Why You Shouldn't Meet a Woman Right After the Mikvah
Why You Shouldn't Meet a Woman Right After the Mikvah
Part of Misc · 17:31
Folk-halachic advice on avoiding a woman right after she immerses, verses recited for protection, and a story of a student chased by shedim.
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讗诪专 讗诪讬诪专. In the middle of this whole 讗诪专 讗诪讬诪专, 讗诪讬诪专 said: 讗诪专讛 诇讬 专讬砖讗 讚谞砖讬 讻砖驻谞讬讜转, the leader the leader of all the women who do black magic told me: 讛讗讬 诪讗谉 讚驻讙注 讘讛讜 讘谞砖讬 讻砖驻谞讬讜转, if you happen to meet up with these magicians, with these women magicians, and you want to make sure that they don't do any trouble, so 谞讬诪讗 诇讛 谞讬诪讗 讛讻讬, this is what you should say. And if you say this, then you get rid of it. Say like this: 讞专讬 讞诪讬诪讬 讘讚讬拽讜诇讗 讘讬讝讬讬讗. Oh, we learned this already. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, we got the wrong page. Yeah, we learned this. Oh, we're holding here, yeah, further, further, down here, yeah. 讛谞讬 转专转讬 谞砖讬 here. No, we we left off with with 转专讬... 讚讻讬讬诇讬 讜谞驻拽讬 讚讻讬讬诇讬 讚讻讬讬诇讬, no? That was the last thing we did, no? 讬状讞 讙. Here we're holding. Yeah, 讚讻讬讬诇讬, that's where we're holding, yeah. 讛谞讬 转专转讬 谞砖讬, I'm sorry. Yeah, I just I didn't realize. 讛谞讬 转专转讬 谞砖讬, yes, if you see two women 讚讬转讘谉 讘驻专砖转 讚专讻讬诐, they're sitting by a fork in the road, and 讞讚讗 讘讛讗讬 讙讬住讗 讚砖讘讬诇讗 讜讞讚讗 讘讛讗讬 讙讬住讗 讚砖讘讬诇讗, one woman is sitting on one side of the street and one on the other side of the street, 讜诪住讞专谉 讗驻讬讬讛讜 诇讛讚讚讬, and you see their face they're looking at each other, you should know 讛谞讬 讜讚讗讬 讘讻砖驻讬诐 注住拽讬谞谉, they're definitely involved in black magic. And therefore, 诇讗 诇讬诇讱 讘讬谞讬讬讛讜, don't go between them. 诪讗讬 转拽谞转讬讛, what should you do? 讗讬 讗讬讻讗 讚专讻讗 讗讞专讬谞讗, there's another way to go, 诇讬讝诇, go the other 诇讬讝诇, will go the other way. 讜讗讬 诇讬讻讗, there's no other way, 讜讗讬 诇讬讻讗 讚专讻讗 讗讞专讬谞讗, there's no other way, so like this: 讗讬 讗讬讻讗 讗讬谞讬砖 讘讛讚讬讛, if he has another person with him, 谞谞拽讟讜 诇讬讚讬讛 讚讛讚讚讬, hold him by his hand, 讜谞讬讞诇驻讜, and together you walk by. So you walk by... Yeah, yeah, but this is two sides of the street. That's when you have two women within 讚壮 讗诪讜转, that's what you do. But here, they could be far far, so as far as going between women is no problem, but because of the 讻砖祝, that's the problem, so you hold her hand. No, it says no, it doesn't say hold, go together. 讜讗讬 诇讗 讜讗讬 诇讗, and if he can't do that, 谞讬诪讗 讛讻讬 this way. Huh? Yeah, you should hold them by his hand. Yeah. Hold hands together. No, yeah, but it's true it says here you should hold your hand together, but the main thing is that when two people go together, then they won't they won't start up with you. 讜讗讬 诇讗, if you can't, 谞讬诪讗 讛讻讬, say this. This is what you should say: 讗讙专转 讗讝诇转 讗讜住讬讗 讘诇讜住讬讗 诪转拽讟诇转讜谉 讘讞爪讬 拽讘诇. Which means like this: these are shadim, names of shadim, and you say to them that you should know these shadim that help you, that you're involved with the 讻砖祝, are killed already with arrows. Say that, I guess you scare them off and they don't bother you. Okay? You're scaring the shadim or you're scaring the women? What who are you scaring? Huh? You scare the women. You tell them that the shadim that help you do this 讻砖祝 are dead, so then they don't do it. But they can see if they're dead or not. I guess they don't. I guess they can't see for sure. Maybe it takes them a long while till they find out. Anyway, most of these things anyway are 诇讞砖讬诐, which we have no idea what they mean and this. At least some of them have make a little bit of sense, but it's much more than what it says.
讛讗讬 诪讗谉 讚驻讙注 讘讗砖讛 讘注讬讚谞讗 讚住诇拽讗 诪讟讘讬诇转 诪爪讜讛, a man who meets a woman as she's coming out of the mikveh, so bad thing, 讗讬 讗讬讛讜 拽讚讬诐 讜诪砖诪砖, if he is the one that does 转砖诪讬砖 讛诪讟讛, he does he has relations with his wife before she happens to have relations with her husband, 讗讙讝讗 诇讬讛 诇讚讬讚讬讛 专讜讞 讝谞讜谞讬诐. That then will happen, a ruach, a spirit of 讝谞讜转 will get to him. 讗讬 讗讬讛讬 拽讚诪讛 讜诪砖诪砖讛, if she does it first, 讗讙讝讗 诇讛 诇讗讬讛讬 专讜讞 讝谞讜谞讬诐. So if it don't happen her, it will happen a 专讜讞 of 讝谞讜转. 诪讗讬 转拽谞转讬讛? Yeah, somebody has to... Stay away from the women's mikvah at that time. No, it means you, probably means the first one, you can always see the woman, it's the That's the damage. That's why there's a mikveh lady who's there, and she's the first one that sees you. Because in case it says you shouldn't see for her sake. Oh, it's not when she comes out of the building, it's right when she comes out of the mikvah. That's not, yeah, I guess so. No, out of the building. If she didn't see anybody first, after the mikveh, if she doesn't the first person she sees, it says if she sees a dog, halachah like that, if she sees a dog the first thing, she has to go back to the mikveh. If she sees a goy, she has to go back to the mikveh. That's one of the reasons the mikveh lady is there, and she's there so she's the first Jew that you meet, so now you're patur on everything. What about Rabbi Yochanan? Rabbi Yochanan... Sat outside. Sat outside, but it... No, other women. Yeah, 诪讗讬 转拽谞转讬讛? What happens if you did see a woman come out of the mikveh, what what do you do? 诇讬诪讗 讛讻讬, this is what you should say: 砖-, there's a pasuk,
砖讜驻讱 讘讜讝 注诇 谞讚讬讘讬诐 讜讬转注诐 讘转讜讛讜 诇讗 讚专讱, which means pour on on on 讘讜讝 on 谞讚讬讘讬诐, in other words, it's it's like it's like a lachash, but it's more than a lachash, you're saying, you're asking the Eibershter to throw on the 拽诇讬驻讜转, on the on this 转讗讜讜转, should throw throw it away. 讗诪专 专讘 讬爪讞拽, 专讘 讬爪讞拽 said, 诪讗讬 讚讻转讬讘? It's a pasuk in Tehillim, no? There's a pasuk in Tehillim. 诪讗讬 讚讻转讬讘? Well, it's here it's a halachah. What's the pshat in the pasuk where it says, 讙诐 讻讬 讗诇讱 讘讙讬讗 爪诇诪讜转, even if I go in the valley of death, 诇讗 讗讬专讗 专注. David Hamelech is saying, nothing will happen bad to me, 讻讬 讗转讛 注诪讚讬, you're with me. Now what's the person, who's a person that's going 讘讙讬讗 爪诇诪讜转? What kind of person walks in the 讙讬讗 爪诇诪讜转? So he says, 讝讛 讛讬砖谉 No, it doesn't mean like a person. So he says, 讝讛 讛讬砖谉 讘爪诇 讚拽诇 讬讞讬讚讬. If you sleep in the shade of one palm tree, one date tree. Why? Because if the the it's there's a shade there, the 砖讚讬诐 go around there. So if you go if you sleep there, they'll get you. Or 讘爪诇 诇讘谞讛, the shade of the 诇讘谞讛. Okay, so that's called 爪诇 爪诇诪讜- 讙讬讗 爪诇诪讜转. That's something that's dangerous. And the Gemara explains details: 讜爪诇 讚拽诇 讬讞讬讚讬, even though when we said it's a problem Excuse me, when the moon is full, right? It's not necessarily Not when it's full, when it's just shining. And in when we say in the shade of one tree, 诇讗 讗诪专谉 讗诇讗 讚诇讗 谞驻讬诇 讟讜诇讗 讚讞讘专讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛. That's only if there is the other tree is not next to it and there is no shade from the other tree falling on this tree. 讗讘诇 谞驻诇 讟讜诇讗 讚讞讘专讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛, but if the shade of the other tree falls on this, 诇讬转 诇谉 讘讛, then there's no problem. The shedim don't go there. Doesn't have to be always 转诪专, right? Can be any tree? No, it has to be a regular, a 讚拽诇. No, it's a 讚拽诇讗, 讚拽诇讗. 讗诇讗, the Gemara says, but 讛讗 讚转谞讬讗, it says in the braisa: 讛讬砖谉 讘爪诇 讚拽诇 讬讞讬讚讬 讘讞爪专, if a person sleeps in the 爪诇, the shade of a single 讚拽诇 in the yard, 讜讛讬砖谉 讘爪诇 诇讘谞讛, and if someone who sleeps in the shade of the 诇讘谞讛, 讚诪讜 讘专讗砖讜. Your blood is in your head, that means you're taking your life in, you're putting yourself in danger. 讛讬讻讬 讚诪讬, what is the case? Why is it worse in the yard? What do you mean? Wait, wait. So the Gemara says, what the case? 讗讬诇讬诪讗 讚诇讗 谞驻讬诇 讟讜诇讗 讚讞讘专讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛, if the case is where it's single and the other shade is not on this, so what's the yard? 讗驻讬诇讜 讘砖讚讛 谞诪讬, even the field 谞诪讬, all the 谞诪讬. Why the yard? 讗诇讗 诇讗讜, it must be 砖诪注 诪讬谞讛 this teaches us that 讘讞爪专, 讗祝 注诇 讙讘 讚谞驻诇 讟讜诇讗 讚讞讘专讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛, 砖诪注 诪讬谞讛. In the yard, it's worse. In a place where it's not in the yard, then the problem is only if it's a single tree. If there's another tree next to it and the shade of the other tree falls on this tree, it's no problem. In the yard, even that's a problem. But why is the yard worse? Why? No, no, no, the shade, so the moon is shining and then there is like a wall blocking and you're sleeping in the shade of the moon. So you're bet- you're better off sleeping in the, in the moonlight? Yeah, the moonlight rather than in the shade. What's in a yard? What's in a yard, why? I don't know. Shedim go there. The shedim like privacy also. If it's a private place, it's in the more the more Yeah, all these things, these are where shedim go more. They go under the shade, they go this, and then in this case they don't go. Yeah, they have their own rules. They like to go in a place where they're not going to where no one's going to see them. In the courtyard and in the field it's not it's not as much of a Right, so saying, why? Because here, there they're more, more chance that they're going to be there. How do you sleep in a tent? Huh? How do you sleep in a tent? Why? The moon is shining. That's not shade, I mean, that's like in the house. How do you sleep in the house? No, here it means, probably when there's something this is shade, what you call shade. If it's, I guess if it's covered from top also, here you're, like I said, there's a wall and the moon is shining and this the wall blocks out, yeah. Wall blocks and makes a shade. What are shedim? Demons. Kedushah, kind of kedushah? The Aibershter gave them koach. They were they were made bein hashmashot, no? 注专讘 砖讘转 讘讬谉 讛砖诪砖讜转. That's when they were created. Ramchal says it's in between a malach, it's a 诪讚专讙讛 in between a malach and a human being. Yeah. Who said it? The Ramchal. Oh, it says not not the only place it says, it says that it's in between a person and a malach, okay. They have a shtikel body. Malachim don't have at all, they have 专讜讞谞讬讜转'讚讬拽注 bodies, but not they have 讙砖诪讬讜转'讚讬拽注 bodies. One foot, they don't have a Huh? 爪讜专讛? Yeah. Some places it describes even what they look like. They have a one foot That's malach. The thing is Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Then it says also 讘爪讬诇讛 砖诇 诇讘谞讛, that you shouldn't sleep in the shade of the 诇讘谞讛, 诇讗 讗诪专谉, that was only 讘诪注专讘讗, on the 诪注专讘 side, 讗讘诇 讘诪讚谞讞转讗, but in the 诪讝专讞 side, 诇讬转 诇谉 讘讛, it's no problem. The whole thing is going to be the whole page is going to be here, the whole amud is with with these things. 讛讗讬 诪讗谉 讚诪讬驻谞讬 讗讙讬讝讝讗 讚讚讬拽诇讗, if a person is does his needs, goes to the bathroom, on a branch, or according to one opinion on a on a What's a slump, what's it called? Stump. A stump of a 讚拽诇讗. 讗讞讚讬讛 诇讬讛 专讜讞 驻诇讙讗. What's going to happen to him, he's going to get some kind of paralysis in part of his body. 讛讗讬 诪讗谉 讚诪谞讞 专讬砖讗 讗讙讬讝讝讗 讚讚讬拽诇讗, if somebody puts his head down on this stump of of a 讚拽诇讗, 讗讞讚讬讛 专讜讞 爪讚讗. He's going to get this other, this is a not a half a headache, a headache in half of his head. Half a headache is is not such a terrible thing, but he gets a full headache, but in half of his head. Huh? Yeah, but only 讞爪讬 专讗砖. Yeah? Migraine is a half? Oh, yeah? 讛讗讬 诪讗谉 讚驻住注 讗讚讬拽诇讗, if somebody is there's a branch of a 讚拽诇讗 laying on the floor, and you pass over it, you don't step on it, you're crossing, you put your foot, you're crossing over it. 讗讬 诪拽讟诇 拽讟讬诇, if that was killed, that thing was killed, that piece, you will die, you'll get killed. If you step over a branch of a palm tree? Yeah. Like, these palm tree branches all over the place? Yeah, one second, one second. But this no, the palm trees we have is not the real ones, those are not date trees. Yeah, real, a 讚拽诇讗 is a date tree. Yeah. But usually it's all just... You have some, very few. I think across from my house, I think they have a the street trees are the date trees. But usually most of them are not, most of them are coconuts. But let's see what he says here. 讗讬 注拽专, if it was pulled out, 诪讬注拽专, what is, you'll be pulled out, I don't know, pulled out from what, but you'll die. 讜讛谞讬 诪讬诇讬 讚诇讗 诪谞讞 讻专注讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛, that's only if you didn't step on it, 讗讘诇 诪谞讞 讻专注讬讛 注讬诇讜讬讛, 诇讬转 诇谉 讘讛, but if you stepped on it, no problem. It's only if you cross over it, walk over it. Causes him as well. Worse if you step over than if you step on it? I don't know, the shedim, they if you step on it, they get scared, I don't know, but if you don't step on it, they're not scared. We don't know their rules. Then it says, vayter. 讞诪讬砖讛, or the 讙讬专住讗, 讗专讘注讛 讟讜诇讬 讛讜讜. There are four or five shades, when he says a shade, like a a shadow, five five types which are no good:
讟讜诇讗 讚讚讬拽诇讗 讬讞讬讚讗讛, we said before, the shade of a single 讚拽诇讗; 讟讜诇讗 讚拽谞讚讗, the shade of a tree called 拽谞讚讗; 讟讜诇讗 讚驻专讞讗, shade of 驻专讞讗. Now, what's 驻专讞讗? So, Rashi says, 爪诇祝. You know 爪诇祝? What is it? Caper bush. Caper bush, we always ask, yeah? I don't know, 拽谞讚讗, Rashi doesn't even say. It's just 砖谞讙讬诇讜状谉. A lote tree. What? L-O-T-E. That's what it says here? I don't know. Rashi says, name of a tree. Okay. 讟讜诇讗 讚讝讙讝住讛, the shade of a 讝讙讝住讛. It's also, Rashi says it's a 砖讜谞爪讛讬讬状专. You know that? A sorb tree. What? S-O-R-B. Okay, vayter. 讗讬讻讗 讚讗诪专讬, some say, 讗祝 讟讜诇讗 讚讗专讘讗, also the the shade of a ship, 讜讟讜诇讗 讚讗专讘转讗, and the shade of an 注专讘讛, of an 注专讘讛 tree, an 注专讘讛 branch. 讻诇诇讗 讚诪讬诇转讗, the rule is like this: 讻诇 讚谞驻讬砖 注谞驻讬讛, the more branches, a lot of branches, 拽砖讬 讟讜诇讬讛, the shade is worse. In other words, if a lot of branches, it's more shayach that the shedim should be there, because they have more place to hide. 讜讻诇 讚拽砖讬 住讬诇讜讬讛, whatever is the the the tree itself is harder, 拽砖讬 讟讜诇讬讛, also the shade is worse. Wood of the tree, the tree itself is a strong tree. 诇讘专 诪拽专讜诪讬砖讗, besides the tree 拽专讜诪讬砖讗. 讗祝 注诇 讙讘 讚拽砖讬 住讬诇讜讬讛, even though it's a hard tree, 诇讗 拽砖讬 讟讜诇讬讛, the shade is not so bad. Why? Because, huh? Thorns. That is harmful. 讚讗诪专讛 诇讬讛 砖讬讚讛 诇讘专讛, because a 砖讬讚讛 once said to her son, 驻专讞讬 谞驻砖讬讱 诪拽专讜诪讬砖讗, stay away, fly away, go away from this tree, don't stay by this tree, 拽专讜诪讬砖讗. Why? 讚讛讜讗 讚拽讟诇 讗讘讜讱, cause he killed your father, 讜拽讟诇 诇讚讬讚讬讛, and he killed himself. The tree killed... Yeah. So, this is a bad tree, so the shedim stay away from this tree, memeila, this tree, if they stay away, we could stay. We could stay, we could go there? We could go there. That's what he says! All the said, all the shades are bad, except the shade of 拽专讜诪讬砖讗. The enemy the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? 讗诪专 专讘 讗砖讬, 专讘 讗砖讬 said: 讞讝讬谞讗 诇讬讛 诇专讘 讻讛谞讗, I saw that 专讘 讻讛谞讗 讚驻专讬砖 诪讻讜诇讛讜 讻讜诇讛讜 讟讜诇讬. He stayed away from any shade, he didn't stay by shade at all. Even these that it seems like are not so bad, he wanted to be on the safe side, stayed away. 讝讗讙讟 讚讬 Gemara 讜讜讬讬讟注专: 讚讘讬 驻专讞讗, by the tree of 讚讘讬 驻专讞讗, 专讜讞讬. The shedim that go to this tree are called 专讜讞讬. 讚讘讬 讝专讚转讗, those are those the the shedim that are there by the 讝专讚转讗, 砖讬讚讗. Their name is 砖讬讚讗. This is name 驻专讞讗 专讜讞讬, this is 砖讬讚讗. 讚讘讬 讗讬讙专讬, those are those that are in the the place of 讗讬讙专讬, are called 专讬砖驻讬. 驻专注讙讟 讚讬 Gemara: 诪讗讬 谞驻拽讗 诪讬谞讛? Who cares what the name is? The Gemara answers: 诇拽诪讬注. If you go to somebody, a tzadik, to write a 拽诪讬注, so in order the 拽诪讬注 should protect you, you have to write the name of the problem. So you have to know which 砖讚讬诐. So if he says, \"I went to this and this place,\" so you have to know what 砖讚讬诐 are there in order to write the 拽诪讬注. And they're different from 诪诇讗讻讬诐 cause they understand Aramaic, right? You say that 诪诇讗讻讬诐 don't understand... Could be. Then you have like the 讚讘讬 驻专讞讗, the 诪诇讗讱 the 诪诇讗讱 the 砖讚讬诐 of called 讚讘讬 驻专讞讗, 讘专讬讛 砖讗讬谉 诇讜 注讬谞讬讬诐. This is a kind of creature has no eyes. So 诪讗讬 谞驻拽讗 诪讬谞讛? What difference is, has eyes or not? 诇诪讬讙讝讗 诇讬讛, to run away from it. You don't have to run away from it, right, because it won't see you, so you could be there. Doesn't 诇诪讬讙讝讗 say to chop it down? No, no. Not here, it doesn't mean that. 讝讬诪谞讗 讞讚讗, one time,
讛讜讛 讗讝讬诇 爪讜专讘讗 诪专讘谞谉 诇讗驻谞讜讬讬 诇讚讘讬 驻专讞讗. Once, one of the 转诇诪讬讚讬 讞讻诪讬诐 went to do, as they say, his needs, by this 讚讘讬 驻专讞讗. 砖诪注 讚拽讗转讬 注讬诇讜讬讛, so he heard the 砖讚 coming. 讜讙讝讗 诇讬讛, so he ran away. 讻讬 讗讝诇讗, it was running after him, 讞讘讟讬讛 诇讚讬拽诇讗, banged into a 讚拽诇讗. 爪讜讜讞 讚讬拽诇讗, so the 讚拽诇讗 screamed, 讜驻拽注 讛讬讗 驻专讞讗, and the 驻专讞讗 驻诇讗爪讟. So some say the 驻砖讟 is the tree 驻诇讗爪讟, or the 驻专讞讗 驻诇讗爪讟, cause it can't see, so it crashed into the tree. Blind blind demon. Yeah. Kaput. Okay, we'll stop here. 住讬诪谉 讟讜讘. 住讬诪谉 讟讜讘, yeah. Well, we said that 驻专讞讗 got this got 驻诇讗爪讟, that's good. What is so important of