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KESUBOS (IYUN)

Kesubos 5b โ€” Iyun

Psik Reisha and the Unintended Melacha

Part of Kesubos (Iyun)

A difficult Shabbos sugya on an action that inevitably causes a forbidden result even without intending it, the Magid Mishnah's rule on an unintentional tikkun k'li, and Rav Shimon and Rav Yehuda's dispute over psik reisha.

Audio Transcript
Introducing the tough Gemara passage

The ืขื ื™ืŸ today, the Gemara itself is a hard Gemara, so I think half of the time will go away just to explain what the Gemara says. Okay, let's just learn the Gemara in here on ื“ืฃ ื”' ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘' in Kesubot. ืื™ื‘ืขื™ื ืœื”ื•: They asked a question, ืžื”ื• ืœื‘ืขื•ืœ ื‘ืชื—ืœื” ื‘ืฉื‘ืช? Are you allowed to do the first ื‘ืขื™ืœื” on Shabbos, Friday night? And the question, the Gemara will explain the detail of the question, of the two sides. Do we say ื“ื ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, ืื™ ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ื—ื‘ืจ? Is the blood that you make come out, is it ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, is it gathered in one place and all you have to do, like Rashi explains, is basically by opening an opening, making an opening, and the blood comes out? Cuz when the first ื‘ืขื™ืœื” from ื“ื ื‘ืชื•ืœื™ื, when she's a ื‘ืชื•ืœื” and you break the ื‘ืชื•ืœื™ื, it bleeds. And the ืฉืืœื” is, how does the blood come out? Is it that the blood is there in one area, gathered together, like a bubble and you have blood in it, and all you're doing is opening the making an opening, and the blood comes out? Or ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ื—ื‘ืจ, is the blood connected to the flesh? And the difference is, if it's ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ื—ื‘ืจ, then you have a ืžืœืื›ื”. By doing it, you do the ืžืœืื›ื” of ื—ื‘ื•ืจื”. What's ื—ื‘ื•ืจื”? ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” is when you make someone bleed. No, that's when you make someone You have a wound, but you make someone bleed, with a wound. This is a ืžืœืื›ื” of ื—ื‘ื•ืจื”. Tosafot although goes into what under what category of ืžืœืื›ื” this will go, ื ื˜ื™ืœืช ื ืฉืžื” or ืฆื•ื‘ืข or whatever, but this is a ืžืœืื›ื”. But that ืžืœืื›ื” is only if the blood is part of the flesh and it and comes out, that's ื—ื‘ื•ืจื”. So that's the Gemara ืฉืืœื”: this specific blood that comes out by a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”, is it ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“? Then it's not ืืกื•ืจ on Shabbos, because you're not making ื—ื‘ื•ืจื”, there is no ืžืœืื›ื”. Huh? What like? Like a boil, pus. What's it? Well, that the Gemara already brings as an example, yeah, that you can take the pus out. But anyway, that's the whole idea. But if it's a ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ื—ื‘ืจ, if it's gathered, if it's together with ืžื—ื•ื‘ืจ together with the flesh, then it's ืืกื•ืจ. That's the beginning of the question. Then the Gemara continues, ื•ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ื“ื ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, even if we are going to say that the ื“ื is in one place, gathered together, and therefore there is no melachah, but there could be another melachah. The problem is you're making a ืคืชื—. You're making an opening, you're making a door. Making a door is a melachah on Shabbos, and the way Rashi learns here, the melachah is the melachah of ื‘ื ื™ืŸ, building. ืื™ื™, it's talking by a body, so Rashi says that there is such a thing A little later Rashi explains it in more detail, there is such a thing as ื‘ื ื™ืŸ by a by a ื’ื•ืฃ. He quotes a pasuk: ื•ื™ื‘ืŸ ืืช ื”ืฆืœืข. When Hashem made Chava, the pasuk uses the expression ื•ื™ื‘ืŸ, He built. So, we see from there that there is a melachah, a ื’ื“ืจ of ื‘ื ื™ืŸ in a ื’ื•ืฃ. And therefore, opening a ืคืชื— is a ื‘ื ื™ืŸ. So even if we're going to hold, the Gemara says, that as far as the ื“ื is concerned there's no melachah, we still have a ืฉืืœื”: Do we say ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ื•ืฉืจื™, that when a person does it, what his interest is to get the ื“ื, and since that's his kavanah, that's not a ืžืœืื›ื”, ื“ื™ืœืžื ืœืคืชื— ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ื•ืืกื™ืจ? Or maybe what the person is interested in is really making the ืคืชื—? And if his kavanah is to make the ืคืชื—, then even though as far as the ื“ื is concerned there is no melachah, but there's another melachah, the melachah of making a ืคืชื—. But only when would that be ืืกื•ืจ? If he's ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, if you intend to do it. Then the Gemara continues: ื•ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš, even if you're going to say that the kavanah is for the ื“ื, ื•ืคืชื— ืžืžื™ืœื ืงืืชื™, the fact that you make a ืคืชื—, that's by itself, that happens without your intent, ื”ืœื›ื” ื›ืจื‘ื™ ืฉืžืขื•ืŸ ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ืžื•ืชืจ, ืื• ื”ืœื›ื” ื›ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื” ื“ืืžืจ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ืืกื•ืจ? How do we pasken? Do we pasken like Rabbi Yehuda or like Rabbi Shimon? There's a machloket Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon by ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, that if you do something which is mutar, but in the meantime something else which is asur will happen because of what you did, are you allowed to do it? So Rabbi Yehuda says it's asur. And Rabbi Shimon says ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ is mutar. And that will be the question here, too. If you intend the blood, main you your main kavanah is for the dam, and therefore your kavanah is for something that's mutar, because now we're going according to the sevara that the dam is ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, so it's your kavanah is mutar, but in the meantime while you're doing it, the ืคืชื— will open, so you will have been doing the melachah of ืคืชื—, but you weren't ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ for the ืคืชื—. So the melachah is a ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, and the ืฉืืœื” is, do we pasken like Rabbi Yehuda that ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ is asur, or do we pasken like ืžื•ืชืจ ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื” ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ืžื•ืชืจ? ืจื‘ื™ ืฉืžืขื•ืŸ, ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ืžื•ืชืจ. ื•ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ, now the Gemara goes a step further, even if we're going to say ื”ืœื›ื” ื›ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื”, that halachah is like ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื”, ืžืงืœืงืœ ื”ื•ื ืืฆืœ ืคืชื—, ืื™ ืžืชืงืŸ ื”ื•ื ืืฆืœ ืคืชื—? When he does make the ืคืชื—, and since we're possibly going now according to Rabbi Yehuda it's assur because ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ is assur, but is it called a ืงืœืงื•ืœ, or is it called a ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ? ืงืœืงื•ืœ is a spoiling, something ruining, ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ is good, it's something fixing, something good. And the question is, we know that the the rule is that if you do a ืžืœืื›ื” on Shabbos, but you're a ืžืงืœืงืœ, you're ืคื˜ื•ืจ. If the ืžืœืื›ื” that you do is a ืงืœืงื•ืœ, if you're doing a you're tearing open, you'll be breaking something. If you're breaking something through the ืžืœืื›ื”, the ืžืœืื›ื” is not assur. Now, even if we'll say that there's a ืžืœืื›ื” here because you're opening a ืคืชื—, but the Gemara is the ืคืชื— a ืงืœืงื•ืœ or is it a ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ? Do we look at it the fact that they open a ืคืชื— is a ืงืœืงื•ืœ? Rashi says why would it be a ืงืœืงื•ืœ? Because now you're, by opening a ืคืชื—, you're changing her status from being a ื‘ืชื•ืœื” to being a ื‘ืขื•ืœื”, which lowers her ืžื“ืจื™ื’ื”, so it's a ืงืœืงื•ืœ. On the other hand, by the fact you're making into a ื‘ืชื•ืœื”, into a ื‘ืขื•ืœื”, and you're the one The Gemara says Tosafos brings earlier that a woman gives her her is is is ื›ื•ืจืช ื‘ืจื™ืช, she gives her confidence to somebody who made her into a ื›ืœื™. The first the person who gave made the first ื‘ื™ืื” made her a ื›ืœื™. Anyway, so there is a ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ in making this ืคืชื—. So, if it's a ืงืœืงื•ืœ, then even if you ืคืกืงืŸ like Rabbi Yehuda, a ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืืกื•ืจ, but it still would be mutar because it's a kilkul. On the other hand, if you say it's a tikun, and if you pasken like Rabbi Yehuda, it would be assur. That's the first way the Gemara puts the question. Then the Gemara goes on to the second ืื™ื›ื ื“ืืžืจื™, another way, which let's not discuss it now, it's going to be too confusing, and that's not what This is all if you're interested in the dam, not the petach, and the dam itself is no problem because it's ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“. Tosafos goes into what would be his purpose of wanting the dam, so Tosafos has two pshatim, it's machloket Rabbeinu Tam and the Ri. One is according to Rabbeinu Tam, he wants the dam out, so next time there shouldn't be dam. And the other one is he wants to see, ืชืงื™, if she's a betulah or not, so he needs the dam to see. Anyway, that's there's a whole difference of ื”ืœื›ื•ืช ืœื’ื‘ื™ these two pshatim, but this is not Then the Gemara goes into a second way of asking the question: If we're going to hold ื“ื ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ื—ื‘ืจ? And the Gemara also has a whole list of what the question will be, ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ you say this, if you say that. But what we're going to discuss is only this. This is the Gemara's discussion now. Comes Rashi and asks a kashya. The Gemara said like this: If his kavanah is the dam, and dam is ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, there is no issur. Only issur possible is because a petach is being made, but it's an ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ. So it'll depend whether we pasken like Rabbi Yehuda or like Rabbi Shimon. According to Rabbi Yehuda it would be assur, according to Rabbi Shimon mutar. Comes Rashi and he says ื•ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ื•ืื ืชืืžืจ, Rashi asks a kasha, ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื ื•ืœื ื™ืžื•ืช? It's a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื. The rule of ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื is that if you do something that's mutar, and in the meantime something that's asur will happen, which we said is a machloket between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon, but if the melachah that's asur must happen, not could happen, but must happen, then even Rabbi Shimon agrees that it's asur, that it's chayav. Lemashal, the case is like this: The classical machloket between Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon is when someone is taking over a ื›ื™ืกื, ืžื™ื˜ื”, ื•ืกืคืกืœ, a chair. There's a chair standing here, you want to take the chair over there. Now to take the chair over there, you just schlep it there. If the floor is a floor made of sand, by schlepping it, it might make a ื—ืจื™ืฅ. It'll scrape make a a scrape into the in the ground, and that's a ืžืœืื›ื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, that's the melachah of ื—ืจื™ืฉื”, digging into the ground. And that's where the classical machloket this is. But he's not intending, he doesn't need it. He doesn't not intend he's not His kavanah is not to make that ื—ืจื™ืฅ, but the ื—ืจื™ืฅ might happen. So, Rabbi Yehuda says, you can't do it. If you make the ื—ืจื™ืฅ, you'll be chayav. And Rabbi Shimon says, no, since that's not what your kavanah is, it's okay, it's mutar. But Rabbi Shimon says if the chair happens to be a heavy one, that when you carry it, it must make the ื—ืจื™ืฅ, there's no way it won't, then he also says you're chayav. The teitch ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื ื•ืœื ื™ืžื•ืช means chop off the head, it shouldn't die. The Rambam gives an example: Someone says, I want the head of a chicken to give to my little boy to play with, so I'll chop off the head of the chicken, but I don't want it to die. My kavanah is just to take of that, but I don't I'm not going for to kill it. So, I'm not chayav because He says, no. What do you mean? You chopped off the head, it dies. It's a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, that's called ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื. So, Rashi asks here, what does the Gemara say here? That if his kavanah is for the ื“ื, but the ืคืชื— is going to happen anyway, so according to Rabbi Shimon there is no problem, the problem's only according to Rabbi Yehuda. So, Rashi says, it's a pesik reisha, because if you're going to make the dam, you'll definitely have the ืคืชื—. It must make the ืคืชื—. If it must make the ืคืชื—, it's a pesik reisha. So, even according to Rabbi Shimon, this should be asur. So, Rashi says, ื”ื ืคืจื›ื™ื ืŸ, says like this: ื”ื ืคืจื›ื™ื ืŸ ืœื” ืœืงืžืŸ, the Gemara later asks a question, ื•ืžืฉื ื™ื ืŸ, and the Gemara answers, ื™ืฉ ื‘ืงื™ืื™ืŸ ื‘ื”ื˜ื™ื”, there are people who know how to do it in a special way, ื”ื˜ื™ื” means some curvy way, some special way, ื“ืื™ืŸ ื“ื ื™ื•ืฆื ื•ืืฃ ืื™ืŸ ืคืชื— ื ืคืชื—, that some people could do it that there should be no dam and there should be no ืคืชื—. ื”ืœื›ืš ืœืื• ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื ื•ืœื ื™ืžื•ืช ื”ื•ื, it's not a pesik reisha, because it's possible that you shouldn't have the ืคืชื—. The whole kushya was it must make the ืคืชื—. ืคืชื—, so like Rashi said, it's possible not to have the dam and not to have the ืคืชื—. Wait, but only that if you not have the dam? Well, this is what Rashi says. Tosafot asks the same kushya. Usually Tosafot does not ask the same kushya as Rashi and give the same terutz, because Tosafot saw Rashi, Tosafot doesn't repeat it. Whenever Tosafot asks the same kushya and gives a terutz which is similar, you know for sure that it's something else. Tosafot asks the kushya here on the same thing. The Gemara says, ืื™ ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš ืคืฉื™ื˜ื, if he needs the ื“ื, it's ืžื•ืชืจ according to ืจื‘ื™ ืฉืžืขื•ืŸ, ื•ืื™ ืชื™ืžื ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื™ื” ื•ืœื ื™ืžื•ืช ืคืชื—, same kushya, it's a pesik reisha, the ืคืชื— must happen, ื•ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื˜ื•ืช ื”ื“ื ื‘ืœื ืขืฉื™ื™ืช ืคืชื—. So, he says we must say that it's possible to have ื“ื without ืคืชื—. That's what Tosafos says. Comes the Maharsha and says that Tosafos is not like Rashi. Tosafos makes sense. The kushya was your kavanah is for the ื“ื. What is the melachah that's going to happen? The ืคืชื—. So, the kushya was, if you have ื“ื, you must have a ืคืชื—, so it's a pesik reisha. So, Tosafos says it's not true. You could have ื“ื without ืคืชื—. So, who says it's a pesik reisha? Pesik reisha means that if you're going to do the ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืžื•ืชืจ, it must make the ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืืกื•ืจ. It's not true. Rashi didn't say that. Rashi said that if people could do ื”ื˜ื™ื”, ื•ืื™ืŸ ื“ื ื™ื•ืฆื ื•ืื™ืŸ ืคืชื— ื ืคืชื—, ื•ืืฃ ืื™ืŸ ืคืชื— ื ืคืชื—. That means that there is no ื“ื and no ืคืชื—. In other words, you could make that there should be no ื“ื and no ืคืชื—, but Rashi didn't say that you could make there should be ื“ื and there should not be ืคืชื—. It's mashma that if you have ื“ื, you must have ืคืชื—. So, what kind of terutz is it? It's not a terutz, because we're talking now in the case ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš, so he's looking for the ื“ื. If he's looking for the ื“ื, you can't have, you must have ืคืชื—, so it's a pesik reisha. So, if you're going to do the ื“ื, you're going to have, it's a pesik reisha. What is Rashi's answer? But the Pnei Yehoshua says that Rashi didn't mean that. Rashi meant either/or. Rashi says you could do ื”ื˜ื™ื” ื•ืื™ืŸ ื“ื ื™ื•ืฆื, you could make ื”ื˜ื™ื” ื“ื shouldn't come out, ื•ืืฃ ืื™ืŸ ืคืชื— ื ืคืชื—, or you could do ื”ื˜ื™ื” that ืคืชื— won't open, that ื“ื will come and ืคืชื— won't, which is exact like Tosafot. But that's not the ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืคืฉื˜ in Rashi. If you look at Rashi, Rashi makes it very clear that why is it not a pesik reisha, because you could have ื“ื, you could have that it should be no ื“ื and no ืคืชื—. Comes the Ritva, and the Ritva says, I'll explain Rashi. He says like this: Being that it's possible to make ื”ื˜ื™ื” that there won't be ื“ื and won't be ืคืชื—, you never know this guy who's not going to do ื”ื˜ื™ื”, because ื”ื˜ื™ื” is a special art, he's not going to do ื”ื˜ื™ื”, but you can never know, it might turn out to be ื”ื˜ื™ื”. Since it's a possibility, it might turn out. So, what might happen? That there might not be a ืคืชื—. So, it's not a pesik reisha. The whole kushya is it's a pesik reisha because what you're doing must make a ืคืชื—, so he says, no, since there could be ื”ื˜ื™ื”, and ein hachi nami if ื”ื˜ื™ื” will happen, you won't have ื“ื either. But ืœืคื•ืขืœ, you won't have ื“ื, you won't have ืคืชื—. So, now we can't say if ืคืชื— is a pesik reisha, which is very hard to understand, because if that's going to happen, you won't have the ื“ื. In other words, you won't, so you won't do a ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืžื•ืชืจ either. The whole question is you're looking for the ื“ื. If you make the ื“ื, the ืคืชื— must come, must be. According to Rashi it seems that you can't have ื“ื without ืคืชื—. So, what's the answer, you might not make ื“ื? Okay, if you don't make ื“ื, who's talking about it? Our whole kushya is if you're going to make the ื“ื, are you allowed to go do the ื“ื? And the reason why you're allowed to is because it's not a ืžืœืื›ื”, ื“ื is not a ืžืœืื›ื”, it's ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“. ืื™ the ืคืชื—, it's ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ. What do you mean ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, but it's a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื™ื”! What, it's hard to understand the the Ritva's teirutz, because after all, the ื“ื must have make ืคืชื—. According to Tosafot, it's very good, and not according to Rashi. Then there are more kushyot here, a whole bunch of more kushyot. But let me just give, well, one more kushya, a major kushya, maybe there's another kushya in Rashi. The first question was, is ื“ื ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“? Is the ื“ื just gathered in one place, or ื—ื‘ื•ืจื” ืžื™ืขื‘ื“? ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ื“ื ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, now, if you say ื“ื ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, so, as far as the ื“ื is concerned, it's ืžื•ืชืจ. So, but depends if that's your, if that's what you're looking for. If you're ืžื›ื•ื•ืŸ for the ื“ื, it's ืžื•ืชืจ. If ืœืคืชื— ื”ื•ื ืฆืจื™ืš, if you're intending for the ืคืชื—, then even though the ื“ื is ืžืคืงื“ ืคืงื™ื“, it's still ืืกื•ืจ for a different melachah, for the melachah of ืคืชื—. That's what the Gemara says. Why didn't the Gemara right then, then and there on the spot, ask: Are you so sure it's going to be asur if he intends for the ืคืชื—? Depends if it's a ืžืงืœืงืœ or a ืžืชืงืŸ. The thing that the Gemara does at the end, after the Gemara says if you're intending the ื“ื and the ืคืชื— happens also, eino mitkaven, if we paskan like Rabbi Yehuda, it's asur. But it depends, maybe it's a ืžืงืœืงืœ! Why didn't the Gemara ask right at the beginning? When the Gemara said that if you're interested in the ืคืชื—, it's for sure asur, nothing to do with Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon, because it's a mitkaven, you are mechaven to make a ืคืชื—, and that's a melachah, and that's asur. Hold on a minute. How do you know it's asur? Maybe it's a ืžืงืœืงืœ! So, why didn't the Gemara right on the spot over there ask that maybe it's a ืžืงืœืงืœ? The Gemara didn't do that. There, the Gemara said for sure if you, if you are mechaven to the ืคืชื—, it's asur. If you mechaven to the ื“ื, then, then it might be mutar according to Rabbi Shimon, and it's asur according to Rabbi Yehuda, but even according to Rabbi Yehuda, if you're a ืžืงืœืงืœ, it's mutar. Why didn't the Gemara say that right in the beginning? That's the kashya the Ritva asks, the Rashba asks. And the Rashba says, I'll tell you. This mekalkel here, he says, is not a real mekalkel. It's a mekalkel and a metaken together. The one that we're talking about, making the ืคืชื—, even when the Gemara feels it's a mekalkel, the Gemara knows it's not a real mekalkel. It's a mekalkel from one side, but it's a metaken from another side. It does good because, like we said, it makes her into, gives her, she has a ื›ืจื™ืชืช ื‘ืจื™ืช to the one that does the, makes her into a ื›ืœื™. So there is a tikun for sure. So therefore, if you are mechaven for the ืคืชื—, we don't care if it's a ืงืœืงื•ืœ, it's still assur. Because even if you're, even if it's a ืงืœืงื•ืœ, but since there is some tikun here and you are mechaven to it, it's assur. The only time the Gemara felt a mekalkel should be mutar, if you're not mechaven to it. And the only reason that would be assur is because it's eino mitkaven is assur according to Rabbi Yehuda. Then the Gemara felt if it's an eino mitkaven and you're a mekalkel, even though it's not a 100% mekalkel, it might be still mutar. But lechatchila the Gemara doesn't say it. Which is also not so simple to understand, because after all, according to Rabbi Yehuda, eino mitkaven and mitkaven is the same thing. According to Rabbi Yehuda, eino mitkaven is assur. So obviously, according to Rabbi Yehuda, mitkaven and eino mitkaven is the same thing. And therefore, if by eino mitkaven we said ืžืงืœืงืœ will make it ืžื•ืชืจ, by a ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, according to Rabbi Yehuda at least, you should also be ืžื•ืชืจ. I think we can say before, the Gemara wasn't talking according to Rabbi Yehuda. So you could explain what he's saying, but keep in mind what the Ritva says because that's going to be ื ื•ื’ืข to what it's going to say later, that the Ritva's vort is that before, when you are ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ, he says then even if it would be ืžืงืœืงืœ, it would be ืืกื•ืจ. Only when you are ืื™ื ื• ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ on the ืคืชื— and according to Rabbi Yehuda, it's ืืกื•ืจ, but then if you're a ืžืงืœืงืœ. Then there's another thing: Rashi, when the Gemara says like this: ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, if the beginning, if he wants the ื“ื and not the ืคืชื—, then according to Rabbi Shimon, what would be? Would be ืžื•ืชืจ because you're not ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ to the ืคืชื—, it's an ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, and it's ืžื•ืชืจ. On the other hand, according to Rabbi Yehuda, it would be ืืกื•ืจ. So Rashi says, ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ื•ืœื ืœืคืชื—, ืžื™ื”ื•, ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš ืคืชื—ื ืžืžื™ืœื ื”ื•ื™, but ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš the ืคืชื— happens. Why does Rashi say that? Later Rashi asks the ืงืฉื™ื of ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, but here the point should not be the ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš, here the point should be that even though a ืคืชื— will happen, but that's not your ื›ื•ื•ื ื”. The stress should be the other way. Rashi stresses, but ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš the... Why is that important to stress here? Rashi should say we disregard the ืคืชื—. Then Rashi will ask a kashya why it's a pesik reisha. But in the point before where the Gemara wants to say it's mutar, the Gemara says if he's mechaven to the ื“ื and not the ืคืชื—, it's mutar. So Rashi should say even though the ืคืชื— happens, but Rashi didn't do that. Rashi says ืื ืชืžืฆื™ ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื“ื ื”ื•ื ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ ื•ืœื ืœืคืชื—, ื•ืžื™ื”ื•, but ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš, ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš it's going to happen. Why does Rashi put it in there? ืขืœ ื›ืจื—ืš here just means it's forced, right? Forced. No, no, no, it's definitely going to happen. But that, if anything, that's a stress to the other direction. That's a stress to the reason of being assur. And Rashi will takeh ask. But why does Rashi stress it here in this Rashi where he tries to explain why it's called an eino mechaven and it's mutar? He should have said that because you're not mechaven to the ืคืชื—, you're just mechaven to the ื“ื, so even though the ืคืชื— is going to happen, but you're not mechaven. Rashi doesn't say that. Rashi says you're not mechaven to the ื“ื, but you should know that the ืคืชื— is going to happen. Why is that important to stay to know that the ืคืชื— is going to happen? Anyway, just there is the Alter Rebbe here in Shulchan Aruch, right, speaks about this din in ืกื™ืžืŸ ืจืดืค. And he has a different peshat in the Gemara than Rashi. But from what he says, you could understand, we could come up with a peshat in Rashi. He comes and goes into the whole sugya here. And

What kind of melacha is making a petch?

according to the Alter Rebbe, it comes out here that what melacha would it be if he would make a ืคืชื—? Because we see the discussion is, making the ืคืชื— is a melacha. The whole she'eilah is, is he ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ to the melacha, an ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ to the melacha, is it a psik reisha, but the melacha is ืคืชื—. What melacha is making a ืคืชื—? So we said Rashi learns the melacha is binyan, building, making a door, like you make a door. Making a ืคืชื— goes with binyan. The Alter Rebbe learns that the melacha here of ืคืชื— is ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, to make a kli. That's not a specific melacha, that falls under the category of ืžื›ื” ื‘ืคื˜ื™ืฉ. ืžื›ื” ื‘ืคื˜ื™ืฉ is banging with a hammer. The last of the thirty-nine melachot is ืžื›ื” ื‘ืคื˜ื™ืฉ. It's actually not the last, but it's one of the... Banging with a hammer doesn't, that means, there's nothing wrong, there's no melacha of banging with a hammer. If you take a hammer and bang it, the hammer might be muktzeh, but the meaning is when a craftsman makes a kli, after everything is finished, the last finishing touch, after everything is done, gives a bang, that is the end. So there is a melacha called ื’ืžืจ ื›ืœื™, making a kli, finishing a kli. That's called the melacha of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, which is a category of ืžื›ื” ื‘ืคื˜ื™ืฉ. So making a ืคืชื—. The Alter Rebbe says it's ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. Does that last bang actually do anything constructive, or practical to the kli, or is it Even if it doesn't. But if that's the way it's done, doesn't matter. If that's the way a craftsman finishes his kli, then that would be that would be the end. That would be the last thing you could do. Whatever the last thing is. Anything, whatever the last thing is. If a person binds a book in a way which is not a melacha, but when he makes the last little thing that will make it into a book, that's the ืžืœืื›ื” ื“ืื•ืจื™ื™ืชื, that's called ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, ื’ืžืจ ื›ืœื™, ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. Is it because you now have a new thing that wasn't finished until ืฉื‘ืช? Whatever the, you find all kinds of reasons, yeah, yeah. But this is a melacha. So making a ืคืชื—, the Alter Rebbe says, is ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, you are making the ื›ืœื™. And in this case also it's ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. So the Alter Rebbe says the Alter Rebbe ืคืกืงื 'ืก ืœื”ืœื›ื” at the end of the Gemara that you're allowed to do the first ื‘ืขื™ืœื” ื‘ืฉื‘ืช. And he says, \"What about ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™?\" So, he has all kinds of things here, but one of the things he says, ื•ื”ื ื“ืืกืจื• ืœืคืชื•ื— ืคืชื— ืžืฉื•ื ืœืชืงืŸ ื›ืœื™, the reason you can't make this ืคืชื— is because of you're making a ื›ืœื™, ื›ืžื• ืฉื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ื‘ืกื™ืžืŸ ืฉืดื›ืดื—. So this is what he says: ื•ื›ืฉืื™ืŸ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืคืชื— ื–ื”, and if you don't need the ืคืชื—, ืื™ืŸ ื–ื” ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœืœ ื•ืœื ืขืฉื” ื›ืœื•ื. It's not ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ and you didn't do anything. ื•ื›ืžื• ืฉื™ื‘ื•ืืจ ืฉื, like he says there. And when we look what he says in ืกื™ืžืŸ ืฉืดื›ืดื—, he says here. I'll read it: ื›ื™ ืขื™ืงืจ ื—ื™ื•ื‘ื• ื”ื•ื ืžืฉื•ื ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื”ืžื›ื”, which is ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, ืื ื›ืŸ ื›ืฉืื™ืŸ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื–ื”, ื•ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœื•, when you don't need a ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ, and you're not ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ to it, ืืฃ ืฉื ืขืฉื” ืžืืœื™ื•, even though it's done by itself, ืื™ืŸ ื–ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœืœ, it's not called ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ, ื•ื”ืจื™ ื–ื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ืœื ืขืฉื” ื•ืœื ื›ืœื•ื. So you didn't do anything. What's the pshat here? You understand what the pshat here? This is all based on a Maggid Mishneh.

Megid Mishnahโ€™s rule on ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™ without intention

The Maggid Mishneh on the Rambam makes a klal, which is a very logical klal. He says that the melacha of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™ is different than any other melacha. By any melacha, and if you do something and the melacha happens by itself, not by itself, it happened, that would be called a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ. The melacha is done, but you're not Like the example with pulling the chair, you schlepp the chair from here to there and it makes a ื—ืจื™ืฅ. And you weren't miskaven to make the ื—ืจื™ืฅ. So what is it? You still make the ื—ืจื™ืฅ, you did a melacha. But since you did a melacha without kavana, mutar. ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ื‘ืฉื‘ืช, ืžืœืื›ืช ืžื—ืฉื‘ืช, whatever the reason is, mutar. Every melachah like that. ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, if you were not mitkaven to it, you didn't do the ืžืœืื›ื” ื‘ื›ืœืœ! And I'll explain the logic behind it. Every melachah has a certain ืฆื™ื•ืจ, certain description how it's done. Someone describes it. What is the form of doing the melachah of bishul? How would you explain? Very pashut. Take a pot, and you take raw cold water or raw a raw piece of chicken and you put it on the fire. That is the way you do the melachah of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ of of of bishul. How do you do the melachah of ketivah? Take a pen and you write a letter. That's ketivah. It has a ืฆื™ื•ืจ. Someone's asking, describe to me how do you do ืžืœืื›ืช ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™? Could be a billion ways. There's nothing, there's no ืฆื™ื•ืจ to the melachah. I could close the book. If that's the last thing you do when you make a book, closing the book is ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. If it's if it's banging with a hammer, it's banging with a hammer. There's no ืฆื™ื•ืจ to it. So if there's no ืฆื™ื•ืจ, closing a book is a ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืžื•ืชืจ. What makes into a melachah? The kavanah! If I'm not mitkaven, it's not the ืคืฉื˜ I did a melachah without kavanah. I did no melachah! That's what the Alter Rebbe says. And therefore, he says if the melachah of ืคืชื— here is ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, if you're mitkaven for the ื“ื and not for the ืคืชื—, so what is it? Not the ืคืฉื˜ it's a ืคืชื—, which is a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, it's ื‘ื›ืœืœ not a melachah! You didn't do anything because if you didn't mitkaven for ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, it's not a melachah. That's what the And the Maggid Mishneh goes ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš to that and says, according to this, you'll never be chayav according to Rabbi Shimon by ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. Because what's when does Rabbi Shimon say you're chayav by ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื? If the melachah was done, but ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ. So what happens? If it's a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, you're chayav, even though you were not ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ. But by ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, if you're not ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, you didn't do a melachah. So what was it, what's the ืคืฉื˜ ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื? ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, there is no melachah here! And therefore he says you would not be chayav by ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื according to Rabbi Shimon by ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. That's the Maggid Mishneh's ื›ืœืœ. ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื is when you do something it's mutar and a melachah is done. So if the melachah doesn't have to be done, it's ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, it's mutar. If the melachah has to be done, it's a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, You're chayav even according to Rabbi Shimon. But if the melachah happens to be ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, happens to be ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, can never be. No, there's no melachah, since ืœืคื•ืขืœ you were not ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ. If you're not ืžื›ื•ื™ืŸ, there is no melachah. So what's the pshat there is a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, and you should be chayav? Chayav for what? ืžื™ืœื according to Rabbi Yehuda, ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ is chayav. But the emet is that according to Rabbi Yehuda also, if according to Rabbi Yehuda if you're not mechaven by ืคืกื™ืง by ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, you would be patur also. According to According to the Maggid Mishneh. Because there is no melachah. When does Rabbi Yehuda say you're chayav? If you do a melachah, but the melachah is eino mechaven, you're chayav. But since you're not mechaven, there is no melachah. Can never be eino mechaven when it comes to ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. Right, so you're not chayav. That's what that says. I want to say a chiddush, a new a new peshat, that the Maggid Mishneh and the Alter Rebbe don't mean that we'll never say ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื by ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™. If there is a ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื by a ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, what it does is it makes the act from not a melachah into a melachah. If you were not mechaven for a certain melachah, for ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, it's not a melachah. But if the melachah has to happen, ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื, so the kavanah you had originally transfers to that melachah. The the kavanah you have, so then it turns it into a melachah. It does, not like we think from the Maggid Mishneh it doesn't. What the Maggid Mishneh means to say is it'll turn it into a melachah, but that it'll remain ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืœื ื‘ื›ื•ื•ื ื”. So we're saying it's not impossible to And you won't be chayav. It'll remain a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ. I'll explain this in a little better.

Rav Shimon on psik reisha and intent

When we say according to ืจื‘ื™ ืฉืžืขื•ืŸ ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื you're chayav, it's ืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, Rabbi Shimon holds eino mitkaven, and you were not mitkaven. The answer is very pashut. You were mitkaven to take it from let's the chair from here to there, you had kavanah, and you know that it must make a charitz, so the kavanah you have from here transfers on the thing that you were not mitkaven, and it's called kavanah. That's why you're chayav. It would have to happen. It would have to happen. So I want to say the same thing by ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, that since you know it's going to happen, you know that ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™ will happen, so there is kavanah there. And if there is, the kavanah from here transfers to there, and it turns into a melachah. But the kavanah doesn't do a double job. It can't turn it into a melachah and a ืžืœืื›ื” ื‘ื›ื•ื•ื ื”, a mitkaven. What it'll do is it'll turn it into a melachah, and it will remain a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ. It's a secondary thing and not a So it'll be patur, you'll still be it'll still be mutar. When the Maggid Mishneh says that there is no chiyuv according to Rabbi Shimon by ืคืกื™ืง ืจื™ืฉื ื“ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, so normally we learn since you were not mitkaven, it's not a melachah, and that's it, so there's no pesik reisha because there's no melachah. I'm saying the fact that it's pesik reisha does do one step. It changes it from not being a melachah if you wouldn't be a pesik reisha, because has no ื›ื•ื•ื ื” ืœืžืœืื›ื”. Since it's a pesik reisha, it becomes a melachah. But it doesn't do two things: that it should become number one a melachah, and a melachah with kavanah. If it's a melachah from before, by itself a melachah, then the pesik reisha transfers the kavanah to the melachah, and does what? Gives it kavanah, it's a melachah u'mitkaven. Without it, it is a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ, now it's a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ. So Rabbi Shimon says you're chayav. But if let's say something is not a ืžืœืื›ื” to begin with, so the pesik reisha will change it from not ืžืœืื›ื” to a ืžืœืื›ื”, but that's it. So Rabbi Shimon will hold it's still it's still mutar. And Rabbi Yehuda will say that you're chayav. Now it's asur. Now it's a

Rav Yehudaโ€™s view on psik reisha and melacha

ืžืœืื›ื”, and a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืœื ื‘ื›ื•ื•ื ื”, but according to Rabbi Yehuda, it's chayav. So the way this makes a difference is only according to Rabbi Yehuda, but then it gives it it Right. Right. But according to Rabbi Shimon, it makes a difference that it elevates it to the level of ืžืœืื›ื”. That's what that's what And that is noge'a to ื›ืžื” ืขื ื™ื ื™ื in the ื“ื™ืŸ of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™, which we might see in other places later on talk about it. This is ืคืฉื˜ there. This doesn't fit to Rashi, because Rashi doesn't learn that we're talking about the ืžืœืื›ื” of ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™ here. Rashi and the Gemara learn we're talking about the ืžืœืื›ื” of ืคืชื—. This logic that the Magid Mishneh says concerning ืชื™ืงื•ืŸ ื›ืœื™ could be said by other ืžืœืื›ื•ืช also. For instance, the Merkavat HaMishnah wants to say it by ืžืœืื›ืช ืฆื™ื“ื”. And it makes sense also. The Rabbi in a ืฉื™ื—ื” brings brings him back. Trapping. And the logic is there too. When you close the door of your house, is it a ืžืœืื›ื”? No. If there happens to be an animal there that like locking it up, you're not letting it out, you're over on ืžืœืื›ืช ืฆื™ื“ื”. So ืฆื™ื“ื” is also one of the things that if you have ื›ื•ื•ื ื”, it's a ืžืœืื›ื”. If you don't have ื›ื•ื•ื ื”, not the ืคืฉื˜ you did ืžืœืื›ืช ืฆื™ื“ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ. You didn't do melachah. You locked the door, you're not. The Rebbe brings ืจืื™ื•ืช from Gemarot that he's wrong. Merkavat HaMishneh is is is he brings ืจืื™ื•ืช from different ื“ื™ื ื™ื that it's not true, by ืฆื™ื“ื” we don't say that. That we don't say this This logic. In other words, ืฆื™ื“ื” is a is a melachah even without kavanah. It's a ืžืœืื›ื” ืฉืื™ื ื• ืžืชื›ื•ื™ืŸ. The Rebbe wants to say by ืงืฉื™ืจื”, by making a ืงืฉืจ ืฉืœ ืงื™ื™ืžื. You have to make a kesher, and mid'oraita you're only chayav if

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