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Family Yichus and a Pillar of Fire

Family Yichus and a Pillar of Fire

Part of Jewish History · 11:45

Stories of rabbinic family lineage -- Rav Ado's wife, Rabbi Yanai's son-in-law accompanied by a pillar of fire, and a marriage proposal complicated by questions of yichus.

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Vaad Hamesader and Blessing Cup Procedure

讚注专谞讗讱 讜讜注讟 诪注谉, 讚注专 专讘讬 讙注讘谉 讻讜住 砖诇 讘专讻讛, 讗讜谉 诪注谉 讝讗诇 讝讬讱 谞讬砖讟 砖讟讜驻谉, 讗讝讜讬 讛讗讟 讙注讛讬讬住谉 讚注专 谞讗讬 讛讜讜注讚 讛诪住讚专. The 专讘讬, after he finished, the 专讘讬 started repeating, 讚注专 住讚专 讜讜注讟 讝讬讬谉 讗讝讜讬, he copied his lashon. 驻专讬注专 讜讜注讟 讚注专 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 讙注讘谉 讗 讙讜讟 讬讗专... 讗 讙注... 驻专讬注专 讜讜注讟 诪注谉 讙注讘谉... 谞讗, 驻专讬注专 讜讜注讟 讚注专 讗讜讬讘注专砖讟注专 讙注讘谉 讗 讙讜讟 讬讗专, 谞讗讱 讻转讬讘讛 讜讞转讬诪讛 讟讜讘讛, 讚注专谞讗讱 讜讜注讟 诪注谉 诇注专谞注谉 转讜专讛 讗讜谉 讟讗谉 诪爪讜讜转. 讗讝讜讬 讛讗讟 讙注讛讬讬住谉 谞讗讬 讜注讚 讛诪住讚专, 注讟住 讛注专讟? He finished his lashon. Vaad Hamesader was the one to take care of Well, of the seder in the, by the 驻讗专讘专注谞讙注谞住. Okay. 讗讬讱 讚注谞拽 讗讝 专' 讬讜讞谞谉 驻诇注讙讟 讝讗讙谉, 讗讬爪讟注专 讜讜注讟 讝讬讬谉 讚注专 住讚专 讗讝讜讬, right? He used that word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still hear it today. Yeah, you told me. You told me, yeah. I still I still hear it today. Yeah.

Rabbi Yochanan Gordon Family Background

Rabbi' Yochanan Gordon who we saw the Sure. had a problem, Sure. Yeshua. What's that there Yeshua. on the video? Yeshua. No, Rabbi' Yochanan Gordon. Yeshua. Rabbi' Yochanan Gordon was It's like 讝讬讬讚注 讝讬讬谞注. Remember we saw Yeshua Binyamin Gordon? His son, right? He's a grandson. Rabbi' Yochanan Gordon was his grandfather. And his son was, you get Nisan Gordon, the writer. Nisan, 讝讬讬谉 讟讗讟注 is Shalom Ber Gordon. Nisan Gordon is 谞讬砖讟 He's a brother and 讝讬讬谉, 讚注专 Yeshua Binyamin, Yeshua is a 讝讜谉 驻讜谉 砖诇讜诐 讘注专 讙讗专讚讗谉. Right. 砖诇讜诐 讘注专 讙讗专讚讗谉'住 讘专讜讚注专, another son of Yochanan's is Nisan. Huh? Yeah. No, that Gordon is not, no. The Gordon written on top there, the Josh Gordon? Yeah. No, that's it's a different family. Okay, we're holding here that Gemara, after the Gemara. Yeah, after the people who want to change jobs. 讛住驻谞讬诐, these are the sailors, 讗讞转 诇砖砖讛 讞讚砖讬诐. Since they travel very far, so they're not home, so they have a right to have relations once in six months. 讚讘专讬 专讘讬 讗诇讬注讝专, that's what Rabbi Eliezer holds. His wife, that means intimacy. This we're talking about the obligation that you have, one of the three things, 砖讗专讛 讻住讜转讛 讜注讜谞转讛. So depending on your job, that's how much you have. So the person who has a job that's very far, so she can't expect to have it more than once six months. 讗诪专 专讘 讗讚讗 讘专 讗讛讘讛 讗诪专 专讘, 专讘 讗讚讗 讘专 讗讛讘讛 said in the name of 专讘, 讝讜 讚讘专讬 专讘讬 讗诇讬注讝专, this is 专讘讬 讗诇讬注讝专's opinion, 讗讘诇 讞讻诪讬诐 讗讜诪专讬诐, the 讞讻诪讬诐 say, 讛转诇诪讬讚讬诐 讬讜爪讗讬谉 诇诪诇讞诪转 转讜专讛 砖谞讬诐 讜砖诇砖 砖谞讬诐 砖诇讗 讘专砖讜转. See, before we learned 住驻谞讬诐 to do with sea? 住驻谉 is a is someone 住驻讬谞讛. He said sailors. 住驻讬谞讛. I said sailors. I translated it sailors. This that we said that 转诇诪讬讚讬诐 only could go out for a month without reshut and then if they if they do get the reshut it's also one month here, one month there, this is 专讘讬 讗诇讬注讝专's opinion, but 讞讻诪讬诐 hold 转诇诪讬讚讬诐, to learn 转讜专讛, could go for two, three years without permission of their wives. 讗诪专 专讘讗, 专讘讗 said, 住诪讻讜 专讘谞谉 注诇 讚专讘 讗讚讗 讘专 讗讛讘讛, the 专讘谞谉, certain 讞讻诪讬诐 relied on the opinion of 专讘 讗讚讗 讘专 讗讛讘讛 讜注讘讚讜 注讜讘讚讗 讘谞驻砖讬讬讛讜, and that's how they behaved, they takeh left to yeshivah without reshut from the wife for two, three years. 讻讬 讛讗 讚专讘 专讞讜诪讬, like a story, 专讘 专讞讜诪讬 讛讜讛 砖讻讬讞 拽诪讬讛 讚专讘讗 讘诪讞讜讝讗. He was he was by 专讘讗 in 诪讞讜讝讗. 讛讜讛 专讙讬诇 讚讛讜讛 讗转讬 诇讘讬转讜 讻诇 诪注诇讬 讬讜诪讗 讚讻驻讜专讬. He

Rav Ado's Wife Tragedy and Moral Lesson

would come home only once a year, Erev Yom Kippur. 讬讜诪讗 讞讚, one day, once, Well, when did he leave? Huh? When did he leave? And afterwards he would leave back. Yom Kippur, so yeah, ostensibly it was even nothing. No, maybe 诪讜爪讗讬 讬讜诐 讻讬驻讜专. Once, 诪砖讻转讬讛 砖诪注转讗, 注专讘 讬讜诐 讻讬驻讜专 he was learning and he got involved in his learning. 讛讜讛 诪住讻讬讗 讚讘讬转讛讜, his wife was waiting, saying 讛砖转讗 讗转讬, 讛砖转讗 讗转讬, she knew that he always comes here, soon he's coming, soon he's coming. 诇讗 讗转讬, but he didn't come. 讞诇砖 讚注转讛, so she felt very bad. 讗讞讬转 讚诪注转讗 诪注讬谞讛, she dropped a tear from the eye, she was crying. 讛讜讛 讬转讬讘 讘讗讬讙专讗, and he was sitting on the roof, Her husband? Yeah. On the roof? On the roof, oh. 讗驻讞讬转 讗讬讙专讗 诪转讜转讬讛, the roof collapsed under him, 讜谞讞 谞驻砖讬讛, and he died. Because she was 诪拽驻讬讚, and he caused her to cry, Right. there was a 拽驻讬讚讗, and this is what happened to him. Don't make your wife cry. Don't make your wife cry? It says clearly, don't do that. Doing, taking making your wife cry and you get so punished, and it's such a bad thing, at the same time, you can stay away for two years? It doesn't like I mean they don't They don't jibe, if you will. But she she should know that. She will know it. But when you're telling her, you're making her think that you're coming, She expects you. He had a he had a rabbi saying it was okay, so therefore she knew the halachah when he went away that he she didn't have to give permission, so therefore she had no reason to cry. Right, therefore she had no reason to cry, but she expected him... Exactly! Exactly! Exactly! Didn't hear. No, but it's exactly what you said before. 注讜谞讛 砖诇 转诇诪讬讚 讞讻诪讬诐 讗讬诪转? The Gemara, when is the onah of 转诇诪讬讚讬 讞讻诪讬诐, which time?

Onah Timing for Torah Scholars on Friday Night

讗诪专 专讘 讬讛讜讚讛 讗诪专 砖诪讜讗诇: 诪注专讘 砖讘转 诇注专讘 砖讘转. Friday night, every Friday night. That's if you're a 诪拽讜讘诇. Ah? 诪拽讜讘诇. That's us. But this, are these all 诪拽讜讘诇讬诐? I guess so. This is the the 诪拽讜专 for Friday night? Yeah. And the Gemara quotes a pasuk. Yeah, it is. 讗砖专 驻专讬讜 讬转谉 讘注转讜, it says you should give your fruit in its proper time. What does that mean? 讗诪专 专讘 讬讛讜讚讛, 讜讗讬转讬诪讗, some say 专讘 讛讜谞讗, 讜讗讬转讬诪讗, some say 专讘 谞讞诪谉, 讝讛, that refers to 讛诪砖诪砖 诪讬讟转讜 诪注专讘 砖讘转 诇注专讘 砖讘转. The right time is is Friday night, and that's when she would conceive. So that's putting in, giving your fruit at the right time. Why say 诪注专讘 砖讘转 诇注专讘 砖讘转? From Friday to Friday, from Friday, that's what he's saying. It's not Erev Shabbat, it's Shabbat. Friday night. Erev Shabbat is night. That's not Erev Shabbat. The night of Erev Shabbat, after Erev Shabbat. 讝讗讙讟 讚讬 Gemara 讜讜讬讬讟注专: 讬讛讜讚讛 讘专讬讛 讚专讘讬 讞讬讬讗, 讬讛讜讚讛 the son of 专讘讬 讞讬讬讗, 讞转谞讬讛 讚专讘讬 讬谞讗讬 讛讜讛. He was the son-in-law of 专讘讬 讬谞讗讬. 讗讝诇 讜讬转讬讘 讘讘讬 专讘. He

Rabbi Yanai's Son-in-Law and the Pillar of Fire

went to the yeshivah. 讜讻诇 讘讬 砖诪砖讬 讛讜讛 讗转讬 诇讘讬转讬讛. Every Friday, Friday for Shabbat, he would come home. 讻讬 讛讜讛 讗转讬, when he would come, 讛讜讛 讞讝讬 拽诪讬讛 注诪讜讚讗 讚谞讜专讗. There was 专讘讬 讬谞讗讬, his father-in-law, would see a pillar of fire coming in front of him. That's how holy he was. 讬讜诪讗 讞讚, what happened, one Friday, 诪砖讻转讜 砖诪注转讗, got involved in learning. 讻讬讜谉 讚诇讗 讞讝讬, so 专讘讬 讬谞讗讬 did not see the pillar of fire, so he understood he's not coming. And he wondered, why is he not coming? 讛讜讛 住讬诪谞讗 to him 讚诇讗 讞讝讗 讛讛讜讗 住讬诪谞讗, he didn't see this 住讬诪谉. 讗诪专 诇讛讜 专讘讬 讬谞讗讬, so 专讘讬 讬谞讗讬 said: You know what I think happened? He must have died, otherwise he would come. 讻驻讜 诪讟转讜! An 讗讘诇, nowadays we don't do it, but an 讗讘诇 had to turn over his bed. So he said, he meant to tell them, you've become 讗讘诇讬诐 now, your your husband must have died, so turn your beds over. 讻砖诇诪讜讚讛 讛讜讗 讚拽讬讬诐, had he been alive, 诇讗 讛讜讛 诪讘讟诇 注讜谞转讬讛. He wouldn't have been 诪讘讟诇 his time. He would have certainly come home. But it's not true, he just got stuck learning. Right. 讛讜讛 讻砖讙讙讛 砖讬讜爪讗 诪诇驻谞讬 讛砖诇讬讟. It turned out like a mistake it says if a ruler, if a king makes a mistake and says this guy has to die even though it was a mistake, you got to do it. 讜谞讞 谞驻砖讬讛, and he died. When Rabbi Yanai said He didn't die, but because he said He said, now he died. Shouldn't he be more careful? Shouldn't he be more careful? He knows the power of his words. They say not only that, they say that if a Beit Din gives a heter to an 注讙讜谞讛 注诇 驻讬 讛诇讻讛, didn't come, and they 驻住拽谉 注诇 驻讬 讚讬谉 that we could assume that he died, so they say even if he didn't die, he will die. Wow. Because if the Beit Din 驻住拽谞住, he will die. This is also a lesson, I mean there's clearly there's a secondary lesson to be learned here. Don't do something that will cause Yeah, that's it, that's the first lesson! Not a second, that's the first lesson here! That he shouldn't have done it, he should have come just like before! Yeah, he shouldn't have done it. Right, his neighbor. Before, he died! prophesying his own What? Which way? Yeah. Yeah. No, sometimes it happens. It does happen sometimes. 爪讚讬拽 讙讜讝专 讛拽讚讜砖 讘专讜讱 讛讜讗 诪拽讬诐, a tzadik says. So, like you always say, that's that's the way it is, whether or not So, does it change nature in some fashion? It's done, right? Yeah. 讝讗讙讟 讚讬 Gemara 讜讜讬讬讟注专:

Yichus Conflict in Rabbi Chiya Marriage Proposal

专讘讬 讗讬注住拽 诇讬讛 诇讘专讬讛 讘讬 专讘讬 讞讬讬讗. Rabbi married off his son to Rabbi Chiya's daughter. 讻讬 诪讟讗 诇诪讻转讘 讻转讜讘讛, when it came to write the 讻转讜讘讛, 谞讞 谞驻砖讛 讚讗讬住转讗, so the kallah died. He was a chatan, getting going to get married to the daughter of Rabbi Chiya, she died. 讗诪专 专讘讬, so Rabbi said: 讞住 讜砖诇讜诐, 驻住讜诇讗 讗讬讻讗. There's some pasul here, there's something in the families that don't match, someplace there's a pasul, that's why the Eibershter didn't want. That's why she died? Yeah. In order not to marry No, no. 讬转讬讘讜, they sat down, 讜注讬讬谞讜 讘诪砖驻讞讜转. So they figured they went down to the yichus to see. 专讘讬 讗转讬, 专讘讬 came they figured out from Shefatyah ben Avital. Shefatyah ben Avital was the son of David, from David's wife called Avital. 专讘讬 讞讬讬讗 讗转讬 诪砖诪注讬 讗讞讬 讚讜讚. Rabbi Chiya comes from Shimi, the brother of David. Yeah. So, it comes out that who was a bigger yichus? Cousins. Rabbi. Rabbi came from David's family, from one of the children of David. And and Rabbi Chiya didn't come from David's family, he came from David's brother's family, so he's a less lesser yichus. 讗讝讬诇. So good, so the Wait, his brother's Why his brother? Why what? Who is Avital? No, Avital was David's was David's daughter-in-law. Shefatya was David's son, and he was, and and and and Avital was David's wife, I mean. One of the wives of David. One of them was Chagit was the mother of Adoniyahu, Bat Sheva, the mother of Shlomo, Avital was the mother of Shefatya. Okay. Oh, I see. So, so he was a bigger yichsan and the Eibershter didn't want that they should marry, he should have married off. This is a very That's a pasul? That's But he used the 诇砖讜谉 驻住讜诇讗. Everything is 诇驻讬 注专讱. 诇驻讬 注专讱, the big yichus of from David HaMelech's house, it's called a 驻住讜诇讗. So the yichus whatever they call it has to match? Even for their own children? They are these people are judged in a different way than we are judged. On a different level. Different cheshbonot these people, how they should what they should do. Like more is demanded of the tzadikim than the than the than the simpler. Even even with who they marry? Yeah, even with who they marry, yeah. 讗讝讬诇, he went, 注住拽 诇讬讛. took her away to the 讘讬转 讚讬谉 砖诇 诪注诇讛. Obviously this shiduch wasn't made, and that's why she died, shouldn't do it. Yeah, that's why she died.

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