Bava Kama 9a โ Iyun
A Half-Slave's Obligation to Have Children
Part of Bava Kama (Iyun)
A Gittin sugya on the tension between a half-slave's inability to marry and the mitzvah of procreation, the Rogatchover's analysis of which obligation takes precedence, and a discussion of hiddur mitzvah that closes with why Chabad doesn't decorate its sukkah.
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going to say what we said before, why? Concerning this ืฉืืช, this ืขื ืื of ืฉืืช is brought down in another ืืืจื. There's a ืืืจื in ืืื ืืชืจื and there's a ืืืจื in ืืืืื, and it says like this: ืืฆื ืขืื ืืฆื ืื ืืืจืื. You have a person who's a half slave. To be half slave and half free. How is that possible? He's a ืืืืืฉืขืจ slave, owned by two partners, and one of them freed him. So now he's half and half. So the ืืืจื says like this: So one day he works for himself, one day he works for a master. Comes ืืืช ืฉืืื and says, I don't know, this is this ain't good. Why? What about his marriage? ืืืฉื ืฉืคืื ืืื ื ืืืื, to marry a ืฉืคืื he can't, because he's half ืืื. ืืืฉื ืืช ืืืจืื, to marry a ืืืืืฉืข woman he can't, because he's half ืขืื. Can't get married. ืืืืื, let him not get married? But the ืคืกืืง says, ืื ืืชืืื ืืจืื ืืฉืืช ืืฆืจื, the ืคืกืืง says it has to be ืืฉืืช. He's one person and he has both halves, so that's what it is. Right, you could have one person marrying a ืฉืคืื or a ืืช ืืืจืื. Still no good. No, it's still no good. Each half is going to have the the ืฉืืืืืช to the other half. So therefore, ืืืช ืฉืืื says what we do is, ืืืคืื ืืช ืจืื, we have to force the master he should free him. That was, and free him becomes free. And he owes the money. It says, and he has to write in He doesn't have any money, because at the moment he's freed, till now he owned him, now he's going to start earning. So ืืืชื, he has to write a document to his master that he owes him the money. That was he's, a promissory note, because what he's doing he what he's doing is he's selling him to himself without having any money, on credit. Comes ืชืืกืคืืช and asks a ืงืฉืื: When the ืืืจื asked that he cannot stay unmarried, and the ืืืจื said why not, because it says ืฉืืช. Why didn't the ืืืจื bring ืคืจืื ืืจืืื, which is a better ืืฆืื? Now, the simple answer is, because ืคืจืื ืืจืืื is only important for one half of him. Which half has the problem of not getting married? The Jew part. But the other part, that But if you mention ืฉืืช, it's a problem for both parts, that's why the ืืืจื would rather mention ืฉืืช. That's how ืชืืกืคืืช answers. But the
ืจืืืืืฉืืืขืจ has another ืคืฉื here. The ืจืืืืืฉืืืขืจ is ืืืืง, makes a difference between the ืืฆืื of ืคืจื ืืจืื and the ืืฆืื of ืฉืืช. He says like this: The ืืฆืื of ืคืจื ืืจืื is on the ืืืจื. It's a ืืฆืื on the person. You have an obligation to to have children. The ืืฆืื of ืฉืืช is it's the ืืฆืื It's a ืืฆืื that there should be people in the world. And therefore, when there's a ืืฆืื on the person, if the person is an ืื ืืก, person is forced, you're ืคืืืจ, ืืื ืก ืจืืื ื ืคืืจืื. So what does the ืืืจื say? What's this ืืฆื ืขืื ืืฆื ืื ืืืจืื going to do, he can't get married. Why can't he get married? Because he's not allowed, so he can't. So what's the problem? What's the ืืืจื's ืงืฉืื, what's going to happen with ืคืจื ืืจืื? He's an ืื ืืก. So the ืืืจื can't ask that. But ืฉืืช, ืืื ืก doesn't help, because here the bottom line is what counts. A guy is an ืื ืืก and he couldn't learn. You're like, all right, you won't be punished, but an ืขื ืืืจืฅ you still are. I mean, that's not going to There won't be people in the world. In other words, is that ืฉืืช is a ืืื the ืืฆืื has to be done. ืจืื ืืืกืฃ ืขื ืืื says the same thing in ืืชืืื ืืืืจืืืชื, in other words. So therefore, the ืืืจื can't pick ืคืจื ืืจืื, the ืืืจื picks ืฉืืช. The bottom line from all this is that the ืืฆืื of ืฉืืช is a ืืฆืื is a ืืืจ is is a ืืฆืื not on the ืืืจื. If the ืจ\"ื holds that ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื is a ืืื on the ืืืจื, so now we understand why the ืจ\"ื couldn't answer that what does the ืืฉื ื mean ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื. The ืจ\"ื asks the ืงืฉืื, how does the ืืฉื ื say it's a bigger ืืฆืื on her to do it herself, that in when what kind of ืืฆืื, so the ืงืฉืื is, he could have answered the ืืฆืื of ืฉืืช, he couldn't! Because if the ืืฆืื is ืฉืืช, you couldn't apply ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื, because the whole concept of ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื is that you're not a person. And the ืืฆืื of ืฉืืช ืืืื is not in that ืืืจ in the person. So the ืจ\"ื couldn't answer that. So this is all if we could if we accept that the ืจ\"ื holds that ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื is a is a ืืื in the on the person. Now,
all this is just like an introduction that just like we have these two sides concerning ืืืื ื and ืืจืืืช ืืืฆืืืช and and ืืื ืขืืฉืื ืืฆืืืช ืืืืืืช ืืืืืืช and ืืฆืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืืืื, we could have the same ืืงืืจื ื ืืืข ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื. This whole idea of doing a ืืฆืื ืืืืืืจ, is this a ืืื in the ืืฆืื or is this on the person? In other words, when you do a ืืฆืื, you could do it not ืืืืืืจ, you could do it, yeah, ืืืืืืจ. You could say, look, as far as the ืืฆืื is concerned, it's exactly the same. There is what the ืืฆืื is, and if you do the ืืฆืื, you do the ืืฆืื. What's the ืืืืืจ? The ืืืืืจ is on the person. The person should show the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ that I really am trying to be nice to you and I'm trying to do I feel good for you, I want to make it nicer. So when it says ืืชื ืื ืืคื ืื ืืืฆืืืช, make a nice ืืืืช, make this, that's not because the ืืืืช, the performance of the ืืฆืื will be a better ืืฆืื. It'll be a ืืื in me. Just like by ืืื ืขืืฉืื ืืฆืืืช ืืืืืืช ืืืืืืช, there is negative way. Don't throw them all, because you're going to show the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ that you don't care. Here you're going to show the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ that you do care. Or you could say no, it's a ืืื in the ืืฆืื itself. If you do the ืืฆืื without the ืืืืืจ, you did it, certain degree. If you do it with a ืืืืืจ, the ืืฆืื is a better ืืฆืื, it's not a ื ืคืงื ืืื ื. Now, what are the difference, it's not in ืืืื, the difference is this: whether when a person does a ืืฆืื ืืืืืืจ, is the ืืืจ concept of this ืืชื ืื ืืคื ืื ืืืฆืืช, one ืืฆืื, no matter which ืืฆืื you do it in, one ืขื ืื, or it's in every separate ืขื ืื. In other words, if I perform the ืืฆืื of ืชืคืืืื ืืืืืืจ, so I can say like this: I did two ืขื ืื ืื here. I did the ืืฆืื of ืชืคืืืื, then I did a ืืฆืื called ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื. But ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื, so when I put ืชืคืืืื on ืืืืืืจ, and I eat ืืฆื ืืืืืืจ, I in both cases fulfilled the same ืืฆืื. The ืืฆืื of ืืฆื is different than the ืืฆืื of ืชืคืืืื, but ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื, there's one ืืฆืื of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื, and that ืืฆืื is the same by all ืืฆืืช. It's a ืืฆืื ืืืืืช, a general ืืฆืื. Or, you could say no, if it's a, if it's a ืคืจื in the ืืฆืื, so ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื of ืชืคืืืื is a ืคืจื of ืชืคืืืื. ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื of ืืฉืจืืช, is of of of ืืฆื is a ืืื of ืืฆื. It's similar to the famous ืฉืืื, there's a ืืื of ืืคื ื ืขืืจ ืื ืชืชื ืืืฉืื, you're not allowed to put, before you go to ืืืฉืื, you just said before to say he did the ืืฆืื itself, but it's a ืืฆืื ืืืืืช. Now, also is a difference if it's ืืคืฆื, that means if you did the, that's what I'm saying now, that whether it's ืืืืืช or ืคืจืืืช is an outcome of whether it's in the, in the ืืคืฆื, in the ืืฆืื, or the person. Now,
ืืคื ื ืขืืจ, what's ืืคื ื ืขืืจ? It says you shouldn't put a stumbling block in front of a blind man. What does that mean? You're not allowed to be ืืืฉืื, you're not allowed to make somebody do an ืขืืืจื. It's terrible, that's ืืคื ื ืขืืจ. Now, here is a ืฉืืื, the ืจืืืืืฉืืืืขืจ has a ืฉืืื: is ืืคื ื ืขืืจ a ืคืจื, a detail in every ืืฆืื, in every ืขืืืจื, or is it one general thing? ืืืฉื, if someone is ืืืฉืื somebody in ืฉืืช, what ืขืืืจื was he ืขืืืจ? So you could say he was an ืขืืืจ a ืืืืืช'ืืืงืข ืขืืืจื, that you're not allowed to make someone stumble over doing something wrong. Or you could say, no, you're ืขืืืจ on ืฉืืช. Well, which part of ืฉืืช? Well, ืฉืืช has a lot of details. One of, is the ืืคื ื ืขืืจ of ืฉืืช! If you're ืืืฉืื somebody in eating ืืจืคื, you're ืขืืืจ on the ืืืกืืจ of ืืจืคื. And it would depend: if it's the ืืคื ื ืขืืจ of ืฉืืช, it's worse. But the other way, it's one ืืคื ื ืขืืจ. One of the ืจืืืืช they bring to one ืฆื, to one side of the of the discussion, it's one of the ืจืืืืช, a ืจืืื is something to bring out, ืชืืกืคืืช in ืขืืืื ืืจื says that if a ืืื makes somebody do a ืืืกืืจ ืืจืื ื, he's ืขืืืจ on ืืคื ื ืขืืจ ืืืืืจืืืชื. Now, how's that possible? How could, I'm causing the person to do an ืขืืืจื, if that whole ืขืืืจื is ืืจืื ื, how could I be ืขืืืจ on ืืคื ื ืขืืจ ืืืืืจืืืชื? Yeah, but what ืขืืืจื, I made him do something wrong, if it's only wrong ืืืจืื ื, oh, if ืืคื ื ืขืืจ is a ืืื in every ืืฆืื, then it can't be worse than that ืืฆืื. So let's say if I make somebody eat ืืื ืขืื''ื, I'm ืขืืืจ on ืืคื ื ืขืืจ on ืืื ืขืื''ื. So I'm ืขืืืจ on a ืืืกืืจ, ืืื ืขืื''ื is ืืจืื ื. ืืื ืขืื''ื has many ืคืจืืื in it. One ืคืจื is you can't drink it, you can't do this, you can't make someone ืขืืืจ on it. So then it can't be a ืืืืจืืืชื, because, what like that? But if you say it's ืืืืืช, if the ืชืืจื says that we have in every ืืฆืื, one ืืคื ื ืขืืจ, so you could be ืขืืืจ on the ืืืกืืจ ื, imagine! You cause somebody to do an ืืืกืืจ ืืจืื ื, and you, by causing him, are ืขืืืจ an ืืืกืืจ ืืืืจืืืชื! And the same thing here, when you do a ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื, the ืฉืืื is, is it a ืืืืืช'ืืืงืข, it's one ืืฆืื ืืชื ืื ืืคื ืื. Now, when, in any ืืฆืื possible, but the other way is, no, it's a part of every ืืฆืื. That's one ื ืคืงื ืืื ื. But then there is another ื ืคืงื ืืื ื, and this is what I'm trying to get to. The other ื ืคืงื ืืื ื is: is there a concept of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื when you add something on the outside of the ืืฆืื, something that's not part of the ืืฆืื? For instance, for instance, we'll get to that, that's what we're getting to, but I'm getting even before that: is there a ืขื ืื in ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื to take a silver box and put your ืืชืจืื in? Is that a ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื? Well, it would really depend on this ืฉืืื. If it's a ืืื in the ืืฆืื, the the box is not the ืืฆืื, so there is nothing there. If it's a ืืื in the person that you want to, there's a, there's a ืืื that you should show the ืืืืืขืจืฉืืขืจ how you like His ืืฆืื, then you could show a silver box also, and it's also part of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื. Now,
when we have, when you have a ืืฆืื, and the ืืฆืื has a size, the Rebbe writes in, actually in ืกืคืจ ืืฉืืขืืจืื, in ืฉืืขืืจืื ืืกืคืจ ืืชื ืื is brought down, a letter sent from the Rebbe ืืืื a certain ืขื ืื the ืืืืขืจ ืจืื'ืก in ืชื ืื, but he says anything bigger than the size is not part of the ืืฆืื. ืืืฉื, a person the ืฉืืขืืจ of ืฆืืฆืืช is ื''ื ืืืืืื, 12 ืืืืืื. So one guy's going to say, well, I'm going to have long ืฆืืฆืืช like this. It's not part of the ืืฆืื, there's nothing, nothing to it. It's only an outside thing of the ืืฆืื. That's from the outside ืฉืืขืืจ. So ืืืืืจื, what's the ืขื ืื of having a bigger ืืชืจืื? If the ืฉืืขืืจ is a ืฉืืขืืจ That's the ืฉืืขืืจ. So what, you have more? Is anything anything extra there, more? Like I once heard from somebody, he said, that he was pretty fat, he said, \"You know why I'm fat? Because I'm ื ืื ืืื, another piece of ืืื. Every, the ืืืฃ ืืฉืจืื ืงืืืฉ, if there's more like this there's 150 lbs of ืืื, there's 180 lbs of ืืื, it's a big...\" Same, is there more ืืื to it because of that? Here, is there more ืืชืจืื if you have If that's the ืฉืืขืืจ, that's the ืฉืืขืืจ. So the ืืฉื ื ืืจืืจื says, the ืืฉื ื ืืจืืจื, ืฉืืืื ืขืจืื, says a ืืขื ืืืืช'ืืฉืข reason, that you should buy bigger because you know, after a while it gets ืืืื ืืขืฉืจืืืคื, what's it called, shrinks, so it might lose the ืฉืืขืืจ. It's not ืืฉืืข here that it's because of that. It's ืืฉืืข that it's a ืืื. So ืืืืืจื, what's the ืืื ืืื? If you add to it, it makes it, no, make it look bigger, you have more of the ืืฆืื, but not more in the ืืืื of the ืืฆืื. Now, if ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืฆืื, then there's no ืขื ืื in having a bigger ืืชืจืื or any longer ืฆืืฆืืช. If ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืืจื, so it could be, yeah, that even something from the outside, you could also, the outside you could also do that. So you have a ืืฆืื. Now, this could be the ืืืืืงืช between ืชืืกืคืืช and ืจืฉืดื. ืจืฉืดื says that what is the ืขื ืื of ืืืืืจ here that the ืืืจื talks about, it's ืคืฉืื ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื. It doesn't accept the fact that you make a bigger ืืชืจืื. There's no such thing as a bigger ืืชืจืื according to ืจืฉืดื, because ืจืฉืดื goes that the ืขื ืื of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืฆืื. If it's a ืืื in the ืืฆืื, then it could only be in ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื, but not in size. ืชืืกืคืืช ืืขืจื ื that the ืืืจ of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืืจื, in the person, and therefore ืชืืกืคืืช ืืขืจื ื, you make it bigger, it also has a And this will have an effect on another thing.
What is the reason that the ืื ืื ืืืดื, we don't have ื ืื ืกืืื? Why don't we have these designs in the ืกืืื, decorations of the ืกืืื? So the ืจืื once spoke about it. And the ื ืงืืื the ืจืื said was that it's, again, not in the ืืืจื. He says, \"What's the ืขื ืื? What's nice? The ืกืืื is nice. ืืืื, if you say you want to have nice walls, the the wall, the ืกืื is nicer, so the ืืฆืื is nicer, that makes sense. But to put on a decoration, so it's the decoration that's nice. It's not the ืืฆืื. So what's the big ืขื ืื? That's why we don't do it.\" And the ืจืื even asked, \"ืื, we know that in the ืืืจื it's mentioned that ืชื ืืื, ืืืืจืืื, they had ื ืื ืกืืื.\" It's very simple. They were such great people, to them, the decoration on its own had no meaning. So to them, the decoration was ืืื to the ืกืืื. So it decorated the ืกืืื. But to us, the decoration in itself is nice. So to us, it's a side thing outside of the ืกืืื, so there's no ืขื ืื. And he even brought an example where we find that sometimes you can be ืืืื, sometimes not. The example is like this: the ืกืืื, if a ืกืืื, the ืกืื is higher than the floor more than 20 ืืื, you can't sit in the ืกืืื. So the ืขืฆื it gives, the ืืืจื, ืฉืืืื ืขืจืื, make the floor higher. It says you can take straw and being pile up on the floor, and the floor gets higher, now there is less than 20 ืืืืช, it's ืืฉืจ. It says, \"But if a guy's going to say, 'Okay, you know what? When I sit down to eat, I'll take my pillows out of the house, and I'll put them on the floor, and I'll sit on top of that.' That's not ืืฉืจ. Why? Because the pillows you're not ืืืื to the floor. But the straw, you are ืืืื.\" So there is a thing of an outside thing, but if you have in your mind you're ืืืื it, and you're putting it, so it becomes part of So by the ืชื ืืื, ืืืืจืืื, the decorations were is ืืื to the to the wall, became part of the wall, so then the ืกืืื is better. But to us, not. But what does this all come out? This ืืืืืจื fits if we're going to hold that it's a ืืื in the ืืคืฆื, a ืืื in the ืืฆืื. So it comes out that this would fit more to ืจืฉืดื, that it's a ืืื in the ืืฆืื. So that's why we, based on this, according to our opinion, we accept that. And we see also we don't, there's nothing wrong in having a silver ืืชืจืื box, but there's no ืขื ืื in it. What's the ืจืืื there is no ืขื ืื in our ืื ืื? The ืจืืื, the ืจืื didn't have it. If there would be an ืขื ืื, a good ืขื ืื, the ืจืื would have it. A a ืืืืื case, so the ืจืื in later years someone gave him a present, he used it, but like this, it wasn't ืืืชืืืื ืืืืืจื. If it's a ืืืืืจ to have a All these things, we don't have an ืขืืจื on our ืืืืช. We don't have a silver ืงืขืจื. Even a ืืชืจ on the ืกืคืจ ืชืืจื is a new thing from ืชืฉืดื that the ืจืื, ืืฉืื'ืก ืกืคืจ ืชืืจื and then it's But like this ืืืืืืืืืืฉ never had this. Why? Because it seems like ืืืืืืืืืืฉ follows the ืฉืืื that it's a ืืื in the ืืฆืื, outside it's not. The only thing that is left to me Because that's a ืืืืืจ in the ืืฆืื. ืคืืจืงืขืจื, that's a that's the best example! Big ืชืคืืืื, because the ืชืคืืืื are bigger! It's no and there's no, there's a ืืืืืจ in in ืืืื because it has to be, but there's a ืฉืืขืืจ. There's a ืืืืืงืช what the ืฉืืขืืจ is, and there's a ืืืืืจ to have a bigger ืฉืืขืืจ, so there there is a ืืืืืจ. But in in other things when it's an outside thing, not. The only ืฉืืื is the ืืชืจืื, where it seems, it's not written anywhere, but it seems that by us we're ืืืืจ in getting a bigger, everyone wants a big ืืชืจืื. Now we're saying if the
ืฉืืขืืจ is a ืฉืืขืืจ and the bigger doesn't make it any more ืืฆืื, so what's the ืขื ืื? So could be that in this the ืจืื learns like the ืื ืฉื ืฉืืื. The ืื ืฉื ืฉืืื learns we just I mentioned in ืชืืกืคืืช, there is a special ืืื in ืืชืจืื. So maybe he learns like ืืขืฆื ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืฆืื, and therefore, in in in making bigger like longer ืฆืืฆืืช is nothing. In ืืชืจืื is a special ืืื, ืืืจ or whatever, it's fitting to make it bigger, that's why. But ืืขืฆื what we accept is that the ืขื ืื of ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื is a ืืื in the ืืฆืื and not a ืืื in the ืืืจื. It's nothing to do with ืืืื ื, we're talking about ืืืืืจ now. No, ืืืื ื could be either way. ืืืื ื is Well, according to that, but what are you saying? That it's not a ืฉืืื, what are you saying? It's part of, it's a ืืื in the ืืืจื, it's a What? To be ืืืฆื the ืืฆืื. ืืืืืจ ืืฆืื. No, I'm saying walking, walking Walking further. Walking further Yeah. is, it's considered a ืืืื ื of doing that ืืฆืื. No. You, you said before that you don't have that ืืืื ื,