he'eder. So we

Returning to the Issue of a Moving Yard

go back to ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. There's a din that chatzer is konah. There's a ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not konah. My she'eilah is, is the chatzer that is on ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, is it not a chatzer? Or you say, \"No.\" And that's he'eder. If it's not a chatzer, then there's no ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ ืงื•ื ื”, obviously. Or you say it is a chatzer, the only problem is, there is some reason why it doesn't allow the kinyan to be chal, that sholel the validity of the kinyan. If you want to put it in other words, you could put it in different words, also. Is this din of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช a a din in the ื—ืฆืจ, or a din in the kinyan? Is it a problem in the ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ? There are so many requirements what makes something into a ื—ืฆืจ, so this is a din there's something in the ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ that makes it ืื•ื™ืก ืงื ื™ืŸ? Or no, it's not a din in the ื—ืฆืจ, it's a din in the kinyan. ื—ืฆืจ is ืงื•ื ื”, it's a din in the kinyan. This is just I didn't dervayl, in the meantime I didn't explain anything. I'm just saying words, ื–ืื’ืŸ ื•ื•ืขืจื˜ืขืจ. It's like this: what's the base of, what can we say, why would it be a sevara to be ื”ืขื“ืจ, that it's not a ื—ืฆืจ at all, or what's the sevara it should be a ื—ืฆืจ, but it's just not ืงื•ื ื”? Well, to get to that, we have to analyze why is a ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช not ืงื•ื ื”? Then we'll see. In order to analyze why a ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not ืงื•ื ื”, we have to go back: why is a ื—ืฆืจ ื™ื ืงื•ื ื”? That's the only normal way procedure. If you want to think, and we're talking we're supposed now to start to think about writing a sefer with ืคื™ืœืคื•ืœื™ื and ื‘ื™ืื•ืจื™ื, you gotta use your seichel to start thinking. When it comes to something like this, you gotta just go back. To know why, whether it's ื”ืขื“ืจ or a ืฉืœื™ืœื”, you gotta know why it's not ืงื•ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช. To know why a ื—ืฆืจ is not ืงื•ื ื”, you gotta think back why a ื—ืฆืจ is ืงื•ื ื”, and then we'll see what the problem is ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช. So let's go back: why is a ื—ืฆืจ ืงื•ื ื”? For that already, we spoke last week. Nothing to do with this din, we spoke last week legabei something else, but I gave an example of ื—ืฆืจ, but that's noge'a to now. So what did I explain? How is ื—ืฆืจ ืงื•ื ื”? The Gemara says ื—ืฆืจ ืžื˜ืขื ื™ื“ or ืžื˜ืขื ืฉืœื™ื—ื•ืช. Is it because it's like your ื™ื“, Tosafos, ื™ื“ or shlichus? And the question we asked then, how could ื—ืฆืจ be a shaliach, when there's a din that only a Yid could be a shaliach? There's a din that only a gadol, not a katan could be a shaliach, has no daas. So how is it possible for a ื—ืฆืจ to be a shaliach? And what did I explain? That the reason why a katan can't be a shaliach is because he has too much daas. He has daas, but not enough. The fact that he has daas, he cannot be batel. A shaliach has to be batel to the meshaleach. ื—ืฆืจ, I mean a katan is a metzius. He's a separate metzius, a separate entity, but not big enough to be able to mevatel himself. A gadol is even a bigger entity, a bigger metzius than a katan, but on the other hand, he has daas to mevatel himself. So a gadol is could be a shaliach, he could mevatel himself. A katan cannot mevatel himself. A ื—ืฆืจ is the best shaliach. Why? It's ืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื” ื‘ื˜ืœ. ื”ืื˜ ืงื™ื™ืŸ ืฉื›ืœ ื ื™ืฉื˜. If you have a little bit of seichel, you got a problem. But if you have no seichel, you're no metziut, so and you're mine, you're automatically batel to me. So that's how chatzer works. Okay. This is what makes the chatzer into a a ื’ื“ืจ ื—ืฆืจ. How does the kinyan work? So ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš to what I just explained what a chatzer is, the ื’ื“ืจ of a chatzer, that it's batel to the person who it belongs to, let's go vayter. How does the kinyan take place? And here

Two Methods of Ownership Transfer via a Chatzar

there are two ways to explain how the kinyan takes place. Two ways to explain how the kinyan takes place when you put something in my chatzer. One way you could say why it works: since the chatzer is batel to me, so the chatzer is like my hand, like my shaliach. So when I someone puts something into my chatzer, that chatzer takes it and is ืงื•ื ื” for me, just like my shaliach would take it. So when he takes it and since he's batel to me, that he makes a kinyan and becomes mine. So the same thing could be here: the chatzer we said is batel to the person. When you give something into the chatzer, the chatzer is ืงื•ื ื” it for the person. Why is the ื—ืฆืจ ืงื•ื ื” for the person? Because the chatzer is batel. You could say a different vort: not because the chatzer is ืงื•ื ื”. When you put something down in the chatzer, like I kept on saying ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืขืงื™ืจื” and ื”ื ื—ื”, when you put something down, it's almost as if it gets rooted in. When you pick something up, you're uprooting. So when you put something down in my chatzer, since the chatzer is batel to me, mine, when you put something down in my chatzer, it becomes part of of the chatzer. If it becomes part of the chatzer, the chatzer is mine, so that becomes mine too. It's a vort. Not because the ื—ืฆืจ has to be ืงื•ื ื” for me, and the ื—ืฆืจ has the ability to because it represents me. See, the first way is, a ื—ืฆืจ is an extension of me, so it represents me, so the ื—ืฆืจ is ืงื•ื ื” for me. I'm saying no, the ื—ืฆืจ is not ืงื•ื ื” for me. The ื—ืฆืจ is batel to me, that's the yesod. When you put something down in the ื—ืฆืจ, you're ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ it. Mimeila it becomes connected to the ื—ืฆืจ. So the ื—ืฆืจ is mine, so that's mine too. It's a different way of looking at it. I'm repeating it again: is the pshat is because a ื—ืฆืจ makes the kinyan for me, because the ื—ืฆืจ is batel to me, so just like my shaliach makes, so there is a kinyan that is taking place with the ื—ืฆืจ, or the pshat is not like that, the pshat is that it becomes connected to the ื—ืฆืจ, and something that's connected to my thing and becomes part of my thing, that's the din of ืงื ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ, automatically becomes mine. One second, we'll get to it. ืฉื•ืžืจืช is definitely understood, because it's not batel, it's not batel. Okay, we'll we'll see. So these are the two ways. What's the nafka mina between these two ways? What the the nafka mina between these two ways how you ืงื•ื ื” through a ื—ืฆืจ will be, what's the chisaron of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช? According to the first way, that the ื—ืฆืจ is ืงื•ื ื” for me, why? Because the ื—ืฆืจ is batel to me, umimeila the ื—ืฆืจ could be ืงื•ื ื”. You know what the problem of a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is? If it's ืžื”ืœื›ืช, it's not battel to me. Because when we say ืžื”ืœื›ืช, it's not the problem of walking. Walking is not a problem According to the walking is not a problem. The problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is, it's ืžื”ืœื›ืช ืœื“ืขืชื™ื”. For something to walk, it has to have brains. So it has its own ื“ืขืช. What did we say, what's the problem with a ืงื˜ืŸ, why can't a ืงื˜ืŸ be a shaliach? Because he has brains! Very little brains, that's why he can't be ืžื‘ื˜ืœ himself, but he has brains. So a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, which is a ื‘ื”ืžื” or an ืขื‘ื“, the problem is, the whole reason why he's koneh, because he's battel, the ื—ืฆืจ is battel to me, u'meimeila he could be koneh for me, but a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not battel to me. Not battel, so it can't be koneh for me, because it has its own brains, it has something of its own, so it's a a separate entity. According to the second way, ื—ืฆืจ is not koneh. The reason that How is a ื—ืฆืจ ืงื•ื ื”? Because when you put something down, it becomes part of it. ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, according to this, is not the problem that it's not battel to me. No, for some reason we don't care. You know what the problem is? In order to consider when you put something down, to consider it that it became ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ and part of the thing, it has to be a ืžืงื•ื ืžืกื•ื™ื, has to be a specific place. Something that's not specific and keeps on moving, we cannot consider that you put it down. You put it down, but you can't be considered it's ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ, because if it's not stable, you can't be ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ it. In in ื”ื™ื’ื™ื•ืŸ, we're talking abstract thinking. So again, if the reason why a ื—ืฆืจ is koneh because he's battel to me, u'meimeila he could be koneh for me, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, the reason would be because he can he's not battel. Because again it's according to the fact that he's not battel means, why is he not battel? Because you walk, you're not battel? Because in order to walk, you got it's that you're a ื‘ืขืœ ืฉื›ืœ. So it's the ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•, that's the ื•ื•ืืจื˜, ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. And therefore that's the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ. According to the second way, the reason it's koneh because you're ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ it, so what's the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช? You can't be ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ it to something that's not stable, that's not ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ. Therefore, let's go back now. Is it a ื”ืขื“ืจ or is it a ืฉืœื™ืœื”? Well, depends according to which way.

The Problem of a Chatzar That Walks

According to the first way, that the whole ื’ื“ืจ of ื—ืฆืจ is because it's ื‘ื˜ืœ to me. ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, why is it not ืงื•ื ื”? Because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ to me. So it's missing the whole ื™ืกื•ื“ of how a ื—ืฆืจ works. It doesn't it's not a ื—ืฆืจ! I mean, it's a physical yard, but it's not a ื—ืฆืจ. A ื—ืฆืจ to be ืงื•ื ื”, we said the whole ื™ืกื•ื“ of how a ื—ืฆืจ is ืงื•ื ื” is because the ื—ืฆืจ is ื‘ื˜ืœ. And according to the first way, a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not ืงื•ื ื”, why? Because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. So it's not a ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ in the form of ืงื ื™ืŸ, it's ืžืœื›ืชื—ื™ืœื” that it's not a ื—ืฆืจ. A ื—ืฆืจ is ื‘ื˜ืœ, this is not ื‘ื˜ืœ, so it's not it lack of true no ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช, no no ื’ื“ืจ ื—ืฆืจ. That's that's ื”ืขื“ืจ. ื”ืขื“ืจ means it doesn't exist. This this is not a ื—ืฆืจ. According to the second way, there's no problem with the ื—ืฆืจ. The ื—ืฆืจ is a fine ื—ืฆืจ, the ื—ืฆืจ is ื‘ื˜ืœ to me. ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not a ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ in being ื‘ื˜ืœ, the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ because it's walking! Not the ืฉื›ืœ, it's walking! And if it's moving or a potential to move, it's not stable. So the kinyan doesn't work. You can't on this you put it down, it becomes ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ, putting down doesn't become ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ. So it's not a a chesaron in the chatzer, it's a chesaron in how to be ืงื•ื ื” through the chatzer. It's a chesaron in the kinyan. So

Summary of Lessons on Chatzar and Kinyan

here we have two ways of learning. If you say the chesaron is, the reason how it's ืงื•ื ื” is because it's ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ, and the chesaron of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is you can't be ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ it, so it's a chesaron in how the chatzer will be ืงื•ื ื” the object. ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is just as a good chatzer as a chatzer that's not ืžื”ืœืš, but you can't, since you can't be ืžืฉืจื™ืฉ, you can't be ืงื•ื ื”. So it's not a ื”ืขื“ืจ ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ, it's a chatzer. It's just not chatzer that could be ืงื•ื ื”. ืœืคื™ ื–ื”, will come out like this: that according to the sevara that ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is not ืงื•ื ื” because it's not batel, the chesaron of ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช and the chesaron of not being ืžืฉืชืžืจ is the same chesaron. Why is chatzer have to be a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช? Let's think. It has to be watched for you, because otherwise it's not for you, not batel to you. What's the chesaron if it's a ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช according to this peshat? Same thing, it's not batel to you. If you learn the other way, the chesaron of ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช ืœื’ื‘ื™ not being ืžืฉืชืžืจืช are two different ื—ืกืจื•ื ื•ืช. The ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ why you need a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช is that it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. The ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ why you need it to be that it shouldn't be ืžื”ืœื›ืช, because you can't be ืžืงื ื” it, you can't be ืžืžืฉืžืฉ, they're two different ื—ืกืจื•ื ื•ืช. So we'll say like this:

Tosafot and Rambam on Separate Issues of a Moving Chatzar

Tosafot says that you have to ba'avarenen two separate problems. You have to make sure it's tied, so it won't be ืžื”ืœื›ืช. You have to make sure it's sleeping, so it'll be ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. Why? Tosafot says they're two different problems. ืžืฉืชืžืจืช is because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ to you. You've got to make sure it's ื‘ื˜ืœ. ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is a problem that it's not ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ. So you've got to ba'avarenen that. You've got to make it it shouldn't be a ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช. And therefore Tosafot says you've got to have two things you've got to do. The Rambam will say learns differently. The Rambam learns that ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช problem is also ืžืฆื“ ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ืœ. It's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. So the problem of ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช and not being ืžืฉืชืžืจืช is the same problem. So the Rambam says when you do ื›ืคื™ืชื”, when you tie him up and you ba'avaren that he's ื‘ื˜ืœ, you're automatically ba'avarening both problems, because now it's ื‘ื˜ืœ already. And it's more than a regular ื‘ื”ืžื”, a regular ื‘ื”ืžื” that's that's not tied. So there, we're saying there's a problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. When you tie it, you're not only making it it should be ื‘ื˜ืœ, you're doing a ืคืขื•ืœื” of being ืžื‘ื˜ืœ it. So that ืคืขื•ืœื” will take care, we don't care if it's not ืžืฉืชืžืจ to you. Since you're doing a ืคืขื•ืœื” of tying it up, which means you're doing it to be ืžื‘ื˜ืœ, so that ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ืœ will work also for ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช, because you're mevatel it. And the problem of ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืื™ื ื” ืžืฉืชืžืจืช is it's not batel. So according to this it comes out, if we're learning like this, that there's a difference in pshat between Tosafot and the Rambam. What is the reason why ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is no good? The Rambam who says all you need is to tie him up and you don't need him to sleep because he holds the way that the first way that the way why ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช doesn't work is because it's not batel, so tying him up, doing the pe'ulah of being mevatel him, takes care of both problems. ืžืฉืืดื› Tosafot learns that they're two separate problems. The reason why ืฉืื™ื ื” is because it's not batel, the reason why it's ืžื”ืœื›ืช is because it's not ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ, and you've got to do two things to b'avarenen both problems. What do we, yeah? Yeah, yeah, ืขืœ ื“ืจืš ื–ื”. You're right, you're right. A good dugma, a good dugma, yeah, yeah, because you're doing something. If it's true that the Rambam learns that the reason for ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is because it's not batel, and Tosafot learns the reason why ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช doesn't work is you can't be ืžืžืฉืžืฉ it, will come out to a different pshat in the Gemara when the Gemara says ื‘ื ื•ื’ืข ืกืคื™ื ื”. The

Gemaraโ€™s Ship Analogy and Its Legal Implications

Gemara asks a she'eilah, how, if ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช is no good, if something comes into a ship that's floating on the water, why are you koneh? ื—ืฆืจ ืžื”ืœื›ืช. And the Gemara answers, this is the lashon: ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื, the ship is resting, the water makes it go. It's a big difference in pshat in the Gemara according to this, between the two ways in the Rambam and Tosafot. According to the Rambam, the problem is not that it's walking. We don't care that it's walking. Like I said, according to Rambam, being that it's going ืขืœ ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•, it's going according to its own da'at, it's not batel. So it's not the walking, it's the walking ืขืœ ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื• that's the problem. According to Tosafot' second way, what's the problem? That it's moving! Anything that's movable, that's not stable, it doesn't work. That's what he says. So when the Gemara answers, ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื ื•ืžื™ื ื“ืงื ืžืžื˜ื• ืœื”, there's a complete different ืคืฉื˜ according to Tosafot, according to the Rambam. According to Tosafot, he says, the problem is it's moving. If it's moving, you can't ืžื›ืฉื™ืจ it, you can't be ืงื•ื ื” ื‘ื—ืฆืจ. So when the Gemara answers that ืกืคื™ื ื” is no problem, obviously what does the Gemara say? In order to say that a ืกืคื™ื ื” is ืงื•ื ื” and it's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, why? Because it's not moving. Physically it's moving from here to there, but it's not considered moving. ืกืคื™ื ื”, that's what the Gemara's ืœืฉื•ืŸ is, ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื, the ืกืคื™ื ื” is resting, the water makes it move, so it's really not moving. That's how you have to learn according to Tosafot, because the whole problem of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is it's moving. So in order to say it's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, what do we have to say? That it's not moving. That's ืคืฉื•ื˜ the answer, ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื.

Rambamโ€™s Perspective on Ship Movement and Chatzar

According to the Rambam, we don't care if it's moving or not moving. The ืขื™ืงืจ is, is it going ืขืœ ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•? It's moving on its own. So what's the Gemara's answer? That it's not moving? No! The water makes it go, it's not moving on its own, so it's it's battel. The reason why it wouldn't be battel is because it's moving on its own. So how do you taytsh the ืคืฉื˜ in the ื’ืžืจื ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื? Not that it's actually resting. ืœืžืขืฉื” the ship is going. On its own it would rest, not According to Tosafot, it's a fact. ืœื”ืœื›ื” we say ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื, the ืกืคื™ื ื” is resting, because that's how we have to say, we have to look at it ืขืœ ืคื™ ืกื“ืจ that it's resting. The Rambam No, we're not saying it's resting, I don't care if it's going! But on its own it would be resting, ืกืคื™ื ื” on its own it would be resting, why is it going? Because ืžืื™ ื“ืงื ืžืžื˜ื™ ืœื” the water makes it go. So ืžืžื™ืœื the fact that it's going is no problem. Why? Because who cares if it's going, as long as it's not ืขืœ ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•, it's not going on its own. On its own it would be ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื, it would rest. So according to the Rambam, we're saying that he says the problem is it's not batel, because it goes ืขืœ ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So the answer in the ื’ืžืจื ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื means it's going, it could have it would have been resting on its own, and the water makes it go, so it's no problem. According to Tosafos, that the problem is that the fact that it's moving is a problem, so it must be ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื. And so interesant is, according to the Rambam, if you look at the Rambam, you'll see that the Rambam doesn't bring the ืœืฉื•ืŸ of the ื’ืžืจื ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื. In ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ืžื›ื™ืจื”, ืคืจืง ื•ืณ, I think ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื No, not ืคืจืง ื•ืณ ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื, I'm sorry. ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ื–ื›ื™ื” ื•ืžืชื ื” ืคืจืง ืืณ, let's see. ื”ืœื›ื” ื”ืณ? Yeah, listen to this Rambam! ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ื–ื›ื™ื” ื•ืžืชื ื” ืคืจืง ืืณ ื”ืœื›ื” ื”ืณ. The Gemara: ื“ื’ื™ื ืฉืงืคืฆื• ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืกืคื™ื ื”, fish jumped into the ship, ืงื ื” ื‘ืขืœ ื”ืกืคื™ื ื”, ืฉื–ื• ื›ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžืฉืชืžืจืช ื”ื™ื, ื•ืื™ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. ืฉืื™ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, why? If you'd be the Rambam, what would you write? Well, the Rambam tries to stick to the ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื’ืžืจื whenever he's able to. I would have written ืฉื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื•ื ื—ืช, saying it's not ืžื”ืœืš, the ืกืคื™ื ื” rests, ื•ื”ืžื™ื ืžื•ืœื™ื›ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื”. Listen to the words of the

Rambam on Water Causing Motion, Not Resting

Rambam! And I really think it's the right peshat. The Rambam says: ืฉื”ืžื™ื ื”ื ืžื•ืœื™ื›ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื”, ื•ืื™ื ื” ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื”. The Rambam doesn't say a word that it's resting! ืœื›ืื•ืจื” he's trying to say it's not ืžื”ืœืš, it's not a ืื™ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ, what does he say? ืื™ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. So he should have said, if I would write the Rambam, ืื™ื ื” ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช ืฉื”ืจื™ ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื•ื ื—, it's not ืžื”ืœืš! The Rambam doesn't say that. The Rambam says ืฉื”ืžื™ื the water makes it go, it's going! But because the water makes it go ื•ืื™ื ื” ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื”, it's not going by itself, that's why it's it's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. This all fits to what I'm saying, that the Rambam learns that the Gemara's peshat is different, not that the Gemara says that that it's resting. The Gemara ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ knows it's not resting! Ela mai? It's not going ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื”, ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื on its own, which is different than Tosafot. Now if you learn like that, automatically Tosafot' kashya is no kashya from the beginning! No? Tosafot' kashya was, it says ืื’ื•ื– ืขืดื’ ืžื™ื, it's not called ืžื•ื ื—. ืจื•ื›ื‘ ื›ืžื”ืœืš, if someone is riding a horse, he's not called ืžื•ื ื—, it's called moving. A kashya, by ืกืคื™ื ื”, the Gemara, the same case of ืกืคื™ื ื” in the water, which is like the ืื’ื•ื– in the water, the Gemara says it is ืžื•ื ื—! That's Tosafot' kashya! ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื™ื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื! So it's a stira. Here it says a ืกืคื™ื ื” on the water is resting, and here it says the ืื’ื•ื– ืขืดื’ ืžื™ื is not resting. So a stira! Kumt da Tosafot has to answer a ื’ืื ืฆืข ื‘ื™ืื•ืจ, a giant, and the ื‘ื™ืื•ืจ is very hard to understand. Rabbi Akiva Eiger in Gilyon HaShas asks, ืกื™ื™ in Bava Metzia, ืกื™ื™ here, doesn't understand it. According to the Rambam is there any problem? The the Rambam says when the Gemara says the ืกืคื™ื ื” rests, the Gemara doesn't mean the ืกืคื™ื ื” rests. ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ it does not rest. It's ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ going and it's ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ not ืžื•ื ื—. ืืœื ืžืื™, ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื“ื™ืŸ ื—ืฆืจ, it's not a ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ. 'Cause in ื—ืฆืจ there is a din that the problem is only if it's ื”ื™ืœื•ื›ื• ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื•. And this is not ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื•. By Shabbos, we don't care if it's ืžื—ืžืช ืขืฆืžื• or not. By Shabbos if you put it down, you put it down. So according to the Rambam, it's not called resting because like ืกืคื™ื ื” it's also not called resting, and by Shabbos it's not called an ื”ื ื—ื”, not called an ืขืงื™ืจื”. ืจื•ื›ื‘ ื›ืžื”ืœืš. Why? Because if you're riding a horse, even though you're moving because of the horse, you're moving. It's not a pshat you're not moving. So it's not an ื”ื ื—ื”. Like ืื’ืก, ืื™ื™ the Gemara says over there ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื, the Rambam says it doesn't mean it's resting. ืกืคื™ื ื” ืžื ื— ื ื™ื™ื—ื on its own it would have rested. So the whole chesaron, according to the Rambam, of why ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. Even though the lashon is it doesn't go. So let's see a different Rambam. Let's see the Rambam in Hilchos Mechirah ืคืจืง ื’ืณ ื”ืœื›ื” ื—ืณ. Let's see if this is the Rambam we're looking for. Here. Okay. Halacha in ืคืจืง ื’ืณ of Mechirah, ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื’. It's the Rambam I quoted before. Let's look at the Rambam. ื”ืžืงื ื” ื‘ื”ืžื” ื•ื›ืœื™ื, you're not ืงื•ื ื” the ื›ืœื™ื. Why? ืฉื”ื‘ื”ืžื” ื›ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช ื”ื™ื. And ืžืžื™ืœื it's not ืงื•ื ื” ืœื‘ืขืœื™ื. So the Rambam uses the lashon of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. A halacha right before that, the Rambam speaks about kinyan agav, which we will go into be'arichut more, but the Rambam says regarding an ืขื‘ื“. Let's read ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื‘: ื”ืžืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ื›ืื—ืช, if someone gives somebody ืขื‘ื“ื™ื and ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, ืžืฉืš ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืœื ืงื ื” ื”ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. You make a kinyan on ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, you're not ืงื•ื ื” the ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ืœื ืงื ื” ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. You make a chazakah on the ืขื‘ื“. ืืœื ืื ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืขืœ ื’ื‘ ื”ืขื‘ื“. Unless it was laying on him. ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ื›ืคื•ืช, and it only works if he's ื›ืคื•ืช. And he says why? ืฉื”ืจื™ he's tied, ืฉื”ืจื™ ืื™ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืœืš. And he can't go. That's the halacha we just spoke about. The halacha before, though this is not ืงื ื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘, this is the kinyan of ื—ืฆืจ. Halacha before, let's go by an halacha before. ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื: ื”ืžืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ืงืจืงืขื•ืช ื›ืื—ืช. Not ืขื‘ื“ื™ื and ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, ืขื‘ื“ื™ื and ืงืจืงืข. ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ืœื ืงื ื” ื”ืงืจืงืขื•ืช. You make a kinyan on ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, you're not ืงื•ื ื” the ืงืจืงืข. ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืงืจืงืขื•ืช ืœื ืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, unless they are in the ืงืจืงืข. ื•ืืฃ, even though he said to be ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘ ืงืจืงืข, ืœื ืงื ื” ืขื“ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืชื•ื›ื. You're not ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘ and not spend them in ืขื“. Why? So he says: ืฉื”ืขื‘ื“ ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So the Rambam says like this, you are ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘. Agav means, as if we'll have enough time we'll explain it more in the Rambam, but agav means if a person is ืžืงื ื” somebody ืงืจืงืข ื•ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, you make a kinyan on the ืงืจืงืข, ืื’ื‘ the ืงืจืงืข you ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. So l'chorah when you make a kinyan on the ืงืจืงืข, you should also be ืงื•ื ื” if an ืขื‘ื“ is, you want to be ืงื•ื ื” a ืงืจืงืข and ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. Make a kinyan on the ืงืจืงืข, and ืื’ื‘ the ืงืจืงืข be ืงื•ื ื” the ืขื‘ื“ื™ื. He says you can't do that. Why? Unless the ืขื‘ื“ is standing inside, but if he's not standing inside you can't, so the chesaron is: ืฉื”ืขื‘ื“ ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So here there's also a problem of the ืขื‘ื“ going, but it's not a problem of his walking, the problem is why is he not ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘, because it's ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•! The

Rambam on Servant Walking and Chesaron

next halacha, where the Rambam talks about ื›ืคื•ืช, the Rambam says again that the problem of an ืขื‘ื“ is because he walks, so it's one halacha right after the other. So I'm assuming that when the Rambam says the chesaron of an ืขื‘ื“ that he's walking, he's not just the fact that he's walking, it's a hemshech To the previous halacha where he says what's the chesaron of the ืขื‘ื“? That he walks ืžื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So this all fits to the ืฉื™ื˜ืช ื”ืจืžื‘ืดื that I'm trying to explain, that he holds the chesaron of an ืขื‘ื“, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, is not that he's walking. Even though here the Rambam when he says you can't be ืงื•ื ื” it because he's he's walking he's walking, but since before he says the chesaron of an ืขื‘ื“ walking is ืžื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•, the chesaron is because of ื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. And according to this, the few halacha in Rambam mamash comes with a very good hemshech. What's the hemshech? Right before this halacha, why an ืขื‘ื“ is called a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœืš, ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, we just, right before that halacha, the Rambam talks about ืื’ื‘. And like I said, what's the ืื’ื‘? If I want to ืงื•ื ื” ืงืจืงืข and ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ together, your ืงืจืงืข and ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, I make a ืงื ื™ืŸ on the ืงืจืงืข and ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. We

Machloket on Agav: Rambam vs. Raavad

have a machloket between the Rambam and the Raavad in the whole ื’ื“ืจ of ืื’ื‘. The Gemara in Kiddushin says like this, has a ืฉืืœื”: When you're ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘, the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘ the ืงืจืงืข, does the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ have to lay in the ืงืจืงืข? The Gemara calls it ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ. Gemara says no, doesn't. You can have ืงืจืงืข here, ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ there, you make a ืงื ื™ืŸ on the ืงืจืงืข, you ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. Then the Gemara asks, do you have to say the word ืื’ื‘? Do you have to use the word ืื’ื‘? So the Gemara says yes, ื”ืœื›ืชื: ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ? ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ. ืื’ื‘ ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ, ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ. The word ืื’ื‘ we have to say, ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ we don't have to say. Comes the Rambam, and the Rambam says an interesting din, in ืคืจืง ื’ืณ ื”ืœื›ื” ื—ืณ: ื”ืžืงื ื” ืงืจืงืข ื•ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ื›ืื—ื“, if you ืžืงื ื” both, ื›ื™ื•ืŸ ืฉืงื ื” ืงืจืงืข, ื ืงื ื• ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืขืžื•. Whether they, yeah. ื‘ืžื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืืžื•ืจื™ื, he says when are you ืงื•ื ื”? ื›ืฉื”ื™ื• ืืœื• ื”ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืงืจืงืข, if the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ are laying in the ืงืจืงืข. ืื‘ืœ ืื ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืื—ืจ, ืฆืจื™ืš ืฉื™ืืžืจ ืœื• ืงื ื” ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘ ืงืจืงืข. So the Rambam says like this, that if it's laying inside, you don't have to say the word ืื’ื‘. If it's not laying inside, you have to say the word ืื’ื‘. Comes the Raavad and he says: ืืžืจ ืื‘ืจื”ื, ื–ื” ื”ื”ืคืจืฉ ืฉื›ืชื‘ ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ืœืื™ื ื ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ืื™ื ื• ืžื›ื•ื•ืŸ. It's wrong! ื“ืฉืžืขืชื ืœืื• ื”ื›ื™ ื—ื–ื™ื ืืœื ืœืขื•ืœื ืื’ื‘ ื•ืงื ื™ ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ. ืืคื™ืœื• ื‘ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ. Says, the Gemara said you have to say ืื’ื‘. The Rambam says when do you have to say ืื’ื‘? If it's laying inside. If it's not, if it's not, if it's not laying inside. If it's laying inside, you don't have to say. But the Raavad says you always have to say. What's the machloket? Well, the machloket pshat in the Gemara. The Rambam learns pshat in the Gemara: ืื’ื‘ ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ, ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื ืŸ, you have to say ืื’ื‘ because it doesn't have to be ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ. If it's ืฆื‘ื•ืจื™ืŸ, you don't need ืื’ื‘, and the Raavad learns different. But what's the sevara of the machloket? So just bekitzur, in two minutes, the machloket is what is the geder of ืงื ื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘. The Rambam learns, know what ืงื ื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘ is? How does ืงื ื™ืŸ ืื’ื‘ work? That the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ are batel to the ืงืจืงืข. So therefore, if you make a ืงื ื™ืŸ on the ืงืจืงืข, automatically you ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. And the Raavad says, nothing to do with bitul, it's a ืงื ื™ืŸ for itself. And this is what the Rambam learns like this: Since the whole reason you could be ืงื•ื ื” the ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ through the ืงืจืงืข is because it's batel, so if it's inside, it's batel because it's standing there. If it's not inside, you have to do something to be mevatel it. How are you mevatel it? When you say ืื’ื‘. By doing that, you're making it ื˜ืคืœ, you're making it batel. So the reason why it works, because it's batel. Now, this is the reason, it doesn't say in Rambam, but I'm going to explain, this is the reason for that halacha that I read before, and I'll read the halacha again, ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื, which is the halacha right before the halacha of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, where I explained that the reason is because it's going on its own ื“ืขืช. Listen to ื”ืœื›ื” ื™ืดื again: ื”ืžืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ืงืจืงืขื•ืช ื›ืื—ื“, if you give somebody ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื•ืงืจืงืขื•ืช, ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ืœื ืงื ื” ืงืจืงืขื•ืช, if you make a ืงื ื™ืŸ on the ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, the ืงืจืงืข not, ื”ื—ื–ื™ืง ื‘ืงืจืงืขื•ืช ืœื ืงื ื” ืขื‘ื“ื™ื, ืขื“ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื• ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืงืจืงืข. If the ืขื‘ื“ is standing in the ืงืจืงืข, then you are ืงื•ื ื”. And it has to be. Which means from the Rambam, that even if you said ืื’ื‘, by an ืขื‘ื“ it doesn't work. When do we say that ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ doesn't have to be inside? Just by saying ืื’ื‘ is enough if it's ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ. If an ืขื‘ื“ you want to be ืงื•ื ื” ืื’ื‘ ืงืจืงืข, saying ืื’ื‘ is not enough. The Raavad says: Why does it have to stand inside? ื”ืจื™ ืืžืจ ืœื• ืื’ื‘ ื•ืงื ื™. And the Rambam says, by an ืขื‘ื“ it's a separate ื“ื™ืŸ. By an ืขื‘ื“, the ืขื‘ื“ to be ืงื•ื ื” through the ืงืจืงืข, he has to be standing. And the Rambam gives a reason: You're only ืงื•ื ื” it ืขื“ ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืชื•ื›ื”, ืฉื”ืขื‘ื“ ืž- ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. What's the peshat? You know why an ืขื‘ื“ has to stand inside? Regular ืงื ื™ืŸ ืžื˜ืœื˜ืœื™ืŸ, how are you ืงื•ื ื” it? Because it's ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข. An ืขื‘ื“ cannot be ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข. Why is an ืขื‘ื“ not ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข? Because he has his own brains. That's what the Rambam ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So in order for an ืขื‘ื“ to be ื‘ื˜ืœ there it has to stand inside, and saying ืื’ื‘ is not enough. So it comes out that this ื”ืœื›ื” ื™\"ื of the

Rambam's Explanation for Servant Inside Land

Rambam when he says the word of an ืขื‘ื“ walking, and the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ is ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•, what's the peshat according to this peshat? Why is he not ืงื•ื ื” unless he's standing inside? Because he has his own brains. What's the problem if he has his own brains? He can't be ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข, because the whole ืื’ื‘ is ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข, he can't be ื‘ื˜ืœ to the ืงืจืงืข. So the Rambam made it very clear that the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ of an ืขื‘ื“ walking by ืื’ื‘ is because he's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. Comes the next ื”ืœื›ื” and the Rambam tells us that an ืขื‘ื“ is a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. Yes, because he can walk. And we said according to the Rambam what's the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ of a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช? That he's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. So the two ื”ืœื›ื•ืช go together, they're both a problem of the ืขื‘ื“ because he's ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So on the first ื”ืœื›ื” the Rambam makes it very clear, he says the ืœืฉื•ืŸ, not that it's ืžื”ืœืš, ืžื”ืœืš is no problem over there, it's ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So the next ื”ืœื›ื” where the Rambam says that an ืขื‘ื“ is a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช, because he's ืžื”ืœืš, obviously he means the same thing, because next ื”ืœื›ื” ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. So it comes out here ื‘ื›ืœืœื•ืช, very clear from all these Rambam together, that the Rambam holds the ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ of ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช is because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. ืžืžื™ืœื it's held that it's not a ื—ืฆืจ ื‘ื›ืœืœ. The same ื—ืกืจื•ืŸ as ื—ืฆืจ ืฉืื™ื ื” ืžืฉืชืžืจืช. So with one thing you take care of it.

Tosafot vs. Rambam on Ship as Chazara

According to Tosafot the reason why, not because it's not ื‘ื˜ืœ. It's not a problem of ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ืœ. You can't be ืงื•ื ื” that it's, and not ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ, so you need two ืขื ื™ื ื™ื. According to the Rambam it comes out that when the Gemara says a ืกืคื™ื ื” is not a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช it's not because it's not moving. ืžืคื•ืจืฉ moving, but not ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื”. According to Tosafot, if the problem is it can't be ืžื•ืฉืจืฉ because it's movable, the answer by ืกืคื™ื ื” would be it's like a resting. So according to Tosafos we have a problem: if the ืกืคื™ื ื” is resting, why is the ืขื’ืœื” not resting? So Tosafos has to come up with a teirutz. According to the Rambam we have a problem: ืกืคื™ื ื” is mefurash not resting either. ืกืคื™ื ื” is, why is the ืกืคื™ื ื” not ืžื”ืœื›ืช? Because it doesn't go ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื”. Which lichorah could be a ื ืคืงื ืžื™ื ื” ืœื”ืœื›ื” between Tosafos and the Rambam. What about a wagon? Is a wagon a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช or not? A wagon that has wheels, is it a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช or not? According to Tosafos it would be. Maybe, unless you're going to say the wheels make it turn. But it's be'etzem going. According to the Rambam it's no problem, it's not ืžื”ืœืš ืœื“ืขืช ืขืฆืžื•. According to Tosafos could be also it's not because it's like a ืกืคื™ื ื” that something else is making it move, could be. Who? ื—ืžื•ืจ. ื—ืžื•ืจ is like a, like a ื‘ื”ืžื”, what's the difference? Well, the ืคื™ืงื— ืฉื‘ื”ื, no two things here. I know, I'm just saying, but the vort, the bottom line is that according to Tosafos ืกืคื™ื ื” is ืžื•ื ื—, and we have a problem, and we need a teirutz. According to the Rambam, ืกืคื™ื ื” is not ืžื•ื ื— and it's still not called a ื—ืฆืจ ื”ืžื”ืœื›ืช. According to who? Tosafos. We're not learning Tosafos yet. What's the Tosafos, I mean you learned the Tosafos, no? Same thing Tosafos says, no? Thank you. ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืงื ื™ืŸ ื™ื“, ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื—ืฆืจ it's a different ื“ื™ืŸ. ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื—ืฆืจ, even if it's, even if it's... ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื—ืฆืจ that's not called moving. Why is it, I don't, I don't get why it has to be stopped, I mean moving...

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