Can a Mouse Carry Chametz Into Your Clean House?
Can a Mouse Carry Chametz Into Your Clean House?
Part of Pesach
A Pesach sugya on the halachic status of chametz possibly moved by a mouse or air current, comparing regular doubt to a compounded safek sfeika, with applications to tumah in a private versus public domain.
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ืืฃ ื. Mishnah says ืืื ืืืฉืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืจืจื ืืืืื ืืืืช ืืืืช ืืืืงืื ืืืงืื. That means that when you're ืืืืง ืืืฅ, obviously you're not ืืืืง ืืืฅ the whole house at once. You're ืืืืง ืืืฅ one area, then you go to another area. When you finish ืืืืง ืืืฅ in one area, in the meantime the other area still has chametz. So maybe a mouse or some animal grabbed some chametz there, and when you've finished being ืืืืง here, it brought chametz back here. So mimela you're not finished. So the Gemara says we're not afraid of that. Okay, the Gemara gives reasons, that's not important. ืืืื? ืืื ืืืืจ ืกืืฃ. But then the Gemara explains: ืืขืื ืืื ืืืื ื ืืฉืงื. The reason we said we don't suspect that and that problem, because we didn't see any animal come and grab chametz and bring it. ืื ืืืื ื ืืฉืงื, but had the case been we finished being ืืืืง, and then we see an animal take chametz and run into the place where I was ืืืืง, then ืืฉืื ื, then we would be afraid. Ah, then it comes out that we have to recheck the whole area because new chametz came in. Then ืืขืื ืืืืงื, we have to check it. The question of the Gemara is ืืืื, why should we do it? ื ืืื ืืืืชืื. Why don't we say that probably, maybe at least, the animal ate it up? Okay, the animal brought it in, but ate it up, so there's no more chametz left. And the Gemara proves that that's what we say. ืื ืื ืชื ื, doesn't it say ืืืืจืืช ืืขืื\"ื ืืืืื? That if you
have a house where a goy lives in Eretz Yisrael, the house is tamei. A kohen is not allowed to walk into that house. ืืืื ืืฉืื ืืืืืจ ืืืื ืฆืจืื ืืืืงื? How long does the goy have to live there in order to say that you can't walk into the house unless you search it first, and then it would be tahor, otherwise it's tamei? ืืจืืขืื ืืื, 40 days. That means like this: we're afraid that the goy had, there was a baby born there, and the baby died, and they buried it some place there because they weren't careful. So if the goy lived there 40 days, so we're afraid that 40 days it takes for a fetus to develop to become something that's metamei if you're ืืคืื, you miscarry. So after 40 days that is tamei unless you search it out, and you make sure there's nothing there. Then it says weiter, ืื ืืงืื ืฉืืืืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืืื ืืืื, but any area where a ืืืืื, ืืืืื is a weasel, or a ืืืืจ walk around, ืืื ืฆืจืื ืืืืงื, you don't have to check. Why? The reason is because we assume that even if he put in a ื ืคื there, probably the animal ate it up. So we assume there is no ื ืคื there, ื ืคื means a dead fetus, and therefore it's mutar. So what do we see from here? No, no.
Rashi says that you're afraid you'll touch it. According to the others, even a goy is ืืืื ืืืื if it's under one roof. So we're afraid you'll be in the same, I thought a dead goy is not, okay, it's alright. We don't want to get into that. Okay, I'll explain. If you touch a dead goy, you're metame like a, like a Jew. So, number one, we're afraid that maybe the kohen who'll walk in there will come in contact with the dead body, with the ื ืคื. According to the Rabbanan, it's even ืืืื ืืืื, that even if you're under one roof with a goyishe body, you become ืืื. R'' Shimon holds that ืืื ืขืื\"ื ืืืื ืืืื, that a goy is only metame if you touch it, but if you're under one roof, ืืืื, not. So according to R'' Shimon, according to Chachamim I mean, we're mamash afraid here that it might be buried there and you'll be under one roof. But even according to R'' Shimon, we're still afraid, Rashi says that you might touch it. So a kohen can't touch a dead goy? No. But, so what does the Gemara say here? Because we, many people pasken like R'' Shimon that ืืืื, a goy is not metame. ืืืื. And I've heard that a, with, that a kohen touched a dead goy, it's not a dead Jew because there's no, no, that's false. There was no ืงืืืฉื though, I mean there's no, ืื ืืืขื, ืื ืืืขื ืืืืฉื, a goy is metame. There's no question about that. There's no ืฉืืื. You don't have to argue on that. You didn't buy this? You didn't buy this. Okay, but what does the Gemara say here? So we see here that in a case where there are animals, the assumption is that the animal ate it up. So how come by chametz we don't say the same thing? So
first there's one teirutz, the Gemara ืืืืง between meat and bread, and then the Gemara says a different teirutz. ืืืจ ืจืื, Rava said, you can't compare the two cases. ืืฉืืื ืืชื, in the case of the ืืืืจ, we call it ืืืืจ ืืขืื\"ื, let's refer to it, ืืืืจ ืืขืื\"ื is the house of a goy. Over there, ืืืืืจ ืืื ืืืืืจ ืื ืืื. Over there, number one, we're not even sure it was there to begin with. We don't know if there was a dead body buried. There, we suspect, so there is a safek. Maybe there was, maybe there wasn't. And ืื ืชืืฆื ืืืืจ ืืืื, and even if there was, ืืืืจ ืคืืชืืื, say maybe they dug it up. ืืื ืืื, but here in the case of the chametz, what was the case? ืืืืื ืืืื ื ืืฉืงืื, the case is where we saw it take. So chametz is here for sure. There is only one safek: maybe he ate it, maybe not. ืืื ืืืืจ ืืืืื, say who says he ate it? ืืื ืกืคืง ืืืืื, it's a safek against a vadai, and ืืื ืกืคืง ืืืฆืื ืืืื ืืืื. A safek cannot take away from a vadai. There is vadai chametz, we saw the animal bring it. There is a safek maybe the animal ate it. We don't know, so it's only one safek. But over there, it's a safek if it was there to begin with, and even if it was there, maybe they dug it up. And the Gemara goes into other cases here in the Gemara, but it's too long to explain each case, so we'll leave it as it is. Now, in this
specific case, how about crumbs? Talking about chametz moving from one place to another because of an animal, but it could move by an air conditioner inside the house? Inside the house? Yeah. Air conditioner or what? This is like, yeah, air conditioner or just movement, movement of people causes... Well, that's not common to happen, that's not... I see it with the dust bunnies moving around. Dust bunny. Chametz, talking about a loaf of bread. Could be attached to... Tiny crumb, crumbs, loaf of bread. Yeah, a loaf of bread doesn't walk. No. What if there is a certain quantity... Yeah. Slices, two slices, that's what he said. Two pieces. Huh? Two slices of bread also don't walk. Yeah. Now here in this Gemara, in this case where the Gemara makes this into safek sfeika, the Gemara says, by the case of the chametz, but in the case of the ืืืืจ ืขืืืดื, it's safek sfeika. Double safek, right? Safek if it was the animal, if it was a met over there, was the body ever there? Even if it was there, maybe they dug it up. Now
there are two ways bichlal to learn that case. Tosafos here says, and it says in all the other mefarshim, that this chashash, this safek if maybe it ate it is called a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื. ืกืคืง ืืจืืื means it's a very common thing to happen. We're not sure, we didn't see it happen, but it's ragil. I would probably use the English words: a regular safek is a possibility, 50-50 chance, a possibility. ืกืคืง ืืจืืื means it's a probability. Probably it happened. We can't say it's vadai, we're not sure it happened, but it's probable it happened. That's what Tosafot says. So there is a she'eilah, peshat in this Gemara, and let's stick to this case of the ืืืืจ ืขืืืดื. The reason the Gemara says that it's tahor if there is an animal if animals are around, is it ืืืขื ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื, or is it ืืืขื ืกืคืง ืืจืืื? What's the nafka mina? We know there's a din, there's a difference between one safek and a safek sfeika, a double safek. A lot of times we have such cases. We know that whenever there's a ืืื ืืืืจืืืชื and there's a safek, safek if this and this is asur or not, what's the din? Safeka de'oraita lechumra. If there's a safek by a din of the Torah, you go lechumra. A safek by derabbanan, you go lekula. Safeka de'oraita you go lechumra. On the other hand, if it's a safek sfeika, you go lekula. If it's a double safek, then you could go lekula. So it's possible that here is the same thing, that when we say that the reason we are allowed to walk into this ืืืืจ ืขืืืดื if there are animals around, because there's a double safek, so it has a din of a safek sfeika. Or you could say no, it's a different case than a safek sfeika, it's a different reason. It's because the safek, the second safek, which is the safek maybe he ate it, is a probable safek. And that probable safek has the power to cancel out another safek. It can't cancel out a vadai. Even if it's a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, vadai is certainly stronger than a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, as great as the ืกืคืง ืืจืืื is, but it's still only safek. But if lechatchila is only a safek, a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื is able to cancel out another safek. The other safek is a regular safek? Even another ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, yeah. No, the other one is... this is the second. But to cancel out a vadai, but a safek, a safek it could. But according to this, it's not ืืืขื ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื, it's not because there's a din of ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื. Now who cares? What's the difference if you call it a din of ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื or others? Hachiluk would be there are many ืืืืื when we say ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื. When we say a ืกืคืืง ืกืคืืงื is mutar, there are a lot of rules in Yoreh De'ah, first ืืืง, which you learn for semichah in ืกืืื ืงืดื. There's a few pages of Shach, where he has ืืืืื when we we say ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, when not. So therefore, if this case here would be the category of a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, it would have to fall under all the category, all the conditions of a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื in order to be mutar. If we'll say it's not, if we'll say the reason why it's mutar here is because the second safek is a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, it's a it's a strong safek that it could cancel out another safek, but not as because it has a din of a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. According to that, it doesn't have to fall have all the conditions of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. Now how is it here? Now on one hand, let's just look at Rashi. Rashi says here, the expression he uses, that since there's a ืกืคืง if it was ever there, so and even if it was there, you could say maybe it ate it, so he says, ืืกืคืง ืืืืื ืืืื ืืืืฆืื ืืืื ืกืคืง ืืฉืืื. The ืกืคืง that it ate it has the power to contradict to cancel out the ืกืคืง maybe the body was thrown there. So, Rashi seems to say it's a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื. On the other hand, the same Rashi in Avodah Zarah, Rashi uses the term ืืืื ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. The Ramban in Avodah Zarah uses the term it's a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. So we see it's a ืืืจ of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. The Huh? Does he mean talking about the same case? Talking about the same case. It looks like number Oh, that the two ืกืคืืงืืช, the ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื means two ืกืคืืงืืช. Number one, was it there or not? And even if it was there, maybe it was eaten. So that's the ืขื ืื of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. The It seems like this is a ืืืืืงืช between Rambam and the Raavad, because the Rambam when he brings this din says certain cases is mutar because it's ืืจืื ื anyway. So the Raavad says it's not true, the reason that it's mutar is because it's a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. So the Raavad refers to ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, the Rambam it comes out it's not ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. But anyway, the bottom line is there are two ways to learn here whether it falls under the category of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื or not. And many of the other cases by chametz, which is similar to this, when we're afraid maybe it ate it, and we're saying here that so ืืืืื is a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, we find these two ways in Alter Rebbe's Shulchan Aruch is ืืฉืืข in one place that it's because of a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื. It seems as if this is a ืืืืืงืช between the Magen Avraham and Rabbi Akiva Eiger. Because there is a din in Shulchan Aruch like this:
Shulchan Aruch says that if you saw a mouse take a piece of chametz and run into a house that's ืืืืง No, it's a It took a piece and we don't know whether it was chametz or not chametz, and it ran into the house. So, the din is you have to be ืืืืง, it's a ืกืคืง, you have to be ืืืืง, maybe it brought in chametz. Comes the Rema and adds, if the piece was very small, where it's possible that he ate it up, then you don't have to be ืืืืง. Because we have a ืกืคืง, even if he brought chametz, maybe he probably ate it up. Comes the Magen Avraham and asks a kashya. The Magen Avraham says, one of the ืืืืื of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื is that when do we ืคืกืงื ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื is mutar? If both ืกืคืืงืืช come at the same time. But if one ืกืคืง comes first and another ืกืคืง comes later, we don't say ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. Here he says that's exactly what happened. We saw the mouse grab a piece and it ran. While it's running with this piece, it's a ืกืคืง what does he have in his mouth. Then when he ran away and it went into the house, now comes a new ืกืคืง, a second, maybe he ate it, so it's not at the same time. So, how come here the Rema says that we ืคืกืงื that it's mutar, you don't have to be ืืืืง because of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื? And he gives two teirutzim. One teirutz is he says, very interesting teirutz, that this happened all before Pesach, right? Where we're ืืืืง ืืืฅ. Chametz is not ืืกืืจ yet. So the ืกืคืง has no value now. When does the ืกืคืง come up? When it's ืืกืืจ. Then already the second ืกืคืง is there, so both ืกืคืืงืืช come at the same time. And therefore he says, if the same story would have happened in the middle of Pesach, we wouldn't say We would not say ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื. If let's say we saw in the middle of Pesach a mouse run into the house with a piece of with a ืกืคืง ืืืฅ, then, even though there are two ืกืคืืงืืช, number one is it chametz or not, number two maybe he ate it, we would say asur, and you have to go check the house. Why? Because it's not together. Then he gives another terutz, he says, very interesting also, he says when you see the mouse running with the chametz, there is no safek whether you have to be bodek. What are you going to be bodek? The mouse has the chametz in his mouth. When it runs in and you don't see it, that's when the safek comes in, do you have to be bodek? Then already we have a safek of achilah. Anyway, I'm not interested in these two terutzim, all I'm interested is in the kashya. So, his kashya was, how does the Rema say that we ืคืกืงื this safek, this is mutar because of a safek sfeika when it doesn't fall under the category, it doesn't have the conditions of safek sfeika? Comes
Rabbi Akiva Eiger in ืืืืืช and he says, I don't understand this kashya. This is not a safek sfeika. Here the point is because achilah is a safek hargil. And therefore the reason it's mutar, because a safek hargil could take away from the safek of maybe it's chametz. And therefore, it doesn't have to have the conditions of safek sfeika. So, what do we see from here? That this seems to be a ืืืืืงืช, ืคืฉื in such a case, that the Magen Avraham holds it's ืืืขื ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, and Rabbi Akiva Eiger holds it's not because of safek sfeika, it's because of safek hargil. Now, if we're going to say, according to this shita, that this is a regular safek sfeika, we have a problem here. There is one another condition in ืืื ื ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, and that is a safek sfeika has to be a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื ืืืชืืคื. ืืชืืคื means it has to be able to go both directions. Give you an example. No, here, right, there is no safek maybe it wasn't there. Give you an example. Okay. If it falls, if it has the conditions, what's wrong? The question if it doesn't. Then if it's a safek sfeika, then it wouldn't be. So the question is, so we have two opinions by this ืืืื ืจืื ืขืงืืื, is it a safek sfeika or is it a safek hargil. Has to be a safek sfeika has to be ืืชืืคื. ืืชืืคื means it has to go both ways. Give you an example. Let's say you walked in the street and there was a ืฉืจืฅ there. If you touch a dead ืฉืจืฅ, you become ืืื. So let's say you walk in the street, and it's a ืกืคืง. Later, later you look back, maybe I touched it, maybe I didn't. Second thing is, I don't know if this is a ืฉืจืฅ. Maybe it's not a ืฉืจืฅ, there are only eight kinds which are called ืฉืจืฆืื which make you ืืื. Maybe it's ืฆืคืจืืข, maybe it's a frog, which doesn't make you ืืื. It's a safek sfeika. Number one, did I touch it or not? Afilu if I touched it, maybe it's a frog. You could go the other way, too. You can start it the other way: Maybe it's a frog, maybe it's a ืฉืจืฅ. Afilu if it's a ืฉืจืฅ, maybe I didn't touch it. That's called a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื ืืืชืืคื. The ืฉ\"ื gives in the ืืืืื, he says, example of safek sfeika it's not ืืชืืคื. So the ืืื example is like this: If you have a ืืฉืืื ืฉืื, and when you finish the ืฉืืืื, and you looked at the knife, you saw there is a ืคืืืื there. There was a blemish, that makes it ืืจืคื. Now if the ืคืืืื was there in the beginning of the ืฉืืืื, it's ืืื. If it happened after the ืฉืืืื, it's ืืฉืจ. So he says, someone writes, why shouldn't it be a safek sfeika? Number one, maybe it got the ืคืืืื at the end of the ืฉืืืื when it hit the bone, and not when they cut the ืกืืื ืื, they cut the two ืกืืื ืื, the two pipes. Afilu if you'll say it happened when it cut the ืกืืื ืื, maybe it happened at the ืืืขืื ืืชืจื. The ืืื is that when you ืฉืื the majority of the ืกืืื ืื it's already ืืฉืจ. So anything that happens after that at 50% doesn't matter, because it's already ืืฉืจ ืฉืืืื. So you say like this: Huh? No, it's a double ืกืคืง. Did it happen by the bone? Did it happen by the ืกืืื ืื? Afilu if it happened by the ืกืืื ืื, maybe it happened by the end? Okay, but he says that could also be, but I'm just saying using it as an example. He says this safek, it's even if you learn it's a safek sfeika, it won't work backwards. What are you going to say? Did it happen by the second half, or by the first half? Afilu if it happened by the first half, maybe it happened by the bone? It doesn't work backwards! You can't You can't go back. So a safek sfeika like that doesn't work as a safek sfeika. Now let's understand, this case, the safek sfeika of our ืืืจื, ืืืื ืจืื ืขืงืืื, does it work backwards? What is the safek here? Was there a ื ืคื there, or was there not a ื ืคื there? Afilu if there was a ื ืคื there, maybe it ate it up? Maybe it didn't, but maybe it did. Start the other way: Maybe it ate up the ื ืคื, maybe it didn't eat it up. Afilu if it didn't eat it up, maybe it wasn't there. So the question is, how does the Gemara call this a safek sfeika? If you learn this is not a din of a safek sfeika, it's a din of ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, so it doesn't have all the conditions of safek sfeika, so it doesn't matter. If you hold it's safek sfeika this is a safek sfeika, so it has to have all the conditions. So what are we going to do if this like finds ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื ืืืชืืคื? How do they learn peshat here? So just bekitzur, to explain the whole inyan, so there is a long ืืจืืืืช and I'll try to just make it short. Let's analyze the whole inyan of safek sfeika. What is the reason, why is a safek sfeika ืืืชืจ? So there is a Rashba. The Rashba says safek sfeika is like rov. Rov is the majority. We know when we have a ืฉืืื in a certain case, and say most situations this and this would be, so we say well, probably this is what happened here too. That's the din. We follow the majority of possibilities. So he says a safek sfeika is like rov. So then the first you say, what does a safek sfeika like rov mean? It's a majority of ืกืืจืืช. What's a safek sfeika? There's a ืกืืจื 50-50% chance ืกืืจื of how it was. Then within one of these two even in the sevara that it was no good, that itself there is a sevara. So you have 50-50, and in that 50 itself you have another 50-50, so 75-25. So it's the majority of sevarot versus the the miut, and we always follow the majority. If we say is a that this is the pshat a safek sfeika here. So another point will come out here: There is a ืืื, ืจืืื ืืืืงื, ืจืืื ืขืืืฃ. If we have a contradiction between a chazaka that tells you one way and rov that tells you another way, which one do you follow? Let's say something that has a chazaka of being kasher, and now there is a safek. So, the din is we follow the chazaka. On the other hand, there is a safek sfeika here, I mean a rov here, the other direction. Which one is stronger? So we say, rova adif, rov is stronger. And the mefarshim explain, why is rov stronger? They say like this: because chazaka doesn't verify what happened. Chazaka means like this: it was like this before, and as long as it didn't change, we have no way of saying that it changed. Not that we say because it
used to be like that, it's a siman it's like that now, too. What's the re'aya? We just can't change it. Rov means, yeah, we assume since most cases happen, so we assume this happened. So, rov verifies what the metziut is. Chazaka does not verify. Therefore, when you have a contradiction between rov and chazaka, rov is stronger, because rov is a verification. That's what the mefarshim say. If we're going to say safek sfeika is rov, so safek sfeika verifies. So, we have a safek sfeika on one side, it verifies what what happened. As if we know, halachically at least, we know that this and this is what took place. So let's assume here, since there's a safek sfeika here, so halachically, we verified that there was no nefel here that made it tamei. As if we know for sure, because that's a safek sfeika, okay? If safek sfeika means that, that means that it's like rov, and what we say what it means is that it verifies what happens, then we have a problem. What's the problem? The problem is the Gemara in Bava Kama. The
Gemara in Bava Kama is at least an interesting Gemara. Tosafos, I believe, explains the case. There it's a case like this: ืฉืืื ืฉืืฆืชื ืืงืฆืชื A chazakah is an established fact before. Let's say you measured a mikveh, and the mikveh had the shiur, and a few days later, you got a safek. No, not a safek, you see there is no shiur. Now, all the things you tovel'd'd in between, you don't know whether you tovel'd'd it before it became less or more. So we say, as long as you don't know, it's kasher. Not because we verified that when you tovel'd'd this keli, it definitely had a shiur, we don't know, but as long as we can't say different, we can't pasken that we can't change the din. But the rov, we say this is what happened, so we pasel. Here there's a din like this: the Gemara says that if there was Isn't a ืืจืืื also in a way like this, then The what? The What do you call the other kind? Not safek sfeika, but sfeika derabbanan? Sfeika derabbanan. Yeah. Yeah, because that's also Not because of rov. It's in a way a majority. It's also rov-like, I mean, all those things? It is. The Gemara The Gemara That whole thing, yeah. Now, here there is a din like this. The Gemara said like this: ืฉืืื ืฉืืฆืชื ืืงืฆืชื ืืืื ืจืืฉืื, ืืืงืฆืชื ืืืื ืฉื ื. If a woman miscarried and all that came out was a placenta, and a little bit came out the first day and the rest came out the next day. Now, we know a klal:
ืืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืื. If a placenta came, the halachah is there must have been a child there. There's no such thing as a placenta without a child. And therefore, there must have been a child there, and she is considered a yoledet. She's considered a woman who gave birth, and she is teme'ah. We just don't know what kind of child it was, because obviously it got dissolved someplace. It's a boy or a girl, we don't know, but she's teme'ah. And the din is a woman who gives birth is teme'ah. So, that's for sure if the placenta came out. What happens if part of the placenta came out day number one, and part of the placenta came out day number two? So the Gemara says that that the day it came out the first day, she's teme'ah yoledet. Why? Because maybe, because we know for sure that even when a ืืงืฆืช ืฉืืื comes, when a little bit of placenta comes, definitely part of the child was with it. But we're still not sure, because in order to be teme'ah, the majority of the child has to come out. Now that, we're not sure. Maybe the majority came out the second day. How? Until the day that the majority comes out, she would be She's teme'ah. She has to be teme'ah. No. There's a safek. So she's teme'ah, because it's a safek, she's temeiah. And the reason she's temeiah on the first day, because that is for sure that a little bit of placenta came on the first day. There's a safek: did the rov of the placenta come on the first day, or did the mi'ut? So since there is one safek, what's the din by safek? Tamei. Comes Tosafos and says, from the Gemara we see that the only reason she's temeiah the first day is because we're sure that some of the placenta came out. What would be according to the opinion that there is a possibility for a little bit of the placenta to come out without anything. Then we would have a safek sfeika the first day. Number one, did any of the blood come out? Even if part of the blood did come out, maybe it wasn't the rov. So then she wouldn't be temeiah. That's what it comes out from the Gemara. Comes Tosafos and asks a kushya. Huh? Now, that that's that we'll see, you'll get answered based on what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to get into that. Comes Tosafos. Huh? That's backwards, but I'm not that, I'm not bringing this for that reason. Comes Tosafos fregt a kushya. The kushya is, by tumah we have a special din. ืกืคืง ืืืืื ืืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, ืืื. ืกืคืง ืืืืื ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื, ืืืืจ. If the safek by tumah
happens in a in a private domain, even if you have 10 sfeikot it's tamei. By ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื, even one safek is tahor. So Tosafos says, \"I don't understand what the Gemara says, it makes a chiluk between one safek and two sfeikot. It depends. If it happened ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื, then even if you have one safek she she should be tehorah. If it happened ืืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, even if you have 20 sfeikot, she should be temeiah. So what's so what's the case here?\" So Tosafos answers one word, that the Gemara is not talking about tumah, the Gemara is talking about issur. A woman who gives birth is not only tumah like she touches tumah, she's assurah to her husband. There, yeah, there she she's niddah and she's assurah to her husband. So since she's assurah to her husband, there it doesn't fall in the category of ืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, ืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื. There it goes safek and one safek is tamei, two safekot is tahor, whatever the Gemara means. In other words, Tosafos is saying that this is only talking about issur. By tumah, it won't fall under the same category. So what will come out here? Come out a interesting thing here. Like what? Well, for a like a Cohen. Yeah. So we're machmir, we say the first day, if there was one safek, had there been two safekot, so the first day she would be muteret to her husband. The only reason the first day she's assurah to her husband because it's one safek. Had that been two safekot, she would have been muteret to her husband. But by tumah, it doesn't depend on one or two. So there'll come out that we will have pasken here two opposite dinim. The same situation, let's give an example. Let's say this situation happened, and there's one safek, and it happened in ืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื. And she'll come and ask the Rav, \"Am I teme'ah or tehorah?\" They'll say, \"tehorah\", because it happened ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื. Then she'll ask, \"Am I allowed to be with my husband?\" They'll say, \"No.\" The same farkert, if
there was a double safek, and it happened to be in ืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, and she'll ask, \"Am I teme'ah?\" \"Sure you're teme'ah, it's ืจืฉืืช ืืืืื.\" \"Am I muteret to my husband?\" \"Yes.\" And it's a contradiction. So you're paskening two The same case you're saying two opposite dinim. Here you're paskening that she's teme'ah, in other words you assume that the child came out, and here you're saying she's muteret to her husband, that child didn't. That's the same farkert. The emes is, we don't get this baffled. We find cases where we pasken the opposite. The best example, ืฉื ื ืฉืืืืื. Where the Gemara says if there are two roads, one road had tumah, that you couldn't pass by without getting tamei, and one not. One guy walked in one road, one guy walked in another road. And this guy, and this is a ืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื. So one guy comes, first guy comes to beit din and says, \"I walked in one, I don't know which one I walked. In the tameidige one or not?\" Beit din will look into it and say, \"Well, it's a safek. And the roads are ืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื, ืกืคืง ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื ืืืืจ. Fine, you're tahor.\" Comes the other guy and says, \"I walked in the other road.\" \"Nu\", they'll look at him and say, \"Sure, ืกืคืง ืืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื ืืืืจ.\" Even if they come together, they'll tell them both tahor. How can you tell them both tahor? If you tell this guy tahor, automatically that guy has to be tamei. If you tell that guy tahor, this guy is tamei. What do you? Ela mai, we don't care. We pasken two opposites. How can you look at it from that point of view? That's not how he meant it. That, you know what the point is, we don't believe you have. Here you can't have a whole belief, here it's a metziut. The answer is because we're dealing with two separate people. We're paskening him like this, and him like this. Here we're dealing with one person. And the same maaseh. There we're talking about two ืืืืืืช, two two people, both walked, and we're judging each one separately. Here we can't judge separately, we're judging one case. What would be if the same guy walked one way and came back the same way? He's tamei for sure. The same guy walked both ways? Yeah, he's tamei for sure. Yeah. He walked there and came back and they say you're tahor, then the other way still, okay. Yeah, yeah. He's tamei. Now, beit din would have to know that he walked both ways. No, he knows he walked both ways, and he knows for sure, and that's for sure that's not that's not a safek anymore. That's not a safek, he walked for sure by one tumah. It's like the din is by Shabbos, if somebody does a ืืืืื ืืื ืืฉืืฉืืช Friday night, bein hashmashos is a ืกืคืง ืืื ืกืคืง ืืืื, so he doesn't get punished, because it's a safek. What happens if he does ืืืืื ืืื ืืฉืืฉืืช Friday, and ืืื ืืฉืืฉืืช ืฉืืช? He's for sure one way or the other. Yeah, so he gets, that is no longer a safek. ืืชืจืืช ืกืคืง that we don't know what to warn him, but that's not ื ืืืข there. Anyway, so the she'eilah is here, there we say we don't care, two opposites, but here we should care, because we're talking about the same person and and the same ืืฆืืืืช. And let me explain the shaila even further. One of the two cases I mentioned before is not a problem. If there was one safek, and it happened in a ืจืฉืืช ืืจืืื, so what did you say, what's the two opposites? She'll be asur to her husband, and she'll be tahor. So I'll say that's not a contradiction. We don't say what happened. We don't say that when we say she's asur to her husband, we say we know for sure that there was a ืืื. What we say is there was a safek. The Torah tells us how to behave by a safek. By issur, the Torah says you have to behave one way, by tumah, you have to behave the other way. Look at the other example, where there was a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื in ืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, where for issur we'll say she's mutar because of a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื, for tumah we'll say she's tamei. Now, we said before that a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื means that it's verifying the ืืฆืืืืช. The case before was one safek. ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื means you verify the ืืฆืืืืช. So if we ืคืกืงื she's mutar to her husband, we verified the ืืฆืืืืช that there was no ืืื. How can we, at the same time, say she's tamei? So, therefore, we have to say that what Tosafos says here learns the pshat in ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื that it's not ืืืขื ืจืื, which means it's not vadai, it's not verifying. So what is the reason of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื? The reason of ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื would be this: when there is a safek if something is asur, and we say we have to ืคืกืงื ืืืืืจื, the Torah says you have to ืคืกืงื ืืืืืจื, it's only if the safek is a strong safek. If the safek itself is weakened, then the Torah says that safek we don't we don't have to be machmir. That's the reason, not because it's a rov. And that's exactly what happens. A safek means 50/50, 50% chance, there's two sides to it. One side says if this and this happened, it's okay. On the other hand, if the other thing happened, it's not okay, and we don't know. But at least one thing is clear, that if the other side happened, it's no good. But if the case is where even if the other side happened, we're still not sure it's no good, so that safek is a weak safek. A safek like that the Torah didn't asar. That's the reason for safek sfeika. So now it comes out, and in that case we could say here also, we never contradict. Even by a safek sfeika, it's not a contradiction. If it's a safek sfeika in ืจืฉืืช ืืืืื, we say she's ืืืชืจืช ืืืขืื, not because we know that there was there was no ืืื. Why do we say she's ืืืชืจืช ืืืขืื? Because by a safek sfeika, the Torah said pasken like this. By by ืืืกืืจ. By tumah, the Torah said pasken different. But the bottom line is that we have two ways of learning safek sfeika: or we learn it's because of rov, or because of of of it's a weak safek. Now, both approaches to safek sfeika, we have to understand why does a safek sfeika have to be ืืชืืคื? And I'll try to explain this according to both ways. The basic nekudah why a safek sfeika has to be ืืชืืคื, the ืืฉืื that's used in the acharonim is because when you start making a safek sfeika, and you start from one side, if it doesn't work the other way, then we'll stop you and ask you: Who tells you to start from that side that you'll have a safek sfeika? Start from this side and you have one safek! So you have a problem. That's the second way, according to this side, because there's an inside it's it's safek sfeika means that you what if you start there, it's a safek, you start like that Who says the Torah tells you to start there? According to the sevara of rov, then you're right, then it has to be that both sfeikot have to be together. When is it called ืจืื ืกืืจืืช? If while you think this safek, you could think that safek. And that can only be done from one side. From the other side, if you think this safek, the other safek is not connected, nothing to do. So basically, what It makes it in two separate sfeikot. If you have two separate sfeikot, it doesn't It's not a rov! What happens if you have a safek 50/50 and another safek 50/50? So what do you have? 100 to 100, which is again 50/50. If one safek is within the other, then it's 75/25, it's a rov. So if it's not If it's ืืชืืคื, that means that they're both intertwined, that one safek each safek has the other safek in it. But if it doesn't go backwards, then each safek doesn't have the other safek in it, at least from one side. So you don't have a rov, which means, in other words, that according to the sevara of rov, why do we need it to be ืืชืืคื? Because if it's not ืืชืืคื, you don't have the quality of a safek sfeika to begin with! It's not a If the whole idea of safek sfeika to have ืจืื ืกืืจืืช, in order to become a safek sfeika, you have to have to be both ways. According to the second way, that's not the reason. It's a safek sfeika without it. It just I could ask you a kashya and now I have to have a terutz. I have to ask you a kashya, go the other way, you can't go the other way, I have a kashya! But not that otherwise it doesn't have the quality of a safek sfeika. What will be the difference? And that's the punchline. The difference will be, what happens in a case where you have to start one way, is it called a safek sfeika? I'll give you an example of a case where you have to start one way, and that's the case that's given.
There's a Tosafot in Ketubot ืืฃ ื' ืข\"ื, the Tosafot, the Gemara there goes into the case if a person marries a woman and says, I found she's not a ืืชืืื. And he suspects that she was ืืื ื in between the time of the ืืืจืืกืื, when she was engaged, till now, and then she was an ืืฉืช ืืืฉ, and she's ืืกืืจื to him. Now, we don't know, we don't know when it happened. So the Gemara says that by a Kohen, if the husband is a Kohen, there's only one safek. What's the safek? Was it before the ืืืจืืกืื, then she's not ืืกืืจื to him. It happened before the engagement, she was a ืคื ืืื, she was a single. Or did it happen afterwards, that's all. So it's one safek, she's ืืกืืจื. If it's a ืืฉืจืื, there's a double ืกืคืง. Number one, did it happen before the ืืืจืืกืื or after the ืืืจืืกืื? Number one, did it happen ืืืื ืก, did it happen ืืจืฆืื? Was she forced, or was it willingly? Because if it was done by force, she's still ืืืชืจืช. By a ืืื, this doesn't work, because by a ืืื, even if it was done by force, she becomes ืืกืืจื. So by a ืืื, it's only one ืกืคืง, by a, by a ืืชืืื, by a ืืฉืจืื, it's a double ืกืคืง. Which, by the way, here's another example of a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื that works both ways. You could start whichever you want. Was it ืืืื ืก, was it ืืจืฆืื? Even if it was ืืจืฆืื, was it before? You could go the other way: was it before ืืืจืืกืื, after ืืืจืืกืื? Was it ืืืื ืก, ืืจืฆืื? Everything. Comes Tosafot and asks a ืงืฉืื, what about a case of a ืืื, why isn't there a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื there, too? The ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื is, I have another ืกืคืง. How do you know ืฉืืืื there was ืื ืืช? Maybe she was a ืืืืช ืขืฅ? She got hurt? So you could have a double ืกืคืง. Number one, maybe she was ืืื ื, maybe it was ืืืืช ืขืฅ. Even if she was ืืื ื, maybe it was before the ืืืจืืกืื. Huh? Why is there a ืกืคืง if he's not a ืืื? No, why is there a ืกืคืง? Why is there a ืกืคืง? Why is there a ืกืคืง? So Tosafot says that it's for a ืืื, even if ืืื, ืืื ืื ืืืืืกืื, not ืืืืืกืื, ืืืืืกืื. But come here and say here's a real ืกืคืง. The reason she was, you don't know whether she's ืืืืช ืขืฅ? Huh? Yeah, because always the Yeah, she has no ืืชืืืื. Now you don't know, could be ืืืืช ืขืฅ or not. So here, there Tosafos asks a question: it's not ืืชืืคื! You can't go the other way, right? You can't say this: was it ืืืื ืก, was it ืืจืฆืื? No, was she ืืื ื ืืืื ืก, was she ืืื ื ืืจืฆืื? No. Was she ืืื ื before the ืืืจืืกืื, was she ืืื ื after the ืืืจืืกืื? Afilu she was ืืื ื after the ืืืจืืกืื, maybe she was a ืืืืช ืขืฅ? But the answer here is no here, you know what the case is: you can't start the other way! You can't start with maybe she was ืืืื ืก, maybe before ืืืจืืกืื, maybe after ืืืจืืกืื. I'll tell you why: maybe she was what before ืืืจืืกืื? Maybe she was ืืื ื, who says she was ืืื ื? So you must first start thinking, first of all, was she ืืื ื? Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't. If she was, and the pshat, and the case is like this: in a case where you must start the other way, there is no problem that it's not ืืชืืคื. Why? When is there a problem of ืืชืืคื? When you could start both ways, and for some way, the other way doesn't go. Then, then there's a problem. Why? I ask you, who told you to start this way? And you have a safek sfeika, maybe you could start the other way, and it will be only one safek. But if you cannot start the other way, so you have no kashya maybe started, I can't start the other way. I must first start to think if she's a ืืื ื or not. But this is an answer only if you hold that safek sfeika is not from rov, safek sfeika is because it's a weak safek. So then the only problem why we need it to be ืืชืืคื is because otherwise I, I ask you a kashya, start the other way. But if I can't ask that kashya, it's a good safek sfeika. But if I need the safek sfeika to be ืืชืืคื because otherwise I don't have the whole concept of a safek sfeika, so even if I can't go the other way, but ืืคืืขื I don't have a ืืชืืคื, but they don't go together. They're not intermolded, the two ืกืืจืืช. So if you hold this way, then if you can't start, it won't go. Our Gemara here, when the kashya I asked on the boydem of the ืขืื\"ื, that how could this be a safek sfeika when you can't, when when it doesn't go backwards, here is an example of a case where you can't start. Where are you going to start? You're going to start saying, maybe it ate it, maybe it didn't. Ate what? Oh, maybe there was if if there was a ื ืืืื here, maybe it ate it. So you got to start thinking, was there a neveilah or was there not? Even if there was, maybe it ate it. So the fact that it's not ืืชืืคื is not a problem. And that's why it fits even to those that say safek sfeika. Again, so let's go back to the beginning. If you hold that this safek, safek is not because of safek sfeika, we have no kashya to begin with. It doesn't fall under the category of safek sfeika, so it doesn't need all the conditions, so even if it's not ืืชืืคื, it's a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื which takes out from a safek from from a safek. Our kashya was If, according to the shita, hold that this is a safek sfeika, like
Rashi in Avodah Zarah says it's a safek sfeika, so we had a kashya, so it has to have all the conditions of a safek sfeika, and it doesn't. It's missing the condition of ืืชืืคื. I'm saying, according to the second sevara in safek sfeika, it doesn't have to be ืืชืืคื. So, those shitos will hold that sevara, that safek sfeika is not ... Safek sfeika is because it's a weak safek, and therefore you only need it to be ืืชืืคื if you're able to start both sides and you can't go on to the second safek from one way. But in a case like this where you can't start, so there is no problem with not being ืืชืืคื, and that's why, so this fits. So, why does Rashi over here make it sound like he's not saying safek sfeika and over there he does say safek sfeika? What? That's what Rashi is doing. Obviously, some this Gemara is mashma like this, and that Gemara Rashi has a re'aya like that. That's a inyan in itself. We'd have to go into why Rashi, a setirah in Rashi. But I wasn't interested in this. This is to show that there are, yeah, that's that's that means... Right. Exactly. Well, that's more, that's probable, that's a whole inyan. So, the
second safek is a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, so it doesn't have to be a safek sfeika. Just, in other words, there are cases where we don't say ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื ืืืชืจ, and ืกืคืง ืืจืืื would be mutar. For example, the Alter Rebbe says in... Chametz, in certain cases, that even by a ืกืคืง ืกืคืืงื it's asur, because ืืืืงืช ืืืฅ to begin with was established in a case of a ืกืคืง. So, whatever ืกืคืง you have, you still have to do ืืืืงื. But if it's a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื, then you don't, because a ืกืคืง ืืจืืื is stronger. Do they care how much how much over 50% something is? One, one piece of meat, you know, in cans, is different than one piece of meat in nine. Well, no, that's different. Then you got a bitul. You can do a bitul. Would it be a ืืื of a bitul? No, but this goes by majority, right? So, saying ืืืืื ืืจืื, there's an example, right? So, ืจืื is ืื ืืชืจื. ืื ืืชืจื, ืื ื... ืืื\"ื or something. Unless it's a case where it's big, let's say, and it's if it's less chance it ate it, it couldn't eat it up, it was so big. In other words, then there is no ืกืืจื of ืจืื. It couldn't. If you have if you have one one egg with blood and a bigger one without blood... Well, here we're talking it got mixed together, you don't know which one is the one. No, they got mixed toge... and No, so it goes by It goes by size. Then it's pashut like pieces of meat. 60 goes by size. ืื ืืชืจื doesn't go by size. Because this is not in size, number of eggs. Yeah. So, a giant egg and a little egg So, what do you mean? But you don't know which one is the egg. No, nothing to do with that. They got mixed together, so because Because you didn't You didn't see that there was blood in the You Your wife checked the egg and she Oh, you mean you cracked it in the face and then you mixed it up? Yes, and that's not ืื ืืชืจื anymore, and that was that was bitul. It's still It's not, it's not ืืืฉ ืืืืฉ anymore. ืื ืืชืจื is only by ืืืฉ ืืืืฉ. This is already ืื ืืื, and then it's ืืืืื ื... ืืจืืื. So, which one? Then no, then it goes by size. 60 of it. They go in chicken.
Says that if a woman gives her ืื to an agent to hold onto it, she's not ืืืืจืฉืช, and the husband didn't marry a second wife, and then he dies, why does she need ืืืืฆื? After all, an ืขืจืื doesn't need ืืืืฆื. It says so in the Torah explicitly. If an ืขืจืื needs ืืืืฆื, how come we don't have ืืืืฆื for an ordinary ืขืจืื? It doesn't make any sense.