The Obligation to Destroy Chametz Before Pesach: Part 2
Does Chametz You Don't Yet Own Count on Pesach?
Part of Pesach
Explores whether the chametz prohibition can apply to something not yet in existence, using the analogy of an egg laid on Yom Tov.
Audio Transcript
Not the pshat that the chiyuv, the zman didn't come, there is no chiyuv. I want to use the same logic here, too. 诪爪讜讬, which is the metziut, and obviously it means 讬诪爪讗 on Pesach, which is the metziut, metziut is not here. You could say other things are the metziut, so mimela in a case where there is no metziut of what the issur is. Why isn't that the fact that you're not there, but chametz is there? Yeah, the chametz chametz. There, what does that mean 'there'? The whole taytsh of 'there' is it has to be there in the house on Pesach. There. Okay, I I thought I would get away without explaining it in more detail. It's there is a 砖讗诇讛 讘讻诇诇, is the zman of the of chametz of Pesach a chelek of the 讞驻爪讗 讚讗讬住讜专? This is an Avnei Nezer. Okay, the Avnei Nezer explains a machloket in the rishonim whether chametz is called 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. We know that chametz is batel, is not 讘讟诇 讘砖砖讬诐. For that matter, why? Why is chametz different than other issurim? So some rishonim say, the Rambam actually says, because 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. Any aveirah, any issur, any 讚讘专 which things which is asur, which later on at one point will become mutar, while it's asur it doesn't become batel. That's the din, whatever the reason is. Chametz is the same. On Pesach it's asur, after Pesach it's mutar. Mid'oraisa. Derabbanan say 讞诪抓 砖注讘专 注诇讬讜 讛驻住讞 is also asur, but mid'oraisa 讞诪抓 is mutar. So it's a 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉, it's something that will become mutar. Other Rishonim say no, that's not the reason. Other reason. Because the Torah made 讘诇 讬专讗讛, it since it's more chamur. Why don't they accept it to be 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉? So they say bifshitus, it's very simple. It's going to become mutar and then asur again. Next year Pesach. It's not like all other 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. Today it's asur, like the
best example is 讘讬爪讛 砖谞讜诇讚讛 讘讬讜诐 讟讜讘. An egg was born on Yom Tov, it's not batel. It's asur to eat and if it mixes with a thousand eggs, it's not batel. Why? Because wait till tomorrow, it'll be mutar and it'll never become asur again. Every 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉 will never become asur again. Here it's a issur that next year comes back. The Avnei Nezer gives another reason what the machloket is with 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. He says like this: What is the issur of chametz? Now he wants to, what is also, is the 讗讬住讜专 讞诪抓 讘驻住讞? Or is the 讗讬住讜专 讞诪抓 讚驻住讞? Is the, peshat is like that, the issur, what is asur? The, come the cheftza of chametz. When is the cheftza of 讞诪抓 讗住讜专? On Pesach. Or Pesach is part of the the combination of chametz and Pesach together make an 讗讬住讜专? Just like by 讘砖专 讘讞诇讘. No one's going to say, 'You see, 讘砖专 is 讗住讜专. Oh, you know when it's 讗住讜专? If it got mixed with milk.' It's stupid. But like that, 讘砖专 讘讞诇讘 is 讗住讜专. It's one 讞驻抓. So he says there is a sevara to say that not 讞诪抓 is 讗住讜专 on Pesach. 讞诪抓 together with Pesach, like 讘砖专 讘讞诇讘, is 讗住讜专. And he says that's the difference. If the 讗讬住讜专 is 讞诪抓, so 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. Today 讞诪抓 is 讗住讜专, after 驻住讞 讞诪抓 is mutar. If the 讗讬住讜专 is 讞诪抓 讘驻住讞, 讞诪抓 讘驻住讞 will never become mutar! What will happen is, it'll change it'll change, no, it'll change to a new 讞驻抓. It won't become 讞诪抓 讘驻住讞, it'll be a different 讞驻抓. When Pesach leaves, it's like you separated, took away part of it. The only 讗讬住讜专 is if they combine. If they're not combined, so it's a different 讞驻抓. So it's not 讚讘专 砖讬砖 诇讜 诪转讬专讬谉. It's never become mutar. So I
want to say that it's possible that 诇讙讘讬 讗讻讬诇讛, 诇讙讘讬 eating, the 讝诪谉 of Pesach is the 讝诪谉, the time of Pesach. 诇讙讘讬 the 讬诪爪讗, 驻住讞 is a 讞诇拽 of the 讞驻抓. Which means when the 讞驻抓 is 讬诪爪讗 by you, part of being 讬诪爪讗 and being found, just like 讘讙砖诪讬讜转 has to be found, it has to be found at a certain time. That's part of the 诪爪讬讗讜转 of what the issur is. 诇讱 is an separate entity. 诇讱 is yours. So here it's very easy to say that it's yours, Pesach, on Pesach if it's yours, it's asur. Pesach is the 讝诪谉. 诪爪讗 is the 诪爪讬讗讜转, the 讝诪谉 is also part of the 诪爪讬讗讜转. It has to be found on Pesach. So if that's the peshat, at least it's possible to say, I'm not saying you have to say it, because 讜讛讗 专讗讬讛, I will say it over, doesn't hold like that, but if you if you go with this gang, it comes out that the 讞驻抓 of chametz before Pesach is not the same 讞驻抓. So you don't have it. So it's not the peshat you have the 讞驻抓 and everything is there, just it'll happen later. You don't have it! So Abaye comes and says if you don't have it, you don't have it. But it's only if you say 讬诪爪讗. Rava will say no, that even by 诪爪讜讬, it's only the 诪爪讜讬, the Pesach is now, so you have the 诪爪讜讬 now like you said. But
Abaye will hold, but it's only, according to Tosafot, we need a different 讘讬讗讜专 in Abaye. But what I'm saying, according to Rashi, you could learn like that. In the thirty days, it's just... 讚专讘谞谉. What's coming out of the Avnei Nezer? You have an 讗讬住讜专 讞诪抓 in the 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖 the whole year. Yeah. The 注谞讬谉 of chametz is is afra... By 讘讬转 讛诪拽讚砖? Same. We're not, we're not saying there is no such thing as 讞驻抓 of chametz, but 诇讙讘讬... Issur of Pesach, it's 讗讬住讜专 讞诪抓 讘驻住讞. Why? I mean it's possible. I'm not saying he's muchrach to say that way, it's very easy to say not like that, but it makes sense to say like that too. I mean it has sevara. Be'emet you could kler this by other things also. And there I don't see acharonim would do it, but they kler it, no, there by 诪诇讗讻转 砖讘转 you could say the same thing. Yeah, there's no such thing as melachah in the weekdays. Melachah together with Shabbos, combination is asur. And during and during the weekdays, it's not that we have the same melachah as what But the limud, the whole limud for the for the 讗讬住讜专 诪诇讗讻讛, is that vos heist a melachah by Mishkan, and that's on Shabbos. Yeah, to the Mishkan. So again, so it means you have to have what's called a melachah, then Yeah, the issur, I'm not talking the issur. What melachah is, for sure, we know what 讞驻... what chametz is. The issur of melachah is not the melachah, but the 诪诇讗讻讛 讘砖讘转. Not that the issur is melachah, when, on Shabbos, the melachah is the issur is the combination of melachah and Shabbos together. You could same like a chametz, you could say that there, too. And it's 谞讜讙注 诇讙讘讬 诇讙讘讬 驻讬拽讜讞 谞驻砖 and things like that. I mean, is it 讛讜转专讛, 讚讞讜讬讛, and all kinds of cheshbonot you can make. And and but they kler a similar thing, but not exactly. Ober that's his this kler. [Non-speech audio] [Non-speech audio]