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PESACH

Mechiras Chometz According to the Alter Rebbe

Part of Pesach · 33:35

A shiur for Yeshiva Gedolah of Miami on the sale of chometz: how it developed beyond the Gemara's bedikah and bittul, concerns that it looks like a ruse, the role of the contract, deposit and arev kablan, selling through the Rav as agent, the per-person prutah question, and modern tax issues.

Audio Transcript
  1. Introduction and audience
  2. Rabbinic requirement of both nullification and destruction
  3. Selling with intention to repurchase after Pesach
  4. Concerns about the transaction looking like a ruse
  5. Role of the written contract (shtr) in the sale
  6. Modern issues: taxes and governmental view
  7. Sale to Gentile and Sales Tax Issue
  8. Selling Chametz via the Rabbi as Agent
  9. Deposit Issue and Need for Per鈥慞erson Pruta
  10. Definition and Role of an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉
  11. Reasons for Selling: Business vs Money Need
  12. Gemara on Partial Payment and Required Deed
  13. Why the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 Wants Chametz Preserved
The 砖讬注讜专 is going to be for the 转诇诪讬讚讬诐 of 讬砖讬讘讛 讙讚讜诇讛 of Miami, but it's also for anybody else who wants to join. It's going to be about 注谞讬谉 of 诪讻讬专转 讞诪抓. What we're going to discuss is the 注谞讬谉 of some some of the details regarding 诪讻讬专转 讞诪抓, what it is and how we do, but not all the details, obviously. A lot of things we will not mention. We're just going to go through many general ideas. First, we're going to talk about the 住讚专 讛砖转诇砖诇讜转 讛讚讘专讬诐, how it all started and where does this all come from. Because in the 讙诪专讗 we don't find that. In the 讙诪专讗 we find just two things: 讘讚讬拽讛 and 讘讬讟讜诇, as I'll explain in a moment, and 诪讻讬专转 讞诪抓 became, as I'll explain later further on, it became many, many generations later. We know that 讞诪抓 is the only 讗讬住讜专, besides 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛, that 讗住讜专 讘讘诇 讬专讗讛 讜讘诇 讬诪爪讗, which means you can't own 讞诪抓 on 驻住讞. The way to not have 讞诪抓 on 驻住讞, the 转讜专讛 gave us two options. The 转讜专讛, this is 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗: you could or do 讘讬注讜专, destroy it, which means you gotta do 讘讚讬拽讛, look for it, find it, and destroy it so you have no 讞诪抓 on 驻住讞. Or you could do 讘讬讟讜诇, you could 诪讘讟诇 it, which is a 诪讞诇讜拽转 专砖状讬 and 转讜住驻讜转, how does 讘讬讟讜诇 work? According to 专砖状讬, 讘讬讟讜诇 works because that's 转砖讘讬转讜, that's a mental 转砖讘讬转讜, mental destruction. According to 转讜住驻讜转, it's 讛驻拽专, you 诪驻拽讬专 it. But that's the way to do it. So, if a person is 诪讘讟诇 讞诪抓, which nowadays to say 讻诇 讞诪讬专讗, then the 讞诪抓 is not yours on 驻住讞. And the 转讜专讛 says that you're only 注讜讘专 on 讞诪抓, 讘诇 讬专讗讛 讜讘诇 讬诪爪讗 if it's yours. But you 诪讘讟诇 it, it's not yours or it's not doesn't exist mentally, doesn't it's not there, whichever way, 讘驻讜注诇, this is one of the ways to get rid of 讘诇 讬专讗讛 讜讘诇 讬诪爪讗. But the 专讘谞谉 said that it's not enough, you gotta do both, not enough to do just one. 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗, the 讙诪专讗 uses the 诇砖讜谉 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗, 讘讘讬讟讜诇 讘注诇诪讗 住讙讬. You could just be 讬讜爪讗 with 讘讬讟讜诇 and that's it. You could have 讞诪抓 all around, but you 诪讘讟诇 it, you're not 注讜讘专 讘诇 讬专讗讛 讜讘诇 讬诪爪讗. And the 注谞讬谉 of 讘讚讬拽讛 is only 诪讚专讘谞谉, 专讘谞谉 讛讜爪专讻讜 诇讘讚讬拽讛. The 专讘谞谉 said that you have to look for it, find it, and destroy it, but 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗, you could do either one. But the 专讘谞谉 said no, you must be 诪讘讟诇 it, you also must destroy it. And the 讙诪专讗 and the 诪驻专砖讬诐, the 驻讜住拽讬诐 go into the reason why the 讞讻诪讬诐 said both things. But that's the way, the only way to get 讘讬讟讜诇, get rid of the 讞诪抓. What happens if you have a lot of 讞诪抓? A lot of 讞诪抓 before 驻住讞. So the 注爪讛 was to sell it to a 讙讜讬. Like the 讙诪专讗 says in the 诪砖谞讛, 诪砖谞讛 says in the second 驻专拽, 讻诇 砖注讛 砖诪讜转专 诇讗讻讜诇, as long as you're allowed to eat it, 诪讜讻专 诇谞讻专讬, you're allowed to sell it to a 讙讜讬. And the 讙诪专讗 says that what does that mean? As long as you're allowed to have 讛谞讗讛 from it, you could still sell it to a 讙讜讬. And if you sell it to a 讙讜讬, fine, you can sell all your 讞诪抓 to a 讙讜讬, so you don't lose any money. Actually, the 讙诪专讗 in 驻住讞讬诐 讚祝 讻状讗 注诪讜讚 讗壮, the 讙诪专讗 brings a story that there was a person who had 讞诪抓 that belonged to somebody else, and 讞诪抓 驻住讞 was coming, the guy didn't come to pick it up. So when it came to the fifth hour, so I think it was 专讘讬 said go out and sell it, sell it to in the street, sell it to the 讙讜讬诐 and then you'll have the money and you'll save the person the loss of the 讞诪抓, because otherwise he'll have to destroy it. But this is really when you sell it, you sell it completely and that's they sold, that's no 砖讗诇讛. But we also find that there is a concept of selling the 讞诪抓 even though you have in mind to to get it back after 驻住讞. So base basically that 转讜住驻转讗, 转讜住驻转讗 in 驻住讞讬诐 驻专拽 讘壮 讛诇讻讛 讜壮, which is also brought down in the 专讗状砖 and in 讟讜专 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱 住讬诪谉 转诪状讞 住注讬祝 讙壮, 讗诇讟注专 专讘讬 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱 also 转诪状讞 住注讬祝 讜壮. They bring bring, this not exactly the 诇砖讜谉, but the way it's written in 转讜住驻转讗 is like this: 讬砖专讗诇 讜讙讜讬 砖讛讬讜 讘讗讬谉 讘住驻讬谞讛, there was a 讗讬讚 and a 讙讜讬 who were going on a ship and 驻住讞 is coming, and the ships trips used to take weeks, months. And if 驻住讞 is coming, you got to get rid of all your 讞诪抓. So what are you going to do after 驻住讞? You're going to need 讞诪抓 again, what are you going to do? So the 转讜住驻转讗 says that 诪讜讻专讜 诇谞讻专讬 讗讜 谞讜转谞讜 诇讜 讘诪转谞讛, you could sell it to a 讙讜讬 or give it away to a 讙讜讬 as a present, and then after 驻住讞 you'll buy it back from him. And he says as long as you really give it to him, it's not just something that you're doing for a game, but you really have to give it to him as a real 诪转谞讛, then you could give it to him 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 with the intentions of buying back. This seems to be only like a special unusual case, if you're going on a ship, not a 住讚专 讛专讙讬诇. But we find also another 讚讬谉 there, it says like this: 专砖讗讬 讬砖专讗诇 诇讜诪专 诇谞讻专讬, a 讗讬讚 is allowed to say to a 讙讜讬, when you're buying your 讞诪抓, you want to buy 讞诪抓 worth a hundred dollars, a 诪谞讛, buy for 200, and I'm telling you, after 驻住讞, I'm going to buy it from you. And the 专讘讬谞讜 诪谞讜讞 on the 专诪讘状诐 explains that the case is that a person was going on a trip 注专讘 驻住讞, and he wanted to take food that should be for after 驻住讞, but he can't have 讞诪抓 on 驻住讞. So, this is what you do. You tell the 讙讜讬, \"You buy a lot of 讞诪抓, more than you need, and I promise you after\" Pesach, I'll buy it from you. So it's the same idea that you're allowed to do that after Pesach. And the 讞转诐 住讜驻专 says there is no problem, because you're really selling it, and you could tell him 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 that you are selling him the 讞诪抓 now, but you're promising him that you're going to take it back after Pesach. Now, the 专讗状砖, when he quotes the 转讜住驻转讗, he says, maybe 砖诪讗 I maybe I'll buy back after Pesach, but the 讘状讞 brings the 讗讙讜讚讛, which doesn't 讙专住 the word 砖诪讗, and he's saying clearly, \"I'm telling you I'm going to buy back the 讞诪抓 after Pesach.\" Now, even though it seems like this is a also a case when you are going in a ship, that it's basically that it's a 砖注转 讛讚讞拽, you have no choice, but it's not it's not that. The reason they mention it because that's the simple case that it's possible for this to happen, but not that this is a 讚讬讜拽 and only in such a case. And therefore, the 讟讜专 in 住讬诪谉 转诪状讞 brings the 讚讬谉 without the 讛拽讚诪讛 of the ship. And the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 does it the same thing there, which what you mentioned before, in in 住讬诪谉 转诪状讞, he brings also the same 讚讬谉 without mentioning the idea of a ship. Now, the question is that how is he 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓? How is he 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓? So, one of the things is that that we're going to explain in a moment how we're 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓, but 讘讗诪转 the 专讬讟讘状讗 says, 讜讘诇讘讚 砖诇讗 讬注专讬诐, the 专讬讟讘状讗 says it's only if you don't make a 讛注专诪讛 here, and the 专讘讬谞讜 讬专讜讞诐 says that, because that's what they 讙专住 in the 转讜住驻转讗, the 转讜住驻转讗's meaning is that it's only if you do it once, to do it every year, a 住讚专 like that, you're not allowed to. 讗讚专讘讛, he says, you would 拽谞住 a person for doing that. But the 讘讬转 讬讜住祝 asks, and the 讘讬转 讬讜住祝 holds that you could do it every year, and he says probably what they meant is that you can't sell it 注诇 转谞讗讬, you can't sell it on condition that I'll buy it back, that you cannot do, but to sell it as a 诪讻讬专讛 讙诪讜专讛 and then you tell him I'm going to buy it back, that's okay. And actually, the 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉, he made it he made this 诪转拽谉 this, and in 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱 讗讜专讞 讞讬讬诐 住讬诪谉 in 转诪状讞 住注讬祝 讙 it says you're allowed to do it, and that's what the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 also 驻住拽'谞讟. And actually that's what people did for many years. From the years of, you say, from 专状砖 till 转拽状谉, this is what they would do. If a person had a lot of 讞诪抓, he would sell it to a 讙讜讬, or give it to a 讙讜讬 as a present, and then after Pesach would buy it back, so there was no loss, he had the 讞诪抓. So this started the idea of selling the 讞诪抓 with the idea of buying it back. But there's another problem here. The 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱, it says that you have to take the 讞诪抓 out of your 专砖讜转. If you're selling him the 讞诪抓, you have to take it out of the 专砖讜转, that's what the 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉 writes. And what's the reason 讘驻砖讟讜转? Because if you're going to keep the 讞诪抓 of the 讙讜讬 in your house, you get into a lot of 砖讗诇讜转. There are 砖讗诇讜转 if you have a 讙讜讬's 讞诪抓 in your house, if it's called with 讗讞专讬讜转 or without 讗讞专讬讜转, and if you're 诪拽讘诇 讗讞专讬讜转, you're 注讜讘专 讘诇 讬专讗讛 讜讘诇 讬诪爪讗. 诪诪讬诇讗 the 注爪讛 is take it out and it's not in your 专砖讜转, so you have no 砖讗诇讜转, and you're going to get it back, you're going to buy it back. And the truth is if the 讙讜讬 doesn't want to sell it back, it's too bad, you can't do anything about it, because you really sold it to him. But what would be if a person has a lot of 讞诪抓? So you can't take it out of your house and give it to him and then you'll buy it back and bring it back. That all started when the 讗讬讚谉 started going into the brewery business of making beer, making 诪砖拽讛, which is all 讞诪抓, and they had storages full of that. So what are they going to do when comes Pesach? They're going to sell it to the 讙讜讬, let's say, but the 讙讜讬 has to take it out, we said, from from your 专砖讜转. How can he take it out, all this from your 专砖讜转? So the 讘状讞 was the one that dealt with it, and he said, \"You know what? When you sell him the 诪砖拽讛, which is the 讞诪抓, sell him the 诪拽讜诐 also that the place becomes his. 诪诪讬诇讗 it's actually laying in his 专砖讜转.\" And actually, the 讟状讝 and the 诪讙谉 讗讘专讛诐 write, the 讟状讝 writes that 讘讗诪转 you don't even have to sell it to him, you could 讬讬讞讚 诇讜 讘讬转, so if you make especially, you give him away, you tell him, \"This and this corner is yours, this and this room is yours for yours,\" that's called the 专砖讜转 of the 讙讜讬 and you're allowed to, that's what the 讙诪专讗 says in 驻住讞讬诐 讚祝 讜壮 注诪讜讚 讗壮. And when it says in other 驻讜住拽讬诐 that you should take it out, it means you can't leave it in your house, but if you give him a corner, then you're allowed to do it, that's what they learn, then you're allowed to do it. Okay. But the problem is that you have to have the 讙讜讬 pay for it. Where are you going to find a 讙讜讬 that's going to pay for all the 讞诪抓, knowing that he's going to have to sell it back? Not he's going to have to, but he knows that's what's going to happen. So where do you have a 讙讜讬 that's going to pay for all this 讞诪抓? Because in order to sell it you have to get all the money from him. So how is it going to work? So that's what he made that the 讙讜讬 only gives a little bit, and that's only a deposit. So let's say you sell it to him for a thousand dollars, he gives you a deposit of twenty dollars, and the rest, we'll see, he owes you. So really a 讙讜讬 would do that, he would just give you a deposit. Now, if he gives you a deposit, And that's how he's 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓. But how is he 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓? Which 拽谞讬谉 is he making to be 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓? Now normally, you could be 拽讜谞讛 讘诪砖讬讻讛, you'd be 拽讜谞讛 讘讛讙讘讛讛, there are certain things you could do, but here the 讞诪抓 is is big, and how is he 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓? So he's 拽讜谞讛 with the money that he's paying you. But we know that 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉, you cannot be 拽讜谞讛 with 讻住祝. But that's not so 驻砖讜讟 诇讙讘讬 a 讙讜讬. There's a 诪讞诇讜拽转 whether between 专砖状讬 and 专讘讬谞讜 转诐, whether a 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 with 讻住祝 or not. A 讬讬讚 is not 拽讜谞讛 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 with 讻住祝. 诪讞诇讜拽转 专讘讬 讬讜讞谞谉 and and 专讬砖 诇拽讬砖 if it's 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 or 诪讚专讘谞谉, but 诇诪注砖讛, a 讙讜讬 a 讬讬讚 cannot be 拽讜谞讛 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 with 讻住祝, only 拽专拽注 you're 拽讜谞讛 with 讻住祝, 砖讟专 讜讞讝拽讛. But a 讬讬讚 is not 拽讜谞讛 讻住祝 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 with 讻住祝, but a 讙讜讬, there is a 住讘专讗 that the 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛. Now, even if you hold that the 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛 with 诪砖讬讻讛, some hold that only with 诪砖讬讻讛 a 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛, when he pulls it, not with 讻住祝, but if you can't do 诪砖讬讻讛, let's say it's a case you can't, like we're talking about now, so some of the 讗讞专讜谞讬诐 write that everyone agrees that 讻住祝 helps. But for sure there is a 诪讗谉 讚讗诪专 that says that if 诪砖讬讻讛 is 拽讜谞讛 by a 讬讬讚 诪谉 讛转讜专讛, whatever it is, a 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛 with 讻住祝. Another thing, there's a a 住讘专讗, and it's accepted, that if you make a condition with the 讙讜讬 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 that you're 诪拽谞讛 to him the 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 because he should be 拽讜谞讛 it with 讻住祝, many many hold that this 拽谞讬谉 讻住祝 helps by the 讙讜讬 also. Now, the way the 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉 writes that you sell it to him, he says the 诇砖讜谉 that you sell it to him 讘讚讘专 诪讜注讟. You sell it for a little bit. From the 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉 it's 诪砖诪注 that you don't even have to give a deposit. He gives you a little bit of money and with that he is 拽讜谞讛. But many other 驻讜住拽讬诐 hold that this is looks like a 讛注专诪讛, it looks like it's cheap, looks like you're just making it joke-like. So therefore, you have to pay the whole full money. But how do you pay the whole money? He's not going to give you the whole money, so he gives you a deposit, and on the rest, he says, \"I owe you the money. The rest, I owe you. Later on, when I get this I get the 住讞讜专讛 of this, I will pay you.\" That's how, that's what they used to do. Now, in addition to that, to selling to the 讙讜讬 with the 讻住祝 that he pays the money for the 讞诪抓 and he gives you a deposit for the rest, we also make a document with the 讙讜讬. What's the purpose of that document? Because it looks like a 讛注专诪讛. 住讜祝 讻诇 住讜祝, it looks like he's paying a drop, a little bit, and then he doesn't give you the rest of the money, so the whole thing looks like it's a joke. So even though he's 拽讜谞讛 them in 讛诇讻讛, but in order it shouldn't look like a 讛注专诪讛, look like a joke, so therefore they said write a 砖讟专 also. Now we know 砖讟专 is not 拽讜谞讛 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉, so the 砖讟专 doesn't work for the 拽谞讬谉, but nevertheless, there are a few reasons why they made it that it should be also with a 砖讟专. Three reasons. Number one, it shouldn't look like a joke, that's number one. And number two, as we're going to explain soon, or as we mentioned before, that you're also giving him the place, giving him the place where the 讞诪抓 is laying, or renting him the place as we do now that where the 讞诪抓 is laying, and that's one of the ways that he's 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓 also, that since you're renting him or giving him the 拽专拽注, the land, the place, there's a 讚讬谉 of 拽谞讬谉 讗讙讘, that a person wants to be 拽讜谞讛 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 together with 拽专拽注, make a 拽谞讬谉 on the 拽专拽注, automatically the 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 becomes his. So here also, if you're renting him or selling him the 拽专拽注, the 诪拽讜诐 on which the 讞诪抓 is laying, 讗讙讘 讝讛 is 拽讜谞讛 that. And for the 拽专拽注, a 砖讟专 helps, so that's one of the reasons also why we give a 砖讟专, because you want that the 砖讟专 should work for the 拽专拽注 讻讚讬 in order to help the 拽谞讬谉 of the So we give the 拽专拽注, selling him or renting him the 拽专拽注 for two reasons: number one, because we want that it should not be in our 专砖讜转, the 讞诪抓 should be in his 专砖讜转, and also we use this as another 拽谞讬谉 to be 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓, that he's 拽讜谞讛 the 讞诪抓 讗讙讘 the 拽专拽注, that's the 讚讬谉 that you're 拽讜谞讛 it. So that's the reason. And the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 讟讗拽注 writes that you in the 砖讜诇讞谉 注专讜讱, he writes in 转诪状讞 住注讬祝 讬状讘, you should write a 砖讟专 诪讻讬专讛, in other words, you sell it, and he says 砖讗讬谉 讛谞讻专讬 拽讜谞讛 拽专拽注 诇讗 讘讻住祝 讘诇讘讚 讜诇讗 讘讞讝拽讛 讗诇讗 讘砖讟专 注诐 讛讻住祝. The 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 says a 讙讜讬 is 拽讜谞讛 the even 拽专拽注 he's 拽讜谞讛 with a 砖讟专 and 讻住祝. So we write the 砖讟专 to help the 拽专拽注, and 诪诪讬诇讗 we're 拽讜谞讛 the 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉 讗讙讘 拽专拽注. So we write the 砖讟专, like we said, for these two reasons: number one, it shouldn't look 讞讜讻讗 讜讟诇讜诇讗, it makes it more official, so 诪诪讬诇讗 we know it's a real 拽谞讬谉; also, we said because this is a way to be 拽讜谞讛 the 拽专拽注; and the third thing, because legally a 砖讟专 makes a 拽谞讬谉, and there is such a thing as a 拽谞讬谉 that's legally. Not, there are certain 拽谞讬谞讬诐 which we know, we find in the 驻讜住拽讬诐 that it's not a 拽谞讬谉 of the 转讜专讛, but nevertheless, if people make up that by doing this there's a 拽谞讬谉, that makes a 拽谞讬谉. 诇诪砖诇, there is a 拽谞讬谉 of a handshake called a 转拽讬注转 讻祝. Where do we find in the 转讜专讛 a handshake? A 转拽讬注转 讻祝 as a 拽谞讬谉? But since that's the 诪谞讛讙 讛住讜讞专讬诐, it becomes a 拽谞讬谉. Called 住讬讟讜诪转讗, there's a 拽谞讬谉 in they used to make another thing they used to have, if they made a 住讬诪谉 on a barrel, that was a 拽谞讬谉. And we find nowadays also there are certain 拽谞讬谞讬诐 that are made, they say I think in the diamond district that if you make a deal and you give a handshake, I think, and you say 讘专讻讛 讜讛爪诇讞讛 or something like that, that's a 拽谞讬谉 and you are obligated to do to keep it. Whatever, I don't know exactly, but there are 拽谞讬谞讬诐 which we know 注诇 驻讬 讛诇讻讛 that are 拽谞讬谞讬诐 that the 注讜诇诐 made. So since 注诇 驻讬 legally the 砖讟专 is a 拽谞讬谉, 诪诪讬诇讗 you give a 砖讟专. That's for another the reason to give a 砖讟专. And this is how they used to do for many years. Many years the had a lot of 讞诪抓, so what they used to do, they used to give the 砖讟专, they used to get the 讻住祝, they used to everything that we said before. Every individual did it. Every individual had a 砖讟专 and had a deal with a 讙讜讬 and did all this things with a 讙讜讬. And the son of the 谞讜讚注 讘讬讛讜讚讛 in the 住驻专 砖讬讘转 爪讬讜谉 writes this thing that you sell the 讞诪抓 to a 讙讜讬 and you sell him by him paying for it. How is he paying for it? He's giving you a deposit of whatever amount he gives and the rest he owes you, that's the 诇砖讜谉 you write. 讛砖讗专 讝拽祝 注诇讬讜 讘诪诇讜讛, he owes the rest. And that's 住讬讬 for the 讞诪抓 and 住讬讬 for the 拽专拽注. He gives you a down payment for the 拽专拽注 also, for the place that he's renting, and everything seems to be good. The 讞诪抓 is not in the 专砖讜转 of a 讬讬讚 because he rented or bought bought the 拽专拽注, the the the 诪讟诇讟诇讬谉, the 讞诪抓 he's 拽讜谞讛 it through 讻住祝 that he's giving, as we said, and also through the 讗讙讘 拽专拽注, 诪诪讬诇讗 everything is fine. So then that's So we have this. But there are others that hold that there is really this is not such good 拽谞讬谞讬诐, but the reason it works, I'll give an example the 驻谞讬 讬讛讜砖注 writes, that since we said before and we know that 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 讘讘讬讟讜诇 讘注诇诪讗 住讙讬, that 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 讘讬讟讜诇 works, 讗诇讗 诪讗讬 why do we want to get rid of it is because 诪讚专讘谞谉, so it's only 讗讬住讜专 讚专讘谞谉. Basically the fact we want to get it out of the house and we want to get rid of it is a 讚讬谉 讚专讘谞谉, cuz 诪讚讗讜专讬讬转讗 you're 驻讟讜专. For a 讚讬谉 讚专讘谞谉 we're 诪讬拽诇 to small 拽谞讬谞讬诐 even though the 拽谞讬谉 拽谞讬谞讬诐 are not so so strong. But the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 in 讛诇讻讜转 诪讻讬专转 讞诪抓 writes that you can't say that selling the 讞诪抓 is not for the 讞诪抓 that you're 诪讘讟诇, because you're not 诪讘讟诇. The 讞诪抓 you're selling, you're not 诪讘讟诇, 讜讛讗 专讗讬讛 you're planning to buy it back after 驻住讞, so you're not 诪讘讟诇 it. So you can't say that's the reason why it's a 拽谞讬谉. It really must be a real 拽谞讬谉. Actually, the 讞转诐 住讜驻专 even writes that how could you say that the 讞诪抓 that you're selling you're 诪讘讟诇? If you're 诪讘讟诇 it, how could you sell it? And if you're selling it, how can you be 诪讘讟诇 it? And you can't say, he says, it's a big 讚讜讞拽 to say, it's 讗讬谉 讛讚注转 住讜讘诇转, it doesn't make sense to say that first you sell it before you 诪讘讟诇 it and then you're 诪讘讟诇 it, and then the 诪讻讬专讛 is 讞诇, because the 诪讻讬专讛 is only 讞诇 what they say because you're 诪讘讟诇, but you weren't 诪讘讟诇 yet. But how could you sell it? So first you sell it, then you're 诪讘讟诇 it, and after you 诪讘讟诇 it, the sale is 讞诇. It's It's 讗 诪讗讚谞注 讝讗讱. So 注诇 讻诇 驻谞讬诐, the bottom line is these are real 拽谞讬谞讬诐 and the 拽谞讬谞讬诐 make it that the 讞诪抓 is 讟讗拽注 sold and the place is 讟讗拽注 sold, or the way we do now, we rent it, that and that's why the 讞诪抓 works. But there were some that had problems with this. Why? Because if it's a real sale, you have to pay sales tax. And actually there were some in a certain country that some came and were 诪讜住专 to the government that the 讬讬讚谉 are selling a lot of things and selling 讙讗谞爪注 stores and 讙讗谞爪注 storages of 诪砖拽讛 and things like that and they and they don't pay sales tax. So the king answered that it's not really a sale, it's only a no, a a a religious act, 诪诪讬诇讗 they don't have to pay taxes. So came certain 专讘谞讬诐 like the 专' 讘专讜讱 驻专注谞拽诇 and he said, ha, so we see clearly it's not a real sale, that even the government assumed that it's not a real sale, that's why you didn't have to pay tax. But the 讞转诐 住讜驻专 writes writes it's not a problem. The bottom line is that the 砖讟专 is a 讻砖专 砖讟专. The bottom line is that it's a real sale even according to the government, 讚讬谞讗 讚诪诇讻讜转讗. 讗诇讗 诪讗讬, he knows they're going to buy it back. But what 讟讗拽注 happened if the 讙讜讬 doesn't want to sell it back or the or the 讬讬讚 doesn't want to come and buy it back? The sale will be a sale and you will have to pay sales tax. So it's not the 驻砖讟 you don't pay because it's not, cuz they know you're going to buy it back, so it's only a short while that it's sold. Not because the sale is not a sale. 诪诪讬诇讗 that that answers that. Then you have other 讝讬讬讟讬讙注 small 砖讗诇讜转: If you sell everything and you sell your 讻诇讬诐, so the 讻诇讬诐 belong to a 讙讜讬, why shouldn't you have to 讟讜讘诇 your 讻诇讬诐 after you buy it back after 驻住讞? So therefore, the 谞讜讚注 讘讬讛讜讚讛 and the 讞转诐 住讜驻专 write that you should not sell the 讻诇讬诐. You should sell the 讞诪抓 on the 讻诇讬诐, but not the 讻诇讬诐. And the 砖注专 讛讻讜诇诇 says that that's 驻砖讟 in the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬'住 诇砖讜谉 in the 砖讟专 诪讻讬专讛. And the 专讘讬 said, 讘诪讞讬诇转 讻讘讜讚 of my 讝讬讬讚注, the 砖注专 讛讻讜诇诇 is the 专讘讬'住 讝讬讬讚注, he said, but that's not the 驻砖讟 in the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬. The 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 says that you do sell the 讻诇讬诐. 讗讬讬, the 砖讗诇讛 is if you sell the 讻诇讬诐, so why don't you have to 讟讜讘诇 it? So the 专讘讬 is 诪讞讚砖 a 讞讬讚讜砖 谞驻诇讗 that the 注谞讬谉 of 讟讘讬诇转 讻诇讬诐 is connected to the potential, since it belonged to a 讙讜讬, you had potential Of being 讘讜诇注, of absorbing 讟专祝 讗讬住讜专 in the 讻诇讬诐, that's why you have to 讟讜讘诇 it. Brings a 专讗讬讛 from a 专砖\"讬. So 诇驻讬 讝讛, the Rebbe says, in the case where he never got the 讞诪抓 and it was in your house still, even though 讛诇讻讛'讚讬拽 it belonged in his 专砖讜转, or laying in his 专砖讜转, but 诇诪注砖讛 诇驻讜注诇 it was no potential, and therefore you don't have to 讟讜讘诇 it. So 诪诪讬诇讗 according to us, we don't have to 讟讜讘诇 it. And that's how the Rebbe learns and that's how the Rebbe 驻住拽谞讟. And the 诇砖讜谉 of the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 is actually 诪砖诪注 like that, that it is because of you are selling, you are selling the 讻诇讬 also from the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, the way he says in 诇砖讜谉 砖诇 砖讟专 诪讻讬专讛. And again, this is the way everyone did his own 诪讻讬专讛. But since a lot of complications here, a lot of details that you have to know, not every 讗讬讚 knew what to do. So what they did was they made that you should sell it to the 专讘. All the 讗讬讚谉 from the city will sell it to the 专讘, and the 专讘 knows what he's doing, and then the 专讘 is going to sell it all to the 讙讜讬. And actually, the 专讘讬讬诐 by us still did it. The Rebbe, all the 专讘讬讬诐, they sold it to the 专讘. They didn't sell it, they sold it to the 专讘 himself. But by others, what happened was they changed it that you sign a document or you make you tell the 专讘 that you're making him a 砖诇讬讞. So you have a 砖讟专 讛专砖讗讛, you have a 砖讟专 which you are making the 专讘 a 砖诇讬讞 to sell for you. So that's the difference. So you're not selling it to the 专讘, cuz why, 讘讗诪转 is, why should the 专讘 have that 讗讞专讬讜转? All the 讞诪抓 is sold to the 专讘. If 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐 the sale to the 讙讜讬 doesn't work, then all the 讗讬住讜专 讞诪抓 is on the 专讘's head. Why should he want to do it? But anyway, the bottom line is that you sell it to the you don't sell it to the 专讘. You give all the the way it's now done, you you sign or they write on a 砖讟专 that you are making the 专讘 a 砖诇讬讞, and the 专讘 is the 砖诇讬讞 to be able to sell for you. But there were some people who had 讟注谞讜转. The 砖讜讗诇 讜诪砖讬讘, basically 砖讗讜诇 谞讗讟谞讝讗谉, wrote that that's not good. And what's this 讟注谞讛? His 讟注谞讛 that he wrote is, actually Reb 砖诇诪讛 拽诇讜讙专 was arguing with him, the 砖讗诇讛 that he wrote was like this: number one, how could the 专讘 sign as a 砖诇讬讞 in the name of others? How could he be the 砖诇讬讞 to sign? But it's readily understood the 砖讗诇讛 is if you add the 砖讟专讜转, you have a 砖讟专 讛专砖讗讛, so a 砖讟专 讛专砖讗讛, you can make somebody a 诪讜专砖讛 called, somebody who should be able to do dealings for you and you're allowed to sign for him. But the second 砖讗诇讛 was, when you give a deposit, which is a small amount of money, and the 专讘 has so much 讞诪抓 that he's selling, worth much, much more than this, there's not a 驻专讜讟讛 for each person. If you have 1,000 people and you give the deposit is $100, you don't have a 驻专讜讟讛 for each one of the people. And in order to make a 拽谞讬谉 讻住祝, you have to have a 驻专讜讟讛 for the person that's making it. And the deposit doesn't have a 驻专讜讟讛. So the answer is, you don't need a 驻专讜讟讛 for everyone, because it's 砖讜转驻讬谉. It's one sale. So one 驻专讜讟讛 for each sale is one 驻专讜讟讛. This is all one sale. Even though the 讙诪专讗 says in 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉, that we just learned in 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉, that if you 诪拽讚砖 two 讘谞讜转, if a person someone gives 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉 to a person, two people give 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉 to a person that, \"I want, we both want to marry your two daughters,\" and one person gives the let's say, they make a 砖诇讬讞 one person and he gives the father of the two daughters a 驻专讜讟讛 to be 诪拽讚砖 both daughters for the two people, for the two sons, let's say, 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉 is not 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉. You have to have a 驻专讜讟讛 for each one. So why is here different, we say that you don't need a 驻专讜讟讛 for each one? The answer is very simple, because there it's two people. They're two girls, two daughters, so you need a 驻专讜讟讛 for each 拽讬讚讜砖讬谉. Here it's all one 诪讻讬专讛, it's all one 诪讻讬专讛 from them all. That's what it is. And besides that, 诇驻讜注诇 you say that you owe the rest of the money, so we can't only count the money that you gave. We have to count the whole money that he owes you. Now, especially according to the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, who says you have to have an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. This is what we've been going through the 砖讬讟讛 of the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, that's why you need an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. But if you have an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, just before I explained that 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 means that 诇驻讜注诇 诪诪砖 the guy got paid the whole money. Actually, if you look in the 诇砖讜谉 of the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, you write that 砖讟专 that, \"I, the 讗讬讚, got paid up to the last penny.\" And then he says how? Certain amount I got cash as a deposit, and the rest I got a document from the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 that he's responsible for the rest. What's an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉? An 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 is not a regular 注专讘. A regular 注专讘 means a guarantor. I lend somebody money and 专讗讜讘谉 lends 砖诪注讜谉 money, and then 诇讜讬 guarantees the money. What is the 驻砖讟? That I go to 砖诪注讜谉 to ask for the money to be paid. If 砖诪注讜谉 doesn't have the money to pay or doesn't want to pay, then I can go to 诇讜讬. 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 means I can go 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 to the 注专讘. 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 is he takes it upon himself that he's going to pay. So if 专讗讜讘谉 lends 砖诪注讜谉 money and 诇讜讬 is an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, I go 诇讻转讞讬诇讛 to 诇讜讬 and say, \"You pay me.\" So basically, I have this connection to the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. So the The 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 says that in order for this 拽谞讬谉 to work, you ought to have an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. And I'll explain soon why, but 诇驻讜注诇, if you have an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, certainly you can't say that there's less than a 驻专讜讟讛 for each one, because he got paid the whole money. So if you sell 讞诪抓, like in a big city nowadays, you sell 讞诪抓, the 讞诪抓 could be worth $100,000 for the people, a million dollars, who knows what they have there, and the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 takes responsibility, then you got paid the whole money, so you got the whole money. Now, what is the reason for the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬? Why do we need an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉? So the the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 doesn't explain why he has it, why he needs an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. He writes that he wrote a 拽讜谞讟专住 诪讬讜讞讚, a special 拽讜谞讟专住, but we don't have it. The ones that explain the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬's 砖讬讟讛 is the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬's brother, the 砖讗专讬转 讬讛讜讚讛, the 诪讛专讬状诇, and the 爪诪讞 爪讚拽. And this is what they say. They say that according to some 专讗砖讜谞讬诐, if 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, 讝拽驻谉 注诇讬讜 讘诪诇讜讛 doesn't help. In other words, if you're going to write in the 砖讟专 that I'm giving a deposit or you write that he gave me a deposit, and the rest he owes me, just like that, that will not be 拽讜谞讛 if 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, which means if the case is that the person is looking for him to get his money. If the person who sold is looking to get his money, wants 讘讚讜拽讗 his money, so the fact that I have to run around and get the money is not enough. Now, let me explain this really what this is. It means like this. When a person sells something, there are two reasons why a person sells. One, because he's in business. He's in business to sell these these things. Another way is, he needs money. Someone needs money, so he sells his objects. Now, in the first one, which means a person is in business, and it's normal 住讚专 by business is that you give on credit. So you give you sell him something, and he has 30 days to pay, 60 days to pay, whatever, that's what it is. And a person does that always, he knows. If a person sells it because he needs money, then he doesn't give him 60 days, he needs the money, so he's selling it. And if the guy's not ready to give him the money, the sale is not a sale. So so 诪诪讬诇讗 he says, they say, that the 专讬状祝 holds, this is a 专讬状祝 that was not printed in the time of the previous 驻讜住拽讬诐, and it was printed later in the 砖讬讟讛 诪拽讜讘爪转 from 讘讘讗 诪爪讬注讗, they didn't know about it. And he says that in a case where there is 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, if you sell something, and you really want the money and you're looking for the money, giving a deposit, a down payment, and the rest he owes you will not work. Now, I want to explain this. 讘讗诪转 is if you look in the 讙诪专讗, it seems in the 讙诪专讗 the opposite. The 讙诪专讗 says like this. 讙诪专讗 in 讘讘讗 诪爪讬注讗 讚祝 注状讝, the 讙诪专讗 says that 专讘谉 砖诪注讜谉 讘谉 讙诪诇讬讗诇 in one 讘专讬讬转讗 says that if you buy a field, and you pay only part of the money, you have to write a 砖讟专 that the rest is 讝拽驻谉 注诇讬讜 讘诪诇讜讛, that the rest he will owes him as a loan. Second 讘专讬讬转讗 says that you don't have to say, you don't have to write that, you just give him a down payment, and that's enough. And the 讙诪专讗 answers that if 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, the guy is looking for money, then you have to write in the 砖讟专. If he's not 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, he's not looking for the money, you don't have to write. So 诇讻讗讜专讛 it seems the opposite of what we're saying. There's 诪砖诪注 that the whole 砖讗诇讛 is, do you have to write it in the 砖讟专? But if you write it in the 砖讟专, it's good even if he's 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬. So it seems the opposite. And that's how the 专诪状讗 驻住拽谞壮住. But the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 holds, that's what the 砖讗专讬转 讬讛讜讚讛 says and the 爪诪讞 爪讚拽, that according to the 专讬状祝 and 砖讬讟讛 诪拽讜讘爪转 in 讘讘讗 诪爪讬注讗, he says that when it says 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬 it works, it's only if he's 拽讜谞讛 诪爪讚 砖讟专. But if you want to be 拽讜谞讛 诪爪讚 讻住祝, according to the 专讬状祝, if it's 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, if the guy who sells is looking for the money, it will not help. Unless he pays him the whole money, and the way you pay the whole money is if you get an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, which means that the money, as far as you guarantee, is the money is there. But otherwise it won't work. So according to the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, this won't work. The only problem is, this is a 讻诇诇 because 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬. The only problem is, why is our our case considered 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬? 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬 means the guy is selling it because he looks for money. In our case, it's just the opposite, he's not looking for money. Why is he selling the 讞诪抓? Because he wants to get rid of the 讗讬住讜专. So why is this considered 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬? Again, according to the 专讬状祝, the way it comes out from the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬, that according to the 专讬状祝, that if you sell not because of business or anything, you're selling because you need money, then you have to pay the whole thing, or give an 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, but you can't just be 讬讜爪讗 by giving a deposit and make the 拽谞讬谉. Why is in this case, and he says this case is 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬. Why is it 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬? Why is he looking for the money? He's not looking for the money, he doesn't want money. He wants to get rid of the 讞诪抓, wants to get rid of the 讗讬住讜专, that's why. So the 驻砖讟 must be that 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬 doesn't mean if you need the money or you don't need the money. The question is like this: are you in business or not? If you're in business, then you know that take takes time for him to pay. So then, you know, this is the 拽谞讬谉, this is what you do. If you're not in it for business, then you want your money. Normally when a person sells something and he's not in it for business, he's in in it because whichever reason, whether he's selling it because he wants money or he's selling it because of some other side like he wants to get rid of 讗讬住讜专. This is not a business, and if it's not a business, he's not wait he's not ready to wait. I'm I'm selling it, I want my money. And that's the reason why the 专讬状祝 holds that if it's 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽 讗讝讜讝讬, it will not work. And by 讞诪抓, this is exactly what it is. He's not looking to make money, he's not looking to sell it because he's looking for business. There's another thing here you could say, because since it's a 讙讜讬 and a 讗讬讚, he doesn't trust the 讙讜讬, the 讙讜讬 will give it. That's called 注讬讬诇 讜谞驻讬拽, I want my money right away because I don't trust the 讙讜讬. So the only 注爪讛 against it is, if you have a 讗讬讚, and the 讗讬讚 writes a document to the 专讘 in this case or to anybody who is selling the 讞诪抓, that I take I guarantee as a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 that I will pay you the rest of the money, and he makes a 拽谞讬谉 with the 专讘 or the one that's selling the 讞诪抓, so that 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 is giving it to the makes a 拽谞讬谉 with the 专讘, and he's 诪转讞讬讬讘 to the 专讘 to pay the rest, means the 专讘 got the whole thing. So in so he does the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 signs this 砖讟专 for the money, the rest of the money that he owes for the 讞诪抓, and the rest of the money he owes for the 拽专拽注, because he gives a deposit for the 讞诪抓, gives a deposit for the rental of the 拽专拽注, and he gives the 专讘 a 砖讟专 that he's taking 讗讞专讬讜转 for it in the form of a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, 诪诪讬诇讗 then he got the whole money and that's why this works. And that's what the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 needs that he said you need a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. Which automatically answers the 拽砖讬讗, the 砖讗诇转 砖诇讜诐 asked a 拽砖讬讗, that if the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 is worried that he doesn't have the whole money, what does a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 help? He doesn't understand what a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 helps. You still don't have the whole money. But then what we explained before, the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 doesn't mean that he needs the money and he doesn't have the money. The 讗诇讟专 专讘讬 learns that if you don't trust the 讙讜讬 or it's not for sale because you're looking for business, that's the nature, you want the money. And in this case if you give a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, then he trusts him and he knows that he's going to get the money. But then there is another 砖讗诇讛 that some people ask when they give the 讗诇讟专 专讘讬'住 砖讟专 诪讻讬专讛 which is the 注谞讬谉 of 注专讘 拽讘诇谉. They ask a 砖讗诇讛 that 诇讻讗讜专讛 the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉, which by the way, before I forget, I want to mention, that the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 can has to be a person that's not part of the sale. In other words, the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 has to sell 讞诪抓 someplace else where it's sold to a different 讙讜讬, because if he's an 注专讘 he can't be an 注专讘 on his own 讞诪抓. So that's that by the way. But the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 is called a 专讜爪讛 讘拽讬讜诪讜. 专讜爪讛 讘拽讬讜诪讜 means he wants it to exist. The 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 definitely wants the 讞诪抓 not to get lost. He wants the 讞诪抓 to continue existing, that 讞诪抓 not not to get lost. So on 驻住讞 he has a 专爪讜谉 讘拽讬讜诪讜 讚讞诪抓 should be there. Why does the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 want the 讞诪抓 not get lost? Very simple, because the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 knows that after 驻住讞 the way the sale is he'll have to pay. Think he has money? He doesn't have money, but he knows he has the merchandise. He has the 讞诪抓, so if it comes to him to pay, he'll go to the 讙讜讬 and he'll tell the 讙讜讬, you know, I'm paying for you, I'm paying, I took 讗讞专讬讜转, I'm paying, so then you'll have to pay me, so he takes the merchandise. That's 讘讻诇诇 the answer. Some people 讟注谞讛'谉 that, you know, oh, if you have a 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 has to be a very rich man because he's the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 for this whole money, so if there's a sale, if you sell a million dollars worth of 讞诪抓, and the guy gives a $100 deposit down payment, so the 注专讘 拽讘诇谉 has to have enough money to pay for the rest. The answer is he doesn't have to, because he has the merchandise, he takes 讗讞专讬讜转. He has the merchandise that that was sold, and he'll take that merchandise or he'll sell it, or he'll give it back to the people, whatever, but so
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