What Can You Say to Someone Who Just Died?
What Can You Say to Someone Who Just Died?
Part of Life Cycle · 17:38
Aggada on Rav Yehuda's consoling dream, the etiquette of speaking in front of the deceased, and where the souls of the righteous and wicked rest.
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Gemara: ההוא דשכיב בשיבבותיה דרב יהודה, someone who died in the neighborhood of רב יהודה, לא הוו ליה מנחמי, he didn't have any מנחמים, which means he didn't have any people who should get נחמה, no אבלים. כל יומא הוה דבר רב יהודה בי עשרה, everyday רב יהודה would get 10 people. He had no kids? Had no kids, right, but there's no brothers. ויתיב בדוכתיה, stayed in this in in the in his place. ולאחר שבעה ימים, after the seven days, איתחזי ליה בחלמא דרב יהודה, he came to the dream to רב יהודה, ואמר ליה, and he said to him: תנוח דעתך שהנחת את דעתי. You should feel good, you made me feel good, in other words. How did he How was he מנחם him by staying in his What was מנחם? He He brought 10 people to to be in the house. Oh. If you have no אבלים. Yeah. That's a Did he sleep there or anything else? Here it says he brought them. No, but they davent there. Mainly what it says is you should daven there. Now it says you should daven at least one Mincha... At least one סימן. We did that for Haber? Hm? We did that for Haber? Shacharit? Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah, I think I think no, I think every day we davent one סימן over there. Every day we davent? I think Mincha Maariv we went there or something, yeah. Where was that? By Harkavy. We did Mincha Maariv. I think every day they did Mincha Maariv. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Don't you remember? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And then, enough said, his wife could get rid of Oh, you wanted to tell him that your mother passed away, so you know, that this is the best of all possible worlds. Yeah, but no. By some people, so a challenge is this, you know. Yeah.
אמר רב אבהו, רב אבהו said: כל שאומרים בפני המת, whatever you say in front of the dead person, יודע, he knows, עד שיסתם הגולל, until you cover the the grave, until you make the mound, the top, sand. פליגי בה ר' חייא ור' שמעון בר אבא, there's an argument about that between ר' חייא and ר' שמעון בר אבא. חד אמר, one says: עד שיסתם הגולל, טאקע until you cover up, וחד אמר: עד שיתאכל הבשר, until the flesh gets rotten. Tzadikim live on forever. Yeah. מאן דאמר עד שיתאכל הבשר, one says the one that says עד שיתאכל הבשר because there's a pasuk: אך בשרו עליו יכאב, the flesh hurts. That means as long as there is flesh there, it feels. ומאן דאמר עד שיסתם הגולל, the one that says that until you cover the grave, כתיב it says: וישב העפר על הארץ כשהיה, so you put that because like before then it's finished. תנו רבנן, the רבנן learned there's a pasuk that says: והרוח תשוב אל האלקים אשר נתנה. The ruach, which means the neshamah, Well, wait. Nevertheless, it takes time. What? To For it to return to the dust, it takes time. No, the not that No, it doesn't say that it'll become turns into the dust. וישב, you put the dust on the ground. You put the sand. It says: והרוח תשוב אל האלקים אשר נתנה, the neshamah will return to God who gave it. תנה לו כמו שנתנה לך. Give it back like He gave you. He gave it to you b'taharah? Clean? אף אתה בטהרה, so you should also give it back b'taharah.
משל למלך בשר ודם, משל of a king שחילק בגדי מלכות לעבדיו, he gave out royal garments to his עבדים, obviously for them to use. Now פיקחין שבהן, the smart ones, כפלום, I guess it means after they finish using it when you had to, they folded it up, והניחום בקופסא, put them in a box. טיפשין שבהן, the fools, הלכו ועשו בהן מלאכה, they kept it on the whole time and they went they got dirty. לימים ביקש המלך את כליו, came later and he he gave it lechatchilah for a time, so now give it back. פיקחין שבהן החזירום כשהן מגוהצין, the smart ones gave it back polished, so nice, they kept it clean. טיפשין שבהן, the stupid ones, החזירום כשהן מלוכלכין, gave back dirty. שמח המלך על הפיקחין, so the king was happy with the smart ones, וכעס על הטיפשין, was angry at the stupid ones. על הפיקחין אמר, for the smart ones he said: ינתנו כלי לאוצר, take the clothes that they got and put them back to the storage, והם ילכו לבתיהם לשלום, they're now ready to go home in peace. על הטיפשין אמר, says: כלים ינתנו לכובס, the clothes first give to the washer, והם יתחבשו בבית האסורים, and put them in jail. So the same thing here, the Eibershter gave us as the clothes, brings us down, he gives us and he wants us to give it back clean. Put them in jail, so that's like the body and the soul and the body, yeah? No. What's the levushim and the That's What he's The mashal of a person after he dies, he goes to jail. Goes to, yeah, in a sense. But what about the levushim? It's also the soul also have to go through a purification. Yes, that's what But in the body also suffers. He's talking about the body here. Cuz there's two things. Yeah, yeah. Wash the garments and put the put the guys in jail. Yeah.
אף הקדוש ברוך הוא על גופן של צדיקים אומר, also Hashem says on the body the tzadikim: יבוא שלום, they should come with peace, ינוחו על משכבותם, and they should rest in their resting place. ועל נשמתן אומר, and on the neshamah he says: והיתה נפש אדוני צרורה בצרור החיים. Let the nefesh of my master be tied in the tight in the tie of life. על גופם של רשעים אומר, and the bodies of the רשעים he says, אין שלום אמר השם לרשעים. There's no shalom. See, but the by the צדיקים he said, יבוא שלום, by the body he said. The shalom By them there's no shalom. ועל נשמתם אומר, and on the neshamah he says, ואת נפש אויבך יקלענה בתוך כף הקלע. And he's going to put them in כף הקלע. Now כף הקלע, the word קלע means actually a slingshot. And why is it called כף הקלע? Because the thing that they use for the slingshot looks like it has place you put a rock or something, it's round like a spoon. So כף is a spoon. Whatever it is, the Eibershter puts them in כף הקלע. And Chassidus says, Kabbalah says, what's כף הקלע? Slingshot! Slingshot. You have this and you shoot a stone like Dovid Hamelech used to kill Golyas. So in חסידות, כף הקלע means they throw you, just like a slingshot, they throw you from here to there. They mix you up. They throw you from one place, a second you see Elokus, and the other part, a second, you see kelipos and you'll be you don't know where you are. They say even sometimes they throw you down into olam hazeh. And and and you're still here, you're really dead, but yeah. You see all your foolish deeds. And then they show you a movie of everything that you did. And they have and they have a a It's like 3D. They have an audience watching. That's that's כף הקלע. It's part of כף הקלע. There they show you and this is all this It's not the same audience that you lived with, it's different. I'm not so sure. We'll have to wait for the I always told the story that somebody once, when someone was talking about כף הקלע by a farbrengen, and he said that people could be thinking that they're living in olam hazeh, and really they're they're in כף הקלע. So one guy says, \"Rebbe, maybe I'm scared, maybe I'm in כף הקלע!\" So he says, \"shoteh, you wouldn't see me here.\" Tanya, it says in a ברייתא, רבי אלעזר רבי אלעזר says, נשמותיהן של צדיקים גנוזות תחת כסא הכבוד. The neshamot of the צדיקים are hidden under the כסא הכבוד. Basically, you have to be perfect to avoid all this. ועמך כולם צדיקים. שנאמר, it says, והיתה נפש אדוני צרורה בצרור החיים. Now what is the צרור החיים? The Aibershter. It says צרור החיים, השם אלקיך, that's the The Aibershter, sure. So what it means is before it comes down, the same thing after it goes back, so tzadikim go back to the תחת כסא הכבוד. I says tzadikim go back and they sit in Gan Eden and they're נהנים מזיו השכינה, they have hana'ah from the Shechinah, so it's no setirah, it's the same thing. כסא הכבוד is the מדרגה of Gan Eden. How did she know all this? She was Dr. Avigail is married to Naval, and she's giving all these great chidushim and saying all these She was a great person. She's married to a rich guy, ah, ah Okay, but she was a tzadeikes. She was a prophetess. Yeah. How comes that? How comes that? Well, I mean She was being married to a guy like that and here she is like like it's like Devorah being married to some ושקוס or Yeah, that that's what But that's how it's done, you know. To find you a No, but I mean she was like she's saying things that would be fit for a big neviah to say. So she was a big neviah. She chose such a husband? He was He was a Naval, a Naval. Anyway, so by the tzadikim, the נשמות are under the כסא הכבוד. So the resha'im, what happens to them? They don't go back there. Zei mussers They're in jail. They're constantly fighting in jail. שנאמר, it says, ואת נפש אויבך, the נפש of your enemy, what's going to יקלענה בתוך כף הקלע. That's the jail they're in. So we know what tzadikim, resha'im.
אמר ליה רבא לרב נחמן, של בינונים מאי? Tzadikim are תחת כסא הכבוד, רשעים are jailed down there, what are beinonim? אמר ליה, so he said to him, אי כשכיבנא, לא אמרי לכו הא מילתא. You know, good that you asked me now, cuz had you not asked me, and I would have died with this secret in my mind, no one would ever know about it. I have an answer, no one would know. הכי אמר שמואל, this is what Shmuel said, אלו ואלו לדומה נמסרין. Both the beinonim and the side of the resha'im, when they die, are given over to the hands of Dumah. Dumah is the malach that's ממונה on the נשמות, that's it. That's what it says, that when you die, Duma comes to you and asks you, \"What's your name?\" And you forget. And then when you say that's what the segulah, if you say the pasuk with your name beginning and the end of Shmoneh Esrei, so that keeps is in your mind. But anyway, you're given to Duma. אלו ואלו לדומה נמסרו. הללו יש להם מנוחה, והללו אין להם מנוחה. The בינונים have peace, they're takeh not in צרור החיים not yet, but they have peace, they're they're calm. But the רשעים are not. From יראה, right? From why does everybody forget their name? Yeah, yeah. From fear. Someone said at a at a farbrengen, it's a very good thing, to die is very scary, you can חלש from it. You can faint, you know, when you see When you die, it's so scary that you could faint from it. Why were the בינונים together with the רשעים? Yeah, that that's what he said, they're not, they're given to Duma, but they have peace there, they're not going to the right place yet, but they they don't bother them, but the other רשעים have no מנוחה. So who decides whether or not, the grand jury? He is the ממונה, isn't that the jury? No, he's like the maitre d'. He's the ממונה, I'm I'm not sure. He's the maitre d', he tells you which table to sit at. He takes, I don't know if he decides. He's the one that's the shaliach. He greets you. Okay, wherever the standards, he takes you, but where you belong, he takes you to the בית דין של מעלה, and בית דין של מעלה will decide. Yeah. A shaliach. Yeah, they give you a map anyway. Huh? The bailiff. Yeah, but he asks you, you have to register when you come there, you have to sign, write your name, you have to do this. And if you don't know your name... says if you forget your name... you forget your name, and you're very, you're very embarrassing, you don't know your name, you don't know who you are. What's his okay, your name in the Shema. Not Shema, the end of Shmoneh Esrei. There's a pasuk that every person says, a pasuk that starts, the first letter of his name, and the pasuk finishes with the last letter of his name. That's for this... Then we say the Rebbe's. That's what I always know, you should know that, so then when you... Huh? And you're good. Everyone says the Rebbe's. Huh? Which one is that? מאירה עיני שניהם סמך לבו שמועה טובה דשנה עצם מה טובו אהליך יעקב משכנותיך ישראל. You have to say before yours or after? I always say, I say before, but it's part of doing it. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why, like our siddurim don't have, like some siddurim have the... No, it has in the bottom. Doesn't it have in the back? Have all the names? This one has. Does that? Yeah, this siddur has in the back. In the back, all the way, right here has some place it lists all the... I mean, did I look in the index? I mean, is it basically the same ones for most of the... Oh, every... Shneur Zalman, Shneur, שין, וכולי, whatever. שין וריש, יגדל נא... But there are so many names. Doesn't have all the names. No, but it fits for mo- most of them, no? למשל, usually he says you should try to say a pasuk in Tehillim. But למשל Mendel doesn't have a pasuk in Tehillim, there's no מ and the ל. So, that's why we say מה טובו, there is a pasuk in Chumash. There's no, what do you mean there's no מ and ל? מה טובו is not Tehillim? It it, yeah, yeah, if it is. I thought מה טובו, that's always in Chumash. It's no, it's Chumash. No, it's in Balak. No, the book of Tehillim. Look at the index in the front. Oh, here you got it. Yeah. Here you have all the names. Not all. Here, yeah, you see? Takes למשל מ ל, that's Mendel: מה טובו אהליך יעקב משכנותיך ישראל. Now, מ, Menachem is מ, and the שלש מ is מאירה עיני שניהם סמך לבו שמועה טובה דשנה עצם. Now, let's see if it has Yehuda. Of course it has Yehuda. Yeah? Oh, I say that pasuk. You say a different pasuk? You say a different pasuk? Which pasuk do you say? Because there's more than one pasuk starts with י and ends with ה, I don't know who chose this. What's here, יהודה? Here, it says: ה' הושיעה נפשי... ה' צבאות עמנו משגב לנו אלוקי יעקב סלה. Moishe, which one? That's that's not the pasuk I say. Moishe is מ and ה, right? And Leib, let's see what it says for Leib. I don't know if it has Leib. Oh, it has ל ב. They have ל ב? Yeah, but it's a pasuk in Chumash. That's not the pasuk I say. I say a pasuk in Tehillim. Wait, so you say for both names? So, you say for one name, no? No, you say for both. For both names, you have two names. So, we say we say both for... But, Zalman, it's, again, it's Chumash. For Zalman, it's Chumash saying: Which one is for Zalman? לראות בטוב ה' בארץ חיים. ימי שנותינו בהם שבעים שנה... זלמן, זלמן, ולחטאתי ימי ספוספה, yeah. And Shneur? Shneur, שמע ה' קולי אקרא חנני וענני, ה' צבאות משגב לנו... Ah, so that's the pasuk you say. I remember משגב לנו every day. ה' צבאות משגב לנו... So, it's just the first name? Both names, both. Not the last, but both names. You have two names. You have two names, Shneur Zalman, yeah. You should tell a person, then you should put your name on the wall that you gave to the shul, to the school, you have your name on the wall, in case they ask you, 'What's your name?' You can remember say, 'I don't know my name, but it's on the wall. Go to the beis medrash.' I I ain't going there. I I'm not going to go there, he says, he says, 'I want to know from you.' Avner, Avner, אלה ברכב ואלה בסוסים, that's a good name. That's a good pasuk. It's better than not answering anything. You say that, you say it every day. Yeah, so the Gemara continues, אמר ליה, אמר רב, אמר רב מרי. Rav Mari said, אפילו תימא דעפרא, צדיקים, even the tzadikim will turn to afar. Ksiv, it says, וישב העפר על הארץ כשהיה. One second. So the גמרא, הנהו קפולאי דהוו קפלי בארעא דרב נחמן, those in the land of Rav Nachman there were diggers that dug dug, נחר בהו רב אחאי בר יאשיה, they heard a voice coming from the ground screaming at them, and this was Rav Achai bar Yashya. אתו ואמרו ליה לרב נחמן And they came, told him, נחר בן גברא. So, a person is screaming from underground. אתא, he came, ואמר ליה, he says, מאן ניהו מר? Who are you? אמר ליה, he said, I'm, אנא אחא בר יאשיה, I'm אחא בר יאשיה. אמר ליה, ולאו אמר רב מרי עתידין צדיקים דהוו עפרא? Didn't רב מרי say the tzadikim become afar and I see you're not afar? אמר ליה, מאן מרי? Who who is this Mari that said this? לא ידענא ליה, I don't know him. אמר ליה, he said, \"Okay, forget about רב מרי. והא כתיב, the verse, it says a פסוק, וישב העפר על הארץ כשהיה, they come back to עפר.\" And that's a pasuk in Koheles. אמר ליה, I'll tell you the אקרך בקהלת, ולא אקרך במשלי, the one that taught you Koheles, but never taught you Mishlei. Because in משלי ורקב, it says in in משלי ורקב עצמות קנאה, the bones of kinah will rot. That means כל מי שיש לו קנאה בלבו, whoever has kinah, jealousy, עצמותיו מרקיבין, his bones rot. כל שאין לו קנאה בלבו, אין עצמותיו מרקיבין. If you don't have jealousy, it doesn't rot, so that's why. גששיה, so he started touching him. חזיה דאית ביה מששא. Yeah, he's there, it's a body. אמר ליה, he says, ליקום מר וליתי לביתא. Get up and go home. אמר ליה, he said to him, גלית אדעתך דאפילו נביאי לא קרית. Not only you didn't learn Koheles, you didn't learn Mishlei, you didn't learn Neviim either. כתיב, cuz there's a pasuk in Neviim it says, וידעתם כי אני ה' בפתחי את קברותיכם, I'll open your קברים, ובהעלותי אתכם מקברותיכם עמי, I'm going to take you out from your kevarim. So only the Eibershter could do it. He didn't know the halachos, you're not supposed to touch. He wasn't mes. אמר ליה, he said to him, והכתיב, but it says, כי עפר אתה ואל עפר תשוב, but does that say a pasuk that you you're going to come back to עפר? I am returning to עפר, yeah. Yeah, אמר ליה, he said, ההוא שעה אחת קודם תחיית המתים. That pasuk doesn't mean you'll rot. Every person, even tzadikim, a minute before Techiyas Hameisim, they'll rot and then they'll get Techiyas Hameisim. That's for any person that does not have kinah? Huh? For any person that Any person that doesn't have kinah, that not jealous. That's That's good. That's a good kinah. קנאת סופרים תרבה חכמה. עין עין, yeah, it means He didn't have the קנאה, he has regular jealousy. So they rot completely and it's just before, or this is why a little bit, and then rot? No, it says a rega before it. A rega before, they'll rot completely. Yeah. It's like really yesh me'ayin. עפר. It becomes That's a קנאה. Very interesting. They burn? No. In a form, maybe a good thing. They they'd like to be that מדרגה, too. That's something else. Now what did you say? What was that? And you and the and the מנהג of saying לפניו before? Oh, that's